Schein of FoxSports's Take On Atogwe...Mega Atogwe Speculation Thread *Merge*

[SLATEmosphere]

Calling OJ "elite" is a laugh.

Before he got injured that would be a fair assumption.

Other than Ed Reed, what FS would you take next? Nick Collins? Pretty much a toss up.

 

[flashback]

I am not inalterably opposed to signing Atogwe but there is a downside. First, he is a strong safety so what happens with Sensabaugh? Move him to free so he is playing outside his natural position? Or play Atogwe at FS which is not his natural position?

Also, Sensabaugh is also looking for a big contract. What does it do to chemistry if we pay Atogwe big and keep Sensi as a RFA at a low price?

Finally, the Boys have been working hard to build great chemistry. JJ has seen that talent alone, without chemistry, can lead to missing the playoffs (2008) or an early exit (2007). One of the important features of building chemistry on this team is that players are being given the chance to win positions. Pay your dues and you get your chance. Like, Romo, Austin, Ratliff and othttp://cowboyszone.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=3426206hers. Bringing in Atogwe could be seen as a default on that expectation for Ball and Hamlin. If they had no talent that would be different, but the coaches, same ones who thought Austin had talent, think Ball and Hamlin have the ability to succeed. Along with the other issues, I think there is more risk to this move than just writing a big check.

Everything I've seen lists him as a Free Safety.

I'm not saying he isn't a good player. I'm saying the Cowboys are making a judgment that their resources will be better spent developing Ball, Hamlin and Owusu-Ansah.

Also, don't underestimate the value of rewarding a players hard work. I'm talking about Alan Ball. For the last 3 years, he's done everything the Cowboys asked of him and excelled on the field. His reward is a shot at the FS job. All of the other guys on the roster see this, and think, "if I work hard and listen to the coaches and execute in games, the team will take care of me, too."

Well, maybe that's a little over-simplistic. Obviously, guys like Crayton and Hurd are getting no such consideration. But the Cowboys feel like they've got young guys on the roster who are going to develop into starters.

Of course I would love to have Ball at CB this year, and bringing in Atogwe or the development of Hamlin or Owusu-Ansah would make that happen. But the Cowboys, and everyone else in the NFL, don't seem to think he's worth the price tag right now.

 

[MWILL]

I don't see it that way, especially with mah boy Romo driving the bus. You hold a team to less than 14-17 pts per game, and you'll do just fine. A team's best asset can often be its defense.

That Vikes game still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. After the 1st Qtr (when the offense was moving the ball well ). I felt we had no answer for what the Vikes "D" was doing.

Until Garrett does a better job he will be the reason Dallas can't win a SB.

 

[evarc]

Everything I've seen lists him as a Free Safety.

I'm not saying he isn't a good player. I'm saying the Cowboys are making a judgment that their resources will be better spent developing Ball, Hamlin and Owusu-Ansah.

Also, don't underestimate the value of rewarding a players hard work. I'm talking about Alan Ball. For the last 3 years, he's done everything the Cowboys asked of him and excelled on the field. His reward is a shot at the FS job. All of the other guys on the roster see this, and think, "if I work hard and listen to the coaches and execute in games, the team will take care of me, too."

Well, maybe that's a little over-simplistic. Obviously, guys like Crayton and Hurd are getting no such consideration. But the Cowboys feel like they've got young guys on the roster who are going to develop into starters.

Of course I would love to have Ball at CB this year, and bringing in Atogwe or the development of Hamlin or Owusu-Ansah would make that happen. But the Cowboys, and everyone else in the NFL, don't seem to think he's worth the price tag right now.

That Vikes game still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. After the 1st Qtr (when the offense was moving the ball well ). I felt we had no answer for what the Vikes "D" was doing.

Until Garrett does a better job he will be the reason Dallas can't win a SB.

Yawwwwwnnnn....

 

[MWILL]

Calling OJ "elite" is a laugh.

He's one of the best. Is that good enough for ya.

Thinking we are good at saftey,is a laugh.

 

[MWILL]

Yawwwwwnnnn....

Go take a nap

 

[evarc]

Go take a nap

Dude honestly your a joke. You have no intelligent reasoning for your comments just that you say something and everyone should listen and agree.
Why dont you tell me what exactly JG is doing that is holding the cowboys back? Is it that he hasnt used roy williams in and romo the right way? Even though roys best routs are romos worst throws and vice versa... Is it that he doesnt throw the ball or does he throw it to much?
Is he holding back younger talent from growing and becoming starters? What is it that he has done because I think he has done a pretty good job of hiding most of our players weaknesses while making their strengths shine. He has done a great job of bringing along young players like Tony, Miles, felix, choice and free to be the players they are today.
What is it that he does or doesnt do that holds this team back? Or are you just posting things so you sound like you know something? If thats the case then I guess the other trolls on the board forgot to tell you that JG was the goat last year not this year... This year our Oline is garbage. Get with the program man.

