Scout’s Eye: Melton Impressive, Peterson Gets Best of Bryant Among Thoughts

[Ren]

Weeden got the better of Dez, over half his targets weren't even remotely close or catchable. Seriously up until that garbage time drive Weeden completed only 2 passes to a WR. Had Romo played and targeted Dez as much as Weeden did he's easily going for a 100+ yards Peterson or not

 

[Bullflop]

This applies to most teams when one of the few injured is the QB and the replacement sucks to high heaven. Weeden missed too many wide open receivers to feel like Arizona dominated. They were lucky Weeden was in the game. They got the win. Good for them. But I place the blame on Weeden's total ineptness among other things.

The part about Dez is ridiculous. He admits that Peterson was ALLOWED to interfere all day and Weeden threw uncatchable passes, but that is somehow Dez's fault. I don't know what else Dez could've done in this one.

You're correct, losing does apply to most teams when they're missing players and I surely I acknowledged that fact. Yes, Weeden played horribly and it was partly the fault of an OL that was just not itself, greatly due to the backups affecting the quality of their performance. As terrible as Weeden was, he might have played somewhat better if the OL had played up to its usual standards. Hell, even Tyron had an off day as well as Bernie and others who couldn't stop a persistent Arizona blitz with any consistency whatsoever. It was more than one man.

 

[Bullflop]

I don't we're disagreeing much. I do agree with you that others played poorly and that injuries have us at less than full strength. However, I believe that with Romo (or even Orton if he was still here) at quarterback this game would have been much different. Weeden was the reason we only scored 3 points offensively.

Yes, some of that was to be attributed to the poor performance of an offensive line that couldn't stop the blitz.
Seems to me that even Romo experienced problems last week against a Commanders defense that did much the same. I'm sure Romo would have responded better than Weeden did. But I'm not totally convinced we might have won if he had been there in place of Weeden, although the score probably would have been closer.

 

[Bullflop]

DISAGREE. Our backup QB was the reason why we lost. Its not that we were exposed. If we had Romo this would have been a game and possibly very winnable. If the refs did their jobs and called PI on Peterson it would also help. Those holding plays were obvious and stupid refs again want to make it hard for us to win.

I'll say the same thing I told everyone else -- the OL failed to protect vs. the blitz as they should have. Would we have won if Romo had played? Perhaps and perhaps not. Romo didn't exactly shine against the blitz last week, either. Let's also bear in mind that Dez was interfering with Peterson just as much as Peterson was doing so with him. Refs tend to ignore blaming it on the defender when it's being done by both the CB and the WR. I'm as upset as anyone by the results of that game. I'm merely attempting to see it as objectively as possible. Does Weeden suck? Yes, he sure does.

 

[perrykemp]

The part about Dez is ridiculous. He admits that Peterson was ALLOWED to interfere all day and Weeden threw uncatchable passes, but that is somehow Dez's fault. I don't know what else Dez could've done in this one.

Main thing Dez could have done is gained some separation from the defender (mainly Peterson).

Maybe it's some sort of viewing bias on my part, however, I could swear that everytime I zero in on Dez there is a defender right there. Every throw to him is contested.

Why can't they (or he or whatever) figure out a way to get Dez the ball with some space and some running room.

 

[Cowboyz88]

So you guys saw the defense today and the first thing you thought was "Hmmm.....that Barry Church is really holding us back".......

Nope, but I sure haven't thought, "Hmmm…as crappy as this defense is, that Barry Church is a cornerstone and we should build around him."

At some point very soon, the defense needs to be upgraded, and IMO, his position is one that needs upgrading ASAP.

IMO, he does nothing more than fill a spot on the team, and you can never expect him to make a positive play in the passing defense.

 

[xwalker]

I would like to see Heath or Hamilton play in that dime package over Church tbh

They have had Heath in for Church a few times in some games. He played at least 1 defensive snap against Arizona.

 

[xwalker]

Main thing Dez could have done is gained some separation from the defender (mainly Peterson).

