Scot McCloughan becoming Commanders GM

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This is what the Commanders need, and have needed since 1999. A bona-fide personnel guru:


Confirmed by @nflnetwork : Scot McCloughan will be Commanders next GM. Sounds like Allen will retain his role as team president.

I haven't been here much--because lets be honest, what am I going to say when you've won 7 games over two years? Just agree, and probably laugh, at the swipes and jokes?

But this could be it. After all the "is this it? is this it? No wait...THIS is it" moments over the last decade and a half, it appears the Commanders are FINALLY doing what is necessary: a legitimate personnel/scouting-based GM.

And, let me be clear, this is NOT a quick fix move. It will take years. I am fine waiting 3-4 years to build a roster, to build a team. Hell I've waited 5 times that for nothing!
 
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I thought Skins fans were done with the team as long as Snyder was the owner?

I thought Bruce Allen was supposed to be a 'real GM?'




YR
 
This is what the Commanders need, and have needed since 1999. A bona-fide personnel guru:





I haven't been here much--because lets be honest, what am I going to say when you've won 7 games over two years? Just agree, and probably laugh, at the swipes and jokes?

But this could be it. After all the "is this it? is this it? No wait...THIS is it" moments over the last decade and a half, it appears the Commanders are FINALLY doing what is necessary: a legitimate personnel/scouting-based GM.

And, let me be clear, this is NOT a quick fix move. It will take years. I am fine waiting 3-4 years to build a roster, to build a team. Hell I've waited 5 times that for nothing!
Good luck with that!

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I thought Skins fans were done with the team as long as Snyder was the owner?

I thought Bruce Allen was supposed to be a 'real GM?'




YR

Yeah--Bruce was a real GM, in the way that he wasn't Cerrato, but McCloughan is legit. Look up his record--he is personnel and scouting based. Now, none of us would be surprised if they completely ****ed this all up, this is the Commanders we are talking about, but he is on par with Ozzie Newsome, he was John Schnieder's right-hand man in Seattle. He lined up the excellent drafts under Baalke in SF.

Just heard on the radio, the deal is not done just yet. They are finalizing the details. However, it's 99% done and McCloughan will have total control over personnel. Now, of course, this comes with the caveat that Snyder and et al gets the hell out of the way and lets him do his job.
 
I am in the "wait and see" camp in terms of results.

But finally a move that invests in the FO, which is the one of many places Snyder has been cheap on.

The move will be judged on how much control Snyder gives Scot and if he has the power to make player selections and his whoever he wants for the scouting department.

If Dan Snyder has finally figured out that the way to win in the NFL is to invest in scouting and drafting and hired one of the best and brightest to do it, there might be a chance, or else we will continue to be in our hellish existence with him as owner
 
I am in the "wait and see" camp in terms of results.

But finally a move that invests in the FO, which is the one of many places Snyder has been cheap on.

You and me both--like I said, this is the Commanders we are talking about--but, at this time, this is the absolute right move.
 
Yeah--Bruce was a real GM, in the way that he wasn't Cerrato, but McCloughan is legit. Look up his record--he is personnel and scouting based. Now, none of us would be surprised if they completely ****ed this all up, this is the Commanders we are talking about, but he is on par with Ozzie Newsome, he was John Schnieder's right-hand man in Seattle. He lined up the excellent drafts under Baalke in SF.

Just heard on the radio, the deal is not done just yet. They are finalizing the details. However, it's 99% done and McCloughan will have total control over personnel. Now, of course, this comes with the caveat that Snyder and et al gets the hell out of the way and lets him do his job.

I have zero concern about McCloughan.

As I have debated here many times with regards to the Cowboys, I believe that the GM position is the most overrated position in all of football. It's not unimportant, but it is vastly overrated. It's really about the coaching, starting with the head coach and then the assistants.

The Skins are a good example with Bobby Beatherd. He was the boy genius of the NFL and then went to San Diego. He turned San Diego into a winner, then they got rid of Bobby Ross and they became a doormat of the NFL. Did Beatherd lose his 'eye for talent' or were Kevin Gilbride and Mike Riley a massive step down from Ross as a head coach?

Speaking of San Diego (and the Skins)...they finally got resurrected when Marty Schottenheimer became the HC. This was also the same time that AJ Smith became the GM for the Chargers. Then they fire Schotteheimer after going 14-2 and hired Norv. Eventually they became a terrible team again under Norv. Did Smith lose his evaluation skills or was Schottenheimer a far better coach than Norv?

Speaking of Marty, he was the HC for the Chiefs with GM Carl Peterson. Marty turned the Chiefs into winners until he stepped down and Gunther Cunningham became the HC and turned them into losers. Then Dick Vermeil took over, turned them into winners with a great offense and a weak defense (common in Vermeil's teams). Then Herm Edwards took over and they went 6-26 in Herm's last 2 seasons. Did Peterson have an 'eye for talent' during the great years and lost that 'eye for talent' in the lean years? Did he suddenly become an offensive personnel wizard when Vermeil became the coach? Or was it that Schottenheimer and Vermeil were far superior coaches and Vermeil's teams had a tendency to be very good on offense and struggle on defense whether he was in Philadelphia, St. Louis or Kansas City?