 

[juck]

Id grab this dude. He is a ballhawk.

 

[Rockytop6]

which basically means people are stupid....

finding one stat and holding it up as the gold standard for a safety is beyond silly.

atgowe has never been to a pro bowl, has never been all-pro and has never been presented in any overall metric as a top flight safety.

he does force fumbles and yet still doesn't get judged highly for overall run support by unbiased profootballfocus.

if our nfl scouts rated him as highly as the silly little fan we'd have already signed him.

I confess I don't know whether they should or shouldn't sign him, but I do know I want a SB win. It has been too long and if he can make the difference then I want him signed. I don't want JJ to overspend to do it. Maybe the young guys we have can do it. The problem is if their youth or inexperience winds up costing us one game it could mean the difference in getting a shot at the SB. That might be short sighted. I don't want to be short sighted but neither do I want us to miss a golden opportunity for the gold.

 

[sureletsrace]

Could Jerry say, "Hey bud. Now you lookie here. You're gettin' a salary of 2mil guaranteed this year. But, I'll give ya a million for each INT you get, with each INT return for a TD doubling it to two million. Make some plays, pal."

Kinda kidding/exaggerating here, but, are contracts ever setup like this? Pay for performance?

 

[MWILL]

Dude honestly your a joke. You have no intelligent reasoning for your comments just that you say something and everyone should listen and agree.
Why dont you tell me what exactly JG is doing that is holding the cowboys back? Is it that he hasnt used roy williams in and romo the right way? Even though roys best routs are romos worst throws and vice versa... Is it that he doesnt throw the ball or does he throw it to much?
Is he holding back younger talent from growing and becoming starters? What is it that he has done because I think he has done a pretty good job of hiding most of our players weaknesses while making their strengths shine. He has done a great job of bringing along young players like Tony, Miles, felix, choice and free to be the players they are today.
What is it that he does or doesnt do that holds this team back? Or are you just posting things so you sound like you know something? If thats the case then I guess the other trolls on the board forgot to tell you that JG was the goat last year not this year... This year our Oline is garbage. Get with the program man.

Is Garrett a family member of yours?

JG has a RB in Felix that did nothing but score TD's in every game til Dallas played Washington. HE HAD NO CARRIES! Great job Garrett!! Woo Hoo!

Miles! I can't believe you have Miles in your silly statement. Hello, Genius.....MILES WAS AN ACCIDENT!!!!! Dallas got lucky with Miles. If Roy didn't get hurt, Miles would have been on the bench!! Great Job Garrett for finding Miles for us. Woo Hooo! Thanks Garrett.

Miles was almost an GB Packer last offseason! That's proof that we have a bad OC/Assistant head coach. He can't put Cowboys players in the best position to succeed.

BTW, in the last two seasons how did Dallas end? Oh Yeah, We got stomped by Philly and We got stomped by the Vikes! With a combined score of 9pts! 9 *** points!!!! Great Job, Garrett how is the Bennett experiment going? Did any other GM's decide to make you an HC......NO!!!!!

Do me a favor and tell me Garrett will be the the Next HC in Dallas for I can have less respect for you. If this post makes you sleepy, I'll be happy to slam a book right in front of you to wake you up.

Night, night for now. :chainsaw:

 

[evarc]

which basically means people are stupid....

finding one stat and holding it up as the gold standard for a safety is beyond silly.

atgowe has never been to a pro bowl, has never been all-pro and has never been presented in any overall metric as a top flight safety.

he does force fumbles and yet still doesn't get judged highly for overall run support by unbiased profootballfocus.

if our nfl scouts rated him as highly as the silly little fan we'd have already signed him.

Really he isnt top flight?

2005 (Rookie) Season he played in 12 games, finishing the year with 11 tackles, one sacks, an interception, and a fumble recovery.
2006 season, he finished the campaign with 72 tackles and three interceptions and forced five fumbles.
2007 season, Atogwe had a team and NFC-high 8 interceptions along with 75 tackles and one touchdown and forced two fumbles.
2008 season he recorded 5 interceptions to lead the Rams once again. He also recorded 83 tackles and forced six fumbles.