Maybe it's some sort of viewing bias on my part, however, I could swear that everytime I zero in on Dez there is a defender right there. Every throw to him is contested.

Why can't they (or he or whatever) figure out a way to get Dez the ball with some space and some running room.

There was a play where Dez ran a slant that was really hard to understand. The middle of the field was wide open. The DB was in off-coverage by about 5 yards maybe more and Dez ran right at the DB then cut in for the slant. If he had just slanted immediately off the line it would have been an easy throw with plenty of room to run.

 

[waving monkey]

Sounds to me like you're in denial of the fact that it takes more than one man to lose a game. Granted, Weeden played very poorly but there were folks on the OL that did as well. It didn't help that two of them were out. Dez had a bad game and it's not the first time that has happened against Patrick Peterson. Our safeties didn't fare especially well in pass pro, either. It's never on one man, as poorly as that one man might have responded.

poor QB's lose a lot of games

 

[xwalker]

This is the most interesting observation IMO.

How often did that happen and did Church give up big plays? I remember a play that got a first down that required about 3 yards.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I'll say the same thing I told everyone else -- the OL failed to protect vs. the blitz as they should have. Would we have won if Romo had played? Perhaps and perhaps not. Romo didn't exactly shine against the blitz last week, either. Let's also bear in mind that Dez was interfering with Peterson just as much as Peterson was doing so with him. Refs tend to ignore blaming it on the defender when it's being done by both the CB and the WR. I'm as upset as anyone by the results of that game. I'm merely attempting to see it as objectively as possible. Does Weeden suck? Yes, he sure does.

We get penalized for the same things that we do to receivers. Yet it's never called on Bryant. Thus I do believe there is some bias with refs calling those things on us that they let it go on other teams. I don't tend to listen to analyst because they seem to be very biased also. That hands to the face on McClain happened because he was held. Yet they called it on him.

Peterson is the most penalized player in the nfl. He was all over Bryant and should have been called. There is no reason why Bryant gets fouled so many times and there is no call. It's the refs job to make sure that doesn't happen and they failed miserably.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Main thing Dez could have done is gained some separation from the defender (mainly Peterson).

Maybe it's some sort of viewing bias on my part, however, I could swear that everytime I zero in on Dez there is a defender right there. Every throw to him is contested.

Why can't they (or he or whatever) figure out a way to get Dez the ball with some space and some running rooms.

They could cheat like Denver does with those illegal picks. Funny that Arizona used that illegal pick on us also for their biggest play. Maybe it's time we used that also.

 

[Sportsbabe]

Well it was bound to happen, our safeties are more like LBs than DBs.

... let's not forget about the other Claiborne ... Carr. I've been wanting him replaced for quite some time. He's useless and have never seen what people see in him.

 

[Sportsbabe]

This applies to most teams when one of the few injured is the QB and the replacement sucks to high heaven. Weeden missed too many wide open receivers to feel like Arizona dominated. They were lucky Weeden was in the game. They got the win. Good for them. But I place the blame on Weeden's total ineptness among other things.

The part about Dez is ridiculous. He admits that Peterson was ALLOWED to interfere all day and Weeden threw uncatchable passes, but that is somehow Dez's fault. I don't know what else Dez could've done in this one.

... and plus what Weeden showed me yesterday is he has no moxy. He was so passive out there. I at least need him to put up a fight when things are going bad for him.

 

[Bullflop]

We get penalized for the same things that we do to receivers. Yet it's never called on Bryant. Thus I do believe there is some bias with refs calling those things on us that they let it go on other teams. I don't tend to listen to analyst because they seem to be very biased also. That hands to the face on McClain happened because he was held. Yet they called it on him.

Peterson is the most penalized player in the nfl. He was all over Bryant and should have been called. There is no reason why Bryant gets fouled so many times and there is no call. It's the refs job to make sure that doesn't happen and they failed miserably.

