Scott Linehan is looking to complete a trifecta at RB

JoeBoBBY

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Dmac brings very little to the table that 40 other backs in the NFL couldnt bring. And without the oft injured tag.

True;

But I just like him. I like what he brought last year....the injuries are very concerning....but I think, despite his lofty draft position and his name, he is a lunch-pale kind of guy, and good for the locker room.....
 

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He's already hurt though...

Sorry, but I'm not relying on a 29 year old injury prone back that didn't look good in rotation last year at all. Get a runner behind Zeke (Morris) and a solid receiver (Dunbar), I don't want to be carrying 4 RBs going into the regular season.

Yeah, he looked terrible in rotation. I mean, he only finished 3rd in the league in the NFL in YPC of backs that had 200+ carries.

Cake. On yo face
 

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True;

But I just like him. I like what he brought last year....the injuries are very concerning....but I think, despite his lofty draft position and his name, he is a lunch-pale kind of guy, and good for the locker room.....

I can agree on lunch pail good for the locker room kinda guy.
 

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Yeah, he looked terrible in rotation. I mean, he only finished 3rd in the league in the NFL in YPC of backs that had 200+ carries.

Cake. On yo face

He wasn't in rotation for 11 games of the season, I'm talking when Randle was here. Not after the bye week. He simply does not look good as a change of pace back.

Again, he didn't look good behind Murray in Oakland and he didn't look good behind Randle. Honestly, tell me, what is he actually going to bring to the change of pace role?
 

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First off, it's NOT just about him not staying healthy. It's due to him not being productive in a change of pace role. He looked like trash in Oakland behind Murray and looked mediocre behind Randle. It seems he needs a workload to really get going, and even then, he was incredibly inconsistent. As for his injuries, he's been injured for most of his career, and found a way to get injured off the field. He's one year older and he has a pile of injuries that will start to wear him down, he's also coming off a year where he had some heavy workload in games.

And yeah, it matters if he doesn't stay healthy and we lose a scat back that was leading our team in receiving through 3 weeks last year. I prefer to have diverse weapons on offense, have two good runners in Zeke and Morris and two good receivers Zeke and Dunbar. The battle should be between Morris, McFadden and Jackson. Dunbar is a completely different back, so unless we change up and have no use for Dunbar in the playbook we draw up this summer, I'd like to keep around the guy that was going off on teams before his injury.

Dunbar leading our team in receiving the last year was a bad thing and a function of an offense that couldn't go downfield. Dunbar is one dimensional and can't stay healthy.

Also i'm done talking about what Dmac looked like in Oakland. You should be too. Dmac looked pretty good with a star on his helmet. Also define "looking like trash" behind Randle. He was getting like 6 carries a game. Impossible to draw any conclusions. Mcfadden is more valuable than dunbar and it isn't really close.
 

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1. because his 9 year career says different. The ONLY reason you are talking about the last 32 games is because it suits your agenda.

2. He is hurt already and may miss the first week.

3. He was injured at the beginning of last year and was used sparingly until Randle was let go. Its not like he started every game and got a lot of carries.

4. He is even older now

1) Well yes if a player stays healthy for 2 straight years. I'm not going to turn around and call them an injury risk. Just like how Tony wasn't an injury risk until he became one recently. You'd look like a fool if you said Romo isn't an injury risk when you look at his entire career. That isn't working something into an agenda that's common sense.

2) Not football related.

3) And he's going to get a ton of carries now?

4) Again, how big a workload do you think he's going to have?
 

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Zeke
Dmac
Morris
Dunbar

DMac is a great change of pace back for us. Look at his stats when we man blocked last year. He had 6.7 yds per carry. I think defenses will have trouble defending an offense which can do both things very well.

Morris will be the primary backup for Zeke when he needs a breather.

Dunbar is great for mismatches at the WR position. If he can come back from his injury i would love us to keep him.
 

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Always nice to discuss these things but it's premature to predict the 53 esp at RB where injuries are likely to occur. You don't really want to get rid of your RBs at this point unless it's a no brainer deal. McFadden played well and ran harder than I thought possible and that's with a team without a decent passing attack. I'd like to see what we have behind this line. Jackson is interesting but hardly a terribly remarkable player. He's not that fast, quick, or elusive and I've not seen him block or catch the ball much. He's unproven and while I don't daydream about McFadden or Morris running the ball they are decent NFL starters. And EE has zero NFL carries to date.