Speaking of the Chiefs, they later hired the head of personnel in New England in Scott Pioli. We all know the record that the Patriots have had over the years. Pioli was supposed to turn the AFC West on its ear. Except they went 23-41 under Pioli because his coaches were Todd Haley and Romeo Crennel. Eventually Andy Reid took over without Pioli and they have gone 20-12 in two seasons.

The concern will start when the Skins actually hire a quality coach and don't do anything to screw it up like throwing away draft picks in favor of FA's or signing older FA's to long term deals.

The problem with Dallas over the years hasn't been Jerry Jones' inability to find talent. We've brought in enough talent. But, the issue has been subpar coaching and then panicking to make up for that subpar coaching by throwing away picks to fill needs and desperately hanging onto veteran players who then get injured.

It's the same thing with Skins fans every year...it's they *now* have found the secret piece to the puzzle. And forget about them being wrong all of those times before when they told you until they were blue in the face that they were right...you should believe them *now* because 'things are different!' Just like Bruce Allen was supposed to be a 'real GM.'

I'll be concerned when the Skins find a good HC and a good young, franchise QB. Until then, they'll be the same ole laughingstock of the NFC East.









YR
 
I have zero concern about McCloughan.

As I have debated here many times with regards to the Cowboys, I believe that the GM position is the most overrated position in all of football. It's not unimportant, but it is vastly overrated. It's really about the coaching, starting with the head coach and then the assistants.

The Skins are a good example with Bobby Beatherd. He was the boy genius of the NFL and then went to San Diego. He turned San Diego into a winner, then they got rid of Bobby Ross and they became a doormat of the NFL. Did Beatherd lose his 'eye for talent' or were Kevin Gilbride and Mike Riley a massive step down from Ross as a head coach?


YR

This is a players league, and in particular find cheap players in the draft league and have 30 guys on your team under their first contract league.

If you can't find players (which the Commanders never can besides a guy here and there) you are screwed because of how much you rely on FA and thusly have no depth.

This is a guy who pretty much put together the teams on the field in the NFC title game last year. If all reports are true and IF he has the appropriate power, Snyder is finally understanding that you need guys who can pick good players to have any chance.

Did Jimmy Johnson suddenly forget how to coach in Miami? Parcells in Dallas? Gibbs in Washington 2.0?

Thankfully this isn't a "win in 2015 move"

This is a "have a good organization in 2017" move
 
I have zero concern about McCloughan.

As I have debated here many times with regards to the Cowboys, I believe that the GM position is the most overrated position in all of football. It's not unimportant, but it is vastly overrated. It's really about the coaching, starting with the head coach and then the assistants.

[GM examples]

The concern will start when the Skins actually hire a quality coach and don't do anything to screw it up like throwing away draft picks in favor of FA's or signing older FA's to long term deals.

The problem with Dallas over the years hasn't been Jerry Jones' inability to find talent. We've brought in enough talent. But, the issue has been subpar coaching and then panicking to make up for that subpar coaching by throwing away picks to fill needs and desperately hanging onto veteran players who then get injured.

It's the same thing with Skins fans every year...it's they *now* have found the secret piece to the puzzle. And forget about them being wrong all of those times before when they told you until they were blue in the face that they were right...you should believe them *now* because 'things are different!' Just like Bruce Allen was supposed to be a 'real GM.'

I'll be concerned when the Skins find a good HC and a good young, franchise QB. Until then, they'll be the same ole laughingstock of the NFC East.









YR

All skepticism is entirely warranted--this team has done next-to-nothing right in 15 years. As a point of reference--in the last 20 years, the Commanders have had three times as many double-digit loss seasons as Pittsburgh had in 40.

The front office is where is starts. You have to have a good front office in this league. Yes, you need a good coach--but you need good scouts and GM to identify good players. You mentioned Scot Pioli--with Andy Reid coming in and suddenly they're good. You really believe Pioli had nothing to do with that? Justin Houson, for example, was drafted in the 3rd round in 2011, Pioli left in 2012, and from what I understand, it was personality based rather than personnel based. Pioli, and that FO laid the ground work. The Cowboys didn't get over the hump until they stopped trading for people like Roy Williams, and started drafting people like Fredrick and Martin, and Murray stayed healthy. Did Garrett just suddenly become a great coach? You mentioned all the GMs that struggle to find talent in other places--but there is a longer list of coaches who have success with one team, only to struggle other places. You really think Pete Carroll is that good of a coach?