Dez likely made his mistake by getting drawn into reciprocating as he did with Peterson. If he hadn't done so, it's entirely possible the favorable calls against Peterson would have been forthcoming. I really don't buy the conspiracy theory that refs and analysts are routinely biased against the Cowboys. I'm not saying it never, ever happens but I suspect it's more the exception than the rule. Oftentimes, I believe they simply make human mistakes with no insidious intention of doing so. Having said that, PP did get called at least once, as I recall.

 

[jobberone]

This reminds me of the good old days when there would be monster threads defending Williams with the idea that "you just don't know the coverages".

Expect more of the same.

I don't remember that. I remember some saying his stats were this and that while others stated I know what I see. My memory is a bit more porous than it once was but what I remember seems to stick well. But not always.

I think many here have always said Church was a decent starter but basically he could be upgraded. I haven't changed my mind about that. We need a ball hawking S back there like Peterson.

But more so we need consistent pressure by the front seven primarily the DL. I expect to see more pressure as Melton and Spencer get their legs and Lawrence gets to know the game.

We still need another player or two to upgrade that unit.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Dez likely made his mistake by getting drawn into reciprocating as he did with Peterson. If he hadn't done so, it's entirely possible the favorable calls against Peterson would have been forthcoming. I really don't buy the conspiracy theory that refs and analysts are routinely biased against the Cowboys. I'm not saying it never, ever happens but I suspect it's more the exception than the rule. Oftentimes, I believe they simply make human mistakes with no insidious intention of doing so. Having said that, PP did get called at least once, as I recall.

I don't buy in to the conspiracy stuff. I don't think there is. But I do believe the hatred for the Cowboys is there even with the refs. Just watch Denver. They get all the calls going their way. D. Ware was barely touched on the helmet and they called a personal foul on the other team. That call would not have been called here in Dallas.

The fouls on Dez is crazy this year. I think he has the rights to speak up about it. He has been held and hit consistently without any calls going his way. There was an obvious facemask on him in another game. Yet they called him for offensive holding. I don't think there is a conspiracy. But there is certainly an anti-Cowboy bias. We get called for things on defense that is never, ever called against our players on offense, mainly Bryant.

 

[Bullflop]

poor QB's lose a lot of games

Very true and it's oftentimes with the help of an offensive line that isn't consistent vs. the blitz.

 

[Bullflop]

I don't buy in to the conspiracy stuff. I don't think there is. But I do believe the hatred for the Cowboys is there even with the refs. Just watch Denver. They get all the calls going their way. D. Ware was barely touched on the helmet and they called a personal foul on the other team. That call would not have been called here in Dallas.

The fouls on Dez is crazy this year. I think he has the rights to speak up about it. He has been held and hit consistently without any calls going his way. There was an obvious facemask on him in another game. Yet they called him for offensive holding. I don't think there is a conspiracy. But there is certainly an anti-Cowboy bias. We get called for things on defense that is never, ever called against our players on offense, mainly Bryant.

I guarantee you, about half of the fans in the league feel like their guys are being discriminated against by the refs and the analysts. If Dez had the ability to get decent separation from the opposition's CB, they'd be unable to handfight with him the way they do. Conversely, it wouldn't be necessary for him to handfight with them in the fitst place if he were able to gain proper separation. Sorry, I don't really think your ideas about all that hatred by officials and analysts for the Cowboys hold much factual value. Most professionals avoid that religiously.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I guarantee you, about half of the fans in the league feel like their guys are being discriminated against by the refs and the analysts. If Dez had the ability to get decent separation from the opposition's CB, they'd be unable to handfight with him the way they do. Conversely, it wouldn't be necessary for him to handfight with them in the fitst place if he were able to gain proper separation. Sorry, I don't really think your ideas about all that hatred by officials and analysts for the Cowboys hold much factual value. Most professionals avoid that religiously.

No problem with your opinions. However, NBA officials were caught cheating favoring one team over the other. I think it was the Lakers. What is proof that there ISN'T any favoritism with refs favoring one team over the other. Did you watch the Denver/San Diego game? The refs really didn't need to but they helped out Denver a lot especially with those illegal pick plays that Denver gets away with quite often.