Let's wait and see.
 

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He wasn't in rotation for 11 games of the season, I'm talking when Randle was here. Not after the bye week. He simply does not look good as a change of pace back.

Again, he didn't look good behind Murray in Oakland and he didn't look good behind Randle. Honestly, tell me, what is he actually going to bring to the change of pace role?

Who actually has a "change of pace" back? One of the only guys who's actually a "change of pace" is Sproles. Otherwise it's just some guy that's fast and who sucks at pass protection and really doesn't make a difference anyway.

The OL didn't look very good the first quarter of the season either (when our rotation was 'bad'), are we going to say they suck now too?

He's not a change of pace guy. He's a guy who proved he can average over 4.5 yards a carry without a QB. He's also pretty good in pass protection. That's what he's going to bring.

I take the 3 best guys who can play in this league. Maybe 4.
 

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Who actually has a "change of pace" back? One of the only guys who's actually a "change of pace" is Sproles. Otherwise it's just some guy that's fast and who sucks at pass protection and really doesn't make a difference anyway.

The OL didn't look very good the first quarter of the season either (when our rotation was 'bad'), are we going to say they suck now too?

He's not a change of pace guy. He's a guy who proved he can average over 4.5 yards a carry without a QB. He's also pretty good in pass protection. That's what he's going to bring.

I take the 3 best guys who can play in this league. Maybe 4.

Agree with most but I see Dunbar as a scatback like Sproles. Change of pace is ok but Preston Pearson was a Change of Pace back. I see him for his skills which is elite speed, turn the corner, elusive, and for him add a good receiver out of the Z and SL and R (or whatever you call that number 4 receiver).
 

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Agree with most but I see Dunbar as a scatback like Sproles. Change of pace is ok but Preston Pearson was a Change of Pace back. I see him for his skills which is elite speed, turn the corner, elusive, and for him add a good receiver out of the Z and SL and R (or whatever you call that number 4 receiver).

I don't *not* see it. I like him. But, he can't stay healthy. I couldn't keep a guy who's a complete luxury especially with his injury history. Roster spots are just too valuable.
 

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I don't *not* see it. I like him. But, he can't stay healthy. I couldn't keep a guy who's a complete luxury especially with his injury history. Roster spots are just too valuable.

He's not stopping any progress so I'm ok with the FO keeping him even if he goes on PUP for 6 weeks or just can't play for a few weeks. If he doesn't progress well and I mean weekly progress reports from the rehab and docs then I'd cut him loose. Chances are no one will pick him up anyway although that's arguable.
 

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I want Zeke in on every passing down. If you want to put out Dunbar too then fine, our WR are pretty bad, but I want Zeke rotated only on running downs. 50-50 split there.

Protect and maximize that investment.
 

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I want Zeke in on every passing down. If you want to put out Dunbar too then fine, our WR are pretty bad, but I want Zeke rotated only on running downs. 50-50 split there.

Protect and maximize that investment.

There will be times when EE will be the best matchup out there or provide the best versatility for the next play call. Other times you may matchup with the defense better with a scatback. You take what the defense gives you.
 

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Who actually has a "change of pace" back? One of the only guys who's actually a "change of pace" is Sproles. Otherwise it's just some guy that's fast and who sucks at pass protection and really doesn't make a difference anyway.

The OL didn't look very good the first quarter of the season either (when our rotation was 'bad'), are we going to say they suck now too?

He's not a change of pace guy. He's a guy who proved he can average over 4.5 yards a carry without a QB. He's also pretty good in pass protection. That's what he's going to bring.

I take the 3 best guys who can play in this league. Maybe 4.

No, he IMPROVED when he got the workload. He was averaging 3 YPC as a backup. Which is what he'll be this year.

If you have some statistics that shows he does well behind a starter, please provide it. Otherwise, you're talking out of your *** and reaching. Also, Alfred Morris does just fine in pass protection. That's who I see McFadden competing with at this point.
 

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There will be times when EE will be the best matchup out there or provide the best versatility for the next play call. Other times you may matchup with the defense better with a scatback. You take what the defense gives you.

This too but I believe you and Fuzzy are practically on the same page. Take what they give you but execute that plan holistically.
 
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