Scott Linehan & The Running Game

[Doomsday101]

We talking about the same game?

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=331202026

NFC Divisonal round of the playoffs is what I'm talking about. Even in the reg season match up if you look at that game often times NO stacked the line for Lynch and Wislon used a lot of play action to find wide open targets. When facing seahawks teams know that have to stop Lynch if not they will pound him all day and he will beat you however much like Dallas of the 90's once you start stacking the line to stop Emmitt then Troy would play action off of him and find his targets down field. Defensively again Seahwaks played both run and pass extreamly well

 

[Idgit]

NFC Divisonal round of the playoffs is what I'm talking about. Even in the reg season match up if you look at that game often times NO stacked the line for Lynch and Wislon used a lot of play action to find wide open targets. When facing seahawks teams know that have to stop Lynch if not they will pound him all day and he will beat you however much like Dallas of the 90's once you start stacking the line to stop Emmitt then Troy would play action off of him and find his targets down field. Defensively again Seahwaks played both run and pass extreamly well

Lol. Well, that explains at least part of the differing takes, then. I wasn't sure which game you referred to, originally, and just googled and came up with the regular season game.

 

[Doomsday101]

Lol. Well, that explains at least part of the differing takes, then. I wasn't sure which game you referred to, originally, and just googled and came up with the regular season game.

lol, not a problem. Don't get the wrong impression yes I think passing game is very important. I think Wilson is a very good QB he make some very nice throws and is smart enough to avoid big mistakes. He comes from a college program who is a big time running team at Wisconsin and shows great paients and does not force things. He allows his running game to do it's job and works play action and bootlegs off of it. he has a defense who can comes in and stops opposing teams.

 

[khiladi]

First off, you're clueless if you believe any offensive coordinator has "total control" when he is not also the HC. While Phillips probably didn't make any play calls, his team philosophy still had some impact on the offense Garrett called.

I actually didn't bother reading the rest of this. All I got to do is mention Dan Reeves in the context of this situation to prove you completely wrong.

 

[rpntex]

I actually didn't bother reading the rest of this. All I got to do is mention Dan Reeves in the context of this situation to prove you completely wrong.

I'm going to assume your vague response was in reference to Reeves' tenure as OC under Tom Landry. If so, you couldn't have picked a worse example. Landry gave Reeves a lot of autonomy, but there was never any question that every call went through Landry. Landry was, by his own admission, a micromanager.

 

[khiladi]

I'm going to assume your vague response was in reference to Reeves' tenure as OC under Tom Landry. If so, you couldn't have picked a worse example. Landry gave Reeves a lot of autonomy, but there was never any question that every call went through Landry. Landry was, by his own admission, a micromanager.

No, it wasn't... Wade Phillips and Dan Reeves.. While Wade was HC of the Cowboys...

 

[rpntex]

No, it wasn't... Wade Phillips and Dan Reeves.. While Wade was HC of the Cowboys...

I see...the "time clock" issue. Not sure how this relates to the thread at hand, but whatever. As I recall, Garrett welcomed the addition of Reeves, and it was all set up, until Jerry and his work hour stipulations blew it up.

 

[khiladi]

I see...the "time clock" issue. Not sure how this relates to the thread at hand, but whatever. As I recall, Garrett welcomed the addition of Reeves, and it was all set up, until Jerry and his work hour stipulations blew it up.

Sure it was...

Jason just never got a consultant that would punch the clock and revamp the running game the next few years again. All this and Garrett couldn't even come out and say Callahan was calling plays when he took over the reigns originally, and then Garrett tried taking the reigns back.

 

[rpntex]

Sure it was...

Jason just never got a consultant that would punch the clock and revamp the running game the next few years again. All this and Garrett couldn't even come out and say Callahan was calling plays when he took over the reigns originally, and then Garrett tried taking the reigns back.

Dude, you are all over the place here in this thread. I have no idea what you're getting at, or how Dan Reeves relates to this thread. Is it with regards to your assertion that Garrett had complete control of the offense when Wade was coach? Or is it with regards to your earlier statement that Jerry kept bringing in people to help with the running game? If so, how does Reeves figure into that, considering that the plan fell through before he even arrived?

Your last statement about Callahan is odd, too. As I recall, nobody was acknowledging who was calling plays last season. Jerry Jones made one statement with regards to Callahan calling plays last June, but aside from that, nothing was ever said by anyone. It wasn't just Garrett who refused to say anything about it.

I also think it's funny you said Garrett "tried" taking the reigns back. It was obvious to anyone and everyone that something was different from the bye forward, but that doesn't mean that Garrett started calling plays again. In fact, all that was said was that Dallas was going to change the method by which the playcalls were communicated from the booth to the QB, with the final say before the call was relayed to Romo coming from Garrett. Truth is we (that includes you) don't have any idea who was calling plays at any time last year. It may have been Garrett all along. It may have been Callahan all along. Or it may have been as the subtle changes indicated---it was Callahan, then Garrett took over.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

Niners, Niners has 3 TD passes all yr. Thats atrocious.

huh?

 

[LatinMind]

huh?

was a mistake. I was looking at postseason stats. but other then Bouldin and Davis there was only 1 other person who caught a TD for the niners. Crabtree. And only caught 1

 

[khiladi]

Dude, you are all over the place here in this thread. I have no idea what you're getting at, or how Dan Reeves relates to this thread. Is it with regards to your assertion that Garrett had complete control of the offense when Wade was coach? Or is it with regards to your earlier statement that Jerry kept bringing in people to help with the running game? If so, how does Reeves figure into that, considering that the plan fell through before he even arrived?