Atogwes tape would suggest that he struggles with the run and even if this were true so does every safety on our team not named sensy. But the fact is that he played on a horrible D where the line struggled with the run. Our line would not allow the rusher to reach J nearly as much as the rams line did.
The fact is that the guy is a beast and going into the offseason I had him hire then rolle as a top fa even with the injuries.

I confess I don't know whether they should or shouldn't sign him, but I do know I want a SB win. It has been too long and if he can make the difference then I want him signed. I don't want JJ to overspend to do it. Maybe the young guys we have can do it. The problem is if their youth or inexperience winds up costing us one game it could mean the difference in getting a shot at the SB. That might be short sighted. I don't want to be short sighted but neither do I want us to miss a golden opportunity for the gold.

and you my friend are correct... He doesnt know what he is talking about is prolly the kinda guy who just watches his team and no other. He must be to say that atogwe only has good stats in one area. He is one of st.l top tacklers since his second year with the team. He did have to make tackles more then he should have but the dline should have to account for that. When a back made it to him he hit him and hit him hard as you can see by his caused fumble stats. Not only was this guy a turnover machine but he did it on a horrible team and he was always having to account for the backs because his line was not trust worthy enough to hold up for him. Could you imagine if we could just turn him lose and let him get after the ball knowing our line would take care of the backs!? WOW!
Not just the turnovers either but the extra second or two a QB would have to stand in the pocket would turn all those near sacks from last year into sure things this year.

 

[evarc]

Is Garrett a family member of yours?

JG has a RB in Felix that did nothing but score TD's in every game til Dallas played Washington. HE HAD NO CARRIES! Great job Garrett!! Woo Hoo!

Miles! I can't believe you have Miles in your silly statement. Hello, Genius.....MILES WAS AN ACCIDENT!!!!! Dallas got lucky with Miles. If Roy didn't get hurt, Miles would have been on the bench!! Great Job Garrett for finding Miles for us. Woo Hooo! Thanks Garrett.

Miles was almost an GB Packer last offseason! That's proof that we have a bad OC/Assistant head coach. He can't put Cowboys players in the best position to succeed.

BTW, in the last two seasons how did Dallas end? Oh Yeah, We got stomped by Philly and We got stomped by the Vikes! With a combined score of 9pts! 9 *** points!!!! Great Job, Garrett how is the Bennett experiment going? Did any other GM's decide to make you an HC......NO!!!!!

Do me a favor and tell me Garrett will be the the Next HC in Dallas for I can have less respect for you. If this post makes you sleepy, I'll be happy to slam a book right in front of you to wake you up.

Night, night for now. :chainsaw:

You really cant be this dumb... First of all when you have a guy like barber who is being paid #1 money you dont just bump him off the #1 for someone who cant stay healthy. You would destroy his confidence and when felix goes down what are you left with? Garrett is doing the right and smart thing by bringing these younger players along. Look at KO, He will be mentaly tough after playing on the st all season. You dont throw a guy to the wolves that does not know the entire playbook because then you have to run plays tailored to that player and it makes it easy for the D to catch on.
As far as miles being an accident... I seem to remember Jerry saying he could be the #2 since Glenn left but I could be wrong (I am not) He was never almost a packer. He wasnt going anywhere. Thats like saying Dez was almost a Raven.
So your gonna talk about the blowouts in philly and minny? How bout ya look at the defense that allowed those teams to put up those numbers? That didnt put the offense in a position to win by not making sacks and turnovers... So the defense allowing those teams to put up big numbers and not causing turnovers and sacks had nothing to do with the loses.
Yes the oline can be faulted for last seasons offensive play and JG fixed that problem in the offseason.
Like I said once again nothing that comes out of you is intelligent or factual. Just a bunch of garbage rambling that makes no sense to a football fan with half a brain.

 

[dewby]

It would be nice if it worked like that. It's a shame that everything has to be so politically correct nowadays that people would actually get in trouble if they ever conjured something up like this.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yeah, it's called playing incentives. Kind of exorbitant, don't you think?

 

[67CowboysFan]

Yeah, it's called playing incentives. Kind of exorbitant, don't you think?

He should play for $0 base salary with incentives like that.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He should play for $0 base salary with incentives like that.

:laugh2:no kidding.

 

[pupulehaole]

i think the longer he doesnt have a team the lower his asking price will be which is good for us so far.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=nfl&id=3283

Cowboys seem to have no interest at the time.

 

[Jon88]

I don't.