Schein of FoxSports's Take On Atogwe...Mega Atogwe Speculation Thread *Merge*

[The Quest for Six]

Who made you so annoying?

Jerry said we have no interest.

The fact about Jerry is that you know he's lying when his lips are moving....The man loves to hear himself talk, and when he does, he contradicts himself with double talk every other sentence. I never believe one word that comes out of his mouth.....

 

[Doomsday101]

The fact about Jerry is that you know he's lying when his lips are moving....The man loves to hear himself talk, and when he does, he contradicts himself with double talk every other sentence. I never believe one word that comes out of his mouth.....

Jerry is no different than any other GM or owner when it comes to matters like this. Hell Vikes had claimed back in Feb of last year of not having an interest in Brett Favre

Vikings owner Zygi Wilf said he would not have any interest in Brett Favre if he was released by the Jets and available. "I would have been interested 15 years ago," Wilf said. "No, I'm not interested. No way. I think he's done well, he retired, it's good. He's a great guy. I'm just happy that we don't have to keep on facing him."


This idea that Jerry lies or double talks is a joke he does the same things his counter parts do which is never lay all your cards on the table.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

The fact about Jerry is that you know he's lying when his lips are moving

 

[Stash]

Rams are down now but who is to say they remain that way? They are bringing in good young talent much like we did just a few seasons back.

I think they'll stay that way for the next 2-3 years at least.

I think the cupboard is that bare.

By that time, the one great player they do have - Steven Jackson - will be broken down and they'll need to replace him.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think they'll stay that way for the next 2-3 years at least.

I think the cupboard is that bare.

By that time, the one great player they do have - Steven Jackson - will be broken down and they'll need to replace him.

Their cupboard is not all that bare they have brought in some good lineman in the draft over the last 2 years added a QB and have some pretty good but young talent on defense.

 

[Stash]

Their cupboard is not all that bare they have brought in some good lineman in the draft over the last 2 years added a QB and have some pretty good but young talent on defense.

Opinions vary I guess.

The jury is still out on the linemen they've drafted and Bradford hasn't thrown a single pass yet, not to mention who exactly will he be throwing to? Danny Amendola?

And I don't see the talent on defense either. Who's rushing the passer? Chris Long?

I think there are few teams as void of talent as the St Louis Rams.

 

[superpunk]

Where is my Atogwe twitter updates?

 

[Doomsday101]

Opinions vary I guess.

The jury is still out on the linemen they've drafted and Bradford hasn't thrown a single pass yet, not to mention who exactly will he be throwing to? Danny Amendola?

And I don't see the talent on defense either. Who's rushing the passer? Chris Long?

I think there are few teams as void of talent as the St Louis Rams.

Many of these guys are young so while I'm not predicting over night success I think it may take a couple of years before they are at least contending for a playoff spot.

However just as it was with the Cowboys players were not looking to leave here when things were not looking good often guys want to be part of getting a team back to respectablity. I think the ideal that Atogwe does not want to play for the Rams is a bit narrow sighted.

Of course guys who know they have 1 or 2 years left like Gonzalez as much as he liked playing for KC he wanted that last chance to play for a contender.

 

[Stash]

Many of these guys are young so while I'm not predicting over night success I think it may take a couple of years before they are at least contending for a playoff spot.

However just as it was with the Cowboys players were not looking to leave here when things were not looking good often guys want to be part of getting a team back to respectablity. I think the ideal that Atogwe does not want to play for the Rams is a bit narrow sighted.

Of course guys who know they have 1 or 2 years left like Gonzalez as much as he liked playing for KC he wanted that last chance to play for a contender.

I think a bad team has to overpay. If it were me, I'd take comparable but less money from a good team with a higher profile and a chance of winning. You can make up the difference with merchandise and endorsements and you may actually win a championship in the process.