Your last statement about Callahan is odd, too. As I recall, nobody was acknowledging who was calling plays last season. Jerry Jones made one statement with regards to Callahan calling plays last June, but aside from that, nothing was ever said by anyone. It wasn't just Garrett who refused to say anything about it.

I also think it's funny you said Garrett "tried" taking the reigns back. It was obvious to anyone and everyone that something was different from the bye forward, but that doesn't mean that Garrett started calling plays again. In fact, all that was said was that Dallas was going to change the method by which the playcalls were communicated from the booth to the QB, with the final say before the call was relayed to Romo coming from Garrett. Truth is we (that includes you) don't have any idea who was calling plays at any time last year. It may have been Garrett all along. It may have been Callahan all along. Or it may have been as the subtle changes indicated---it was Callahan, then Garrett took over.

It's simple. You claimed that Garrett never wanted anybody to assist in the offense and he's always accepted the idea of help. Dan Reeves was to be brought up for running game help, but it was suddenly abandoned. Do you honestly think the idea of Reeves was quashed by the organization because of punching a clock? If the team was interested in help when they needed it, why wait 3 plus years to finally get the help they needed in Callahan? They could have found somebody besides Reeves...

 

[rpntex]

It's simple. You claimed that Garrett never wanted anybody to assist in the offense and he's always accepted the idea of help. Dan Reeves was to be brought up for running game help, but it was suddenly abandoned. Do you honestly think the idea of Reeves was quashed by the organization because of punching a clock? If the team was interested in help when they needed it, why wait 3 plus years to finally get the help they needed in Callahan? They could have found somebody besides Reeves...

When and where did I state that Garrett never wanted anyone to assist with any part of the offense? I've never had that opinion, and damn sure never expressed it anywhere.

 

[Doomsday101]

Sure it was...

Jason just never got a consultant that would punch the clock and revamp the running game the next few years again. All this and Garrett couldn't even come out and say Callahan was calling plays when he took over the reigns originally, and then Garrett tried taking the reigns back.

Punching a clock? Jerry wanted Reeve to be there full time not part time. I understand Reeves may not have wanted to make the committement after years of coaching but I also understand the owner/General manager not wanting to hire part time coach and yes the GM is the one who hires and pays these men. Wade sure as hell was not going to pay him. I don't recall Garrett trying to conceal the fact Callahan would call the plays and I don't recall him having a problem taking over a lot of the play calling later on in the season.

 

[khiladi]

When and where did I state that Garrett never wanted anyone to assist with any part of the offense? I've never had that opinion, and damn sure never expressed it anywhere.

Simple typo man.. You couldn't tell that from our whole conversation, and even the same sentence, especially the high-lighted portion

You claimed that Garrett never wanted anybody to assist in the offense and he's always accepted the idea of help.

 

[rpntex]

Simple typo man.. You couldn't tell that from our whole conversation, and even the same sentence, especially the high-lighted portion

Like I said, you've been all over the place in this conversation. I don't think I'm the only one who had trouble following you.

 

[khiladi]

Like I said, you've been all over the place in this conversation. I don't think I'm the only one had trouble following you.

It's not complex, if you couldn't see the point regarding Dan Reeves.

Dan Reeves was hired to come in to rectify the running game. That fell apart. There was NOTHING stopping Garrett from getting somebody else the next three years if he wanted somebody, if it was simply a matter of a punching the time card. He didn't and they got worse and worse, with Garrett in total control of the offense.

 

[Wolfpack]

Not for the faint at heart.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/06/24/situational-play-calling/

"If we’ve learned anything about the Cowboys under coach Jason Garrett, it’s that they like to pass the ball…a lot. No team preferred the pass more than Dallas last season. The Cowboys ended up as the league’ No. 4 pass-heaviest offense despite holding a lead on 45 percent of their offensive snaps – sixth-highest in the league. Only Cleveland called pass more often when playing with the lead. New offensive coordinator Scott Linehan operated the league’s pass-heaviest offense during his time in Detroit"

 

[Rockport]

Not for the faint at heart.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/06/24/situational-play-calling/

"If we’ve learned anything about the Cowboys under coach Jason Garrett, it’s that they like to pass the ball…a lot. No team preferred the pass more than Dallas last season. The Cowboys ended up as the league’ No. 4 pass-heaviest offense despite holding a lead on 45 percent of their offensive snaps – sixth-highest in the league. Only Cleveland called pass more often when playing with the lead. New offensive coordinator Scott Linehan operated the league’s pass-heaviest offense during his time in Detroit"

Good article and highlights the biggest problem I have with Garrett. Too much emphasis on the pass. Now, with the talent we have on the offensive line, it begs for a more run happy offense. At least when we have the lead. If Garrett doesn't adapt his play calling to the strengths of the offense, the team will be mediocre again and Garrett should get fired. If he adapts, then sign him long term.

 

[ATurkishSeaOtter]

"Only a mere three weeks into the season new offensive coaching personnel are questioned about the lack of success running the ball in their new, "Big man with ball runs behind bigger men philosophy." Coach lineman responded with, "I don't understand our current hang ups with the new scheme. From what I've always seen and taught as a coach at this level is, generally speaking, you take a big guy and you have him running behind bigger guys. Usually this will give you a basic ground game unless you are facing an even bigger group of guys. "It's not that we are having a scheme problem with our ground game it just turns out that while highly talented players, its a matter of physical size. If you implement out running scheme and the total mass you run behind is greater than its resistance, you wWILL run the ball for positive yardage. It's basic football at the end of the day added head coach garrett."