We'll see what happens, but, there is no comparison between Allen and McCloughan. You can keep saying that Allen was supposed to be a "real GM," but: 1. After 9 years of Cerrato, ANYONE is a real GM and 2. He had Shanahan here, as well, who had final say over the roster. 3. Allen's background is in contracts and cap, not personnel. McCloughan grew up in Green Bay under Ron Wolf, and has built two Super Bowl contenders. Will he succeed here? Who knows. Succeess in this organization has been the Great White Buffalo. But this is the type of move we haven't had here since Gibbs left the 1st time.
 
I think it's a good get for Washington, but it certainly begs the question of what exactly they're paying Bruce Allen to do?

If McCloughan is fully past his substance issues, he'll be a fine addition (and one that I had hoped we could somehow incorporate in Dallas).

But with Gruden as head coach and RGIII still there, I don't see any type of quick fix happening.
 
I think it's a good get for Washington, but it certainly begs the question of what exactly they're paying Bruce Allen to do?

If McCloughan is fully past his substance issues, he'll be a fine addition (and one that I had hoped we could somehow incorporate in Dallas).

But with Gruden as head coach and RGIII still there, I don't see any type of quick fix happening.

This isn't a quick fix. This, as SHF posted, is a have a good organization by 2017. All of the top teams in this league: Baltimore, Green Bay, New England, Seattle, all have stable, competent, personnel-based Front Offices. We have not had that in 20+ years.

Will it work? Who knows. If you're trying to not drink watching the Commanders and working for Dan Snyder might not be the best move. This could very well, blow up in our faces. But this is the type of move that the Commanders sorely need.
 
Scot McCloughan is the guy that had a major drinking problem and got burnt out? If so hope he is in a better position in his life before stepping back into the NFL.
 
This isn't a quick fix. This, as SHF posted, is a have a good organization by 2017. All of the top teams in this league: Baltimore, Green Bay, New England, Seattle, all have stable, competent, personnel-based Front Offices. We have not had that in 20+ years.

I think 2017 is overly optimistic, especially if they keep either Gruden or Griffin around. The longer they keep going down that road, the longer it will be until they see improvement.

Will it work? Who knows. If you're trying to not drink watching the Commanders and working for Dan Snyder might not be the best move. This could very well, blow up in our faces. But this is the type of move that the Commanders sorely need.

Again, if he's past his previous demons (which look to have been very strong), he's an excellent scouting guy and a great 'get'.

But, if they're making this move, I'd finish it and send Bruce Allen (who has brought nothing) packing too.
 
I won't rag on the move.

I don't know if it will help them or not but at least it makes sense for the team to try and better itself in talent evaluation and acquisition.
Maybe they will have learned their lesson about giving away so many picks over the years and with the the RGIII trade. Maybe they will turn things round with this guys help. Not saying it will or will not.

However I imagine that Commanders fans need any kind of hope to cling on to at this point just as cowboys fans have needed over the lean years.

Now...don't get me wrong...I hope it fails big time as I don't like the skins...but I can understand them being hopeful and I can understand that it is a move that is being made in order to try and change things for the better with that team. They gotta try something because the current formula is not working.
 
Evan Silva ‏@evansilva 1m1 minute ago
No secret Scot McCloughan is one of the very best football evaluators. Ron Wolf disciple, analytics background. #Commanders got a good one.

The guy values the draft big time as well which is something the Commanders haven't ever.

05 - 1st overall pick
06 - 6th and 22nd overall picks
07 - 11th and 28th overall picks
08 - 29th overall pick
09 - 10th overall pick
10 - 11th and 17th overall picks

Thats 9 1st rounders in 6 seasons.

the Commanders have had 9 1st rounders in the past 13 seasons.
 
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawaka...nolan-singletary-crabtree-smith-and-barbieri/

If your team is relatively devoid of talent, without significant depth, then you draft BPA throughout and try to build up that talent base.

Once you have a solid talent base, you start looking at guys you want to draft and asking "Where do they fit on this team right now" and taking that into consideration.

Which I think is a good method of going with this. Build talent, and once you have talent build depth that can develop behind that talent to step up in the future.

This also takes YEARS to see results. If he goes with this approach I expect the Commanders to be in last place again in 2015/2016. The talent is that bad right now
 
This really isn't about a quick fix.

In all honesty, I don't think we make the playoffs again until 2020

I think the sooner you move on from Gruden and Griffin, the sooner that happens.

What say you?
 
I think the sooner you move on from Gruden and Griffin, the sooner that happens.

What say you?

Even then, the talent level is so bad, this is going to take several years

Right now I have 6 legit NFL players on this roster- Trent Williams, Desean Jackson, Alfred Morris, Ryan Kerrigan, Kennan Robinson, Baushad Breeland. Maybe Jordan Reed.

After that its garbage. Need to find 45 more guys who are NFL talent
 
Scot McCloughan is the guy that had a major drinking problem and got burnt out? If so hope he is in a better position in his life before stepping back into the NFL.

yes that is him.

he still drinks too. He just thinks so long as he avoids the hard stuff, he will be fine.

I don't give him long before his next break.
 

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