I think that if he ends up staying in St Louis it means that they were offering substantially more money than anyone else and that was Atogwe's biggest motivation, getting paid.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think a bad team has to overpay. If it were me, I'd take comparable but less money from a good team with a higher profile and a chance of winning. You can make up the difference with merchandise and endorsements and you may actually win a championship in the process.

I think that if he ends up staying in St Louis it means that they were offering substantially more money than anyone else and that was Atogwe's biggest motivation, getting paid.

Well considering no one is talking to him but the Rams I think they will get a contract hammered out that both sides can live with. I would think with the Cowboys looking at several contracts that need to be taken care of next season and with Miles and Sensabaugh looking for long term deals this year that the Cowboys are not going to be in the market for a high priced FA. Even back in Feb Jerry talked of not being overly active in FA.

 

[jterrell]

I think a bad team has to overpay. If it were me, I'd take comparable but less money from a good team with a higher profile and a chance of winning. You can make up the difference with merchandise and endorsements and you may actually win a championship in the process.

I think that if he ends up staying in St Louis it means that they were offering substantially more money than anyone else and that was Atogwe's biggest motivation, getting paid.

Not exactly.

Generally guys prefer staying where they are because it actually causes disruptions and costs money to move to a new team and city.

Once they are determined to leave than winning factors in but generally to acquire another team's free agent you simply have to overpay. Guy's leave for more money and generally stay for less.

Atogwe's biggest motivation is without fail, getting paid. That has been clear since day 1. Reports of his 7 mil per asking price and his continued availability speak to that.

If he did want to take a short-term deal for one year and 5 mil would Jerry sign him? I don't know. I wouldn't. I have no desire to rent a guy for one year that just stops progress of guys we actually have under contract long term.

Atogwe is a good, but not more than that, player who is coming off of major injury and wants to be paid like a Pro Bowler. It's been clear that the Rams like him at least as much as anyone else and they are the only team who has continued to negotiate with him throughout.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

If a team ever offered me this deal I would call up the opposing QB before every game and tell him if we get to garbage time and the game is already decided, toss one my way and you get 100k. :laugh2:

I'd have about 30 INTs before the season was over

 

[MWILL]

How is it that keeping a guy from a tiny college and developing him for 4 years is luck. The Cowboys kept Austin all along because they thought he had the potential to be a good NFL WR. Yes, Roy getting hurt helped move things along, but the team had Austin there and ready to step in. That wasn't luck, that was player development.

There are plenty of good players that come from small schools, I have no problem with that.

The reason why I said it was luck cause nobody, I mean nobody, not even the Cowboys staff saw that Miles was gonna have this type of season. And if they did....why the small contract?

 

[MWILL]

Who made you so annoying?

Jerry said we have no interest.

That's the problem "Jerry said".

I learned my lesson years ago.

 

[Stautner]

There are plenty of good players that come from small schools, I have no problem with that.

The reason why I said it was luck cause nobody, I mean nobody, not even the Cowboys staff saw that Miles was gonna have this type of season. And if they did....why the small contract?

Nobody ever sees it the first time a player breaks out like Austin did, and especially if it's a project player the way Austin was. They just see the potential for it, and hope that when the time comes it happens. The team has said all along that they felt Austin had the physical traits to become a high quality NFL receiver, but being from a small school it was going to take time to develop.

As for the contract, why would they give him a big contract before he proves he is worthy of it? They get burned enough on big contracts with players who are more proven than Austin was, so why take the risk on an unproven guy? I juast hope they find a way to get Austin signed to a longer term deal now.

 

[AbeBeta]

the last thing you want is players obsessed with individual stats.

a good incentive is making the probowl or something like that as it speaks to a high quality performance overall.

 

[Stash]

Well considering no one is talking to him but the Rams I think they will get a contract hammered out that both sides can live with.

I think his asking price has the rest of the league shaking their heads. If he's asking for $7 million, he'll be waiting a loooooong time.

I would think with the Cowboys looking at several contracts that need to be taken care of next season and with Miles and Sensabaugh looking for long term deals this year that the Cowboys are not going to be in the market for a high priced FA. Even back in Feb Jerry talked of not being overly active in FA.

Given the money that they've freed up with the releases of Adams and Hamlin, they should be in fine shape for this season and beyond.

I'm hopeful that Roy Williams has a good season, but I'm not sure anything short of a Pro Bowl year will keep him around at his current salary. If you released him, you could give Austin what Roy was due to make.

Hamlin's projected salary could be used for signing a guy like Atogwe for this year and after the season, you could decide between he and Sensabaugh on who to keep long-term.

I think the team will be looking to rid itself of a few more big-money deals in the next few seasons.

If Free plays well, he'll get the money Adams would have, if he doesn't, he won't.

And I think they'll be looking intently at the money they're paying guys like Newman and Leonard Davis next year as well.

I see several young guys' salaries moving into slots currently or recently occupied by highly-compensated vets.

 

[evarc]

Who the hell said that Barber needs to be bumped off the #1? And what the heck does that have to do with Felix not getting any carries against Washington? Hello...McFly!
Wow! YOU really can't be this dumb!

Glenn has been gone for a while and Miles consistantly gets hurt (except last season) And you were believing that he was #2 material then. Please sell that BS to someone else. Miles wasn't playing with the 1st string during preseason games.

Blowouts: It's hard for a Defense to get stops when your offense goes 3 and out, turnover, 3 and out, turnover, miss FG, get to the redzone and not score. Do me a favor and watch the games for a change.

And if I was you. I'd watch who your calling dumb.

You are that dumb... lol watch the vikes game again dude... You have no idea what your talking about. You know nothing about the sport and are a complete tool.

 

[Stash]

Not exactly.

Generally guys prefer staying where they are because it actually causes disruptions and costs money to move to a new team and city.

Once they are determined to leave than winning factors in but generally to acquire another team's free agent you simply have to overpay. Guy's leave for more money and generally stay for less.

I disagree. I think guys are happy to play with a high-profile winner over an obscure loser if the money is comparable. I think a team's standing within the league plays a big role. And a team like St Louis is among the league's bottom-feeders. Players use teams like that to boost their asking price to get more money from good teams, ask Brian Westbrook.

Atogwe's biggest motivation is without fail, getting paid. That has been clear since day 1. Reports of his 7 mil per asking price and his continued availability speak to that.

I agree. I think he's simply looking to get paid and likely will take the money from whoever he can.

If he did want to take a short-term deal for one year and 5 mil would Jerry sign him? I don't know. I wouldn't. I have no desire to rent a guy for one year that just stops progress of guys we actually have under contract long term.

I don't think the guys we have have shown enough pedigree or promise to warrant not signing a proven vet.

Atogwe is a good, but not more than that, player who is coming off of major injury and wants to be paid like a Pro Bowler. It's been clear that the Rams like him at least as much as anyone else and they are the only team who has continued to negotiate with him throughout.

He's clearly better than any candidates this team has and has an ability that this secondary clearly lacks, the ability to force turnovers.

An acquisition like him would likely take this from a very good defense to a great one.

But unless his asking price and expectations drop considerably, the only team he'll be negotiating with is the Rams.

 

[MWILL]

Nobody ever sees it the first time a player breaks out like Austin did, and especially if it's a project player the way Austin was. They just see the potential for it, and hope that when the time comes it happens. The team has said all along that they felt Austin had the physical traits to become a high quality NFL receiver, but being from a small school it was going to take time to develop.

As for the contract, why would they give him a big contract before he proves he is worthy of it? They get burned enough on big contracts with players who are more proven than Austin was, so why take the risk on an unproven guy? I juast hope they find a way to get Austin signed to a longer term deal now.

I felt Austin would be a good player after the Green Bay game a year or two back. Miles lack of staying healthly was a problem to me before last season breakout year.

I agree with you about the contract. Dallas has been burned plenty of times. If they do find a way to sign Austin, let's hope it's during the season. Therfore, we can see if last season wasn't a fluke.