Scruggs: Stop Talking About the Cowboys 'Window'

[Junglist]

There's a window, but it's cracked open just to let some breeze in.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Until we fix this defense their is no window their is no glass their is no window frame their is no windowsill their is no house with a window. Jerry fix this defense.

we won 12 games with a defense with less quality personnel in 2014 than the one we had in 2015. Last year's record was a result of bad offense caused by Romo's absence. The defense kept the team in just about every game.

 

[gimmesix]

Windows are short sighted to talk about because in the NFL, the future is just as important as the present. So imagine a team that always talked about the future and how ridiculous that would be. You have to place great and equal importance on both.





YR

I agree, and I don't think that means you have to draft your future QB this year. It simply means you've got the fourth overall pick because of that 4-12 season, use it to get the best possible long-term contributor that you can. If that's a QB, fine but you better be convinced that that guy is worthy of the pick.

Some seem to want Dallas to trade a QB regardless of how Dallas' scouts feel about the QBs in this draft. You don't do that. If someone like Joey Bosa is the guy they believe if the best player in this draft, a guy scouts are willing to stand on the table for, then you take that guy. (Not saying Bosa is, just using him as an example.)

 

[DandyDon52]

Until we fix this defense their is no window their is no glass their is no window frame their is no windowsill their is no house with a window. Jerry fix this defense.

I agree, but the team has more problems than just the defense.
Jerry will "fix" the defense, offense this year like every year for the big run in 2016.
It is better to build than fix.

 

[DandyDon52]

Stop Talking About the Cowboys 'Window'


By Newy Scruggs

I get tired of hearing about the Cowboys approach to the 2016 NFL Draft should be about the club’s “window”. My twitter page gets loaded up with comments like that.

Or the whole take advantage of the “window” of quarterback Tony Romo argument for the justification of passing on a signal caller with the fourth overall pick.

4-12 teams don’t have a Super Bowl window.

Jason Garrett has coached the Cowboys for five full seasons and generated just one winning year.

That does not make a “window" friends.

Don’t give me the “If Romo and Dez are healthy” argument, either.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/blogs/blue-star/Stop-Talking-About-the-Cowboys-Window-370344881.html

I have to agree, I think the window is now shut.
Question is can they get it back open ??

Any Decent team can make the playoffs, and once in any team that got that far can possible get to SB.
Dallas could have a good year and go past the dreaded Div round, but with our coaches, playbook, playcalling, game planning,
and players, it is unlikely they get past the Div round.

But they should make the playoffs, they have enough talent, and in a fairly weak div, so they should be a playoff team.
But keep in mind each year teams make the playoffs and are one and done, and if not get beat in Div round.

 

[DandyDon52]

Romo's window is unknown, he may have years left, he may have a few games, but he isnt as fragile as some think.
He will keep playing till he cant play.
He might retire if he won a SB, but maybe not.

I think you draft for the future and use FA for the now.

 

[DandyDon52]

I agree, and I don't think that means you have to draft your future QB this year. It simply means you've got the fourth overall pick because of that 4-12 season, use it to get the best possible long-term contributor that you can. If that's a QB, fine but you better be convinced that that guy is worthy of the pick.

Some seem to want Dallas to trade a QB regardless of how Dallas' scouts feel about the QBs in this draft. You don't do that. If someone like Joey Bosa is the guy they believe if the best player in this draft, a guy scouts are willing to stand on the table for, then you take that guy. (Not saying Bosa is, just using him as an example.)

Well your right, but if we dont get one @ 4 this time, and lets say next year a good QB is there, we wont be able to get him if we
finish this year with 8-8 or better.
It is possible to trade up, but then your giving up future picks.

It is also possible to get a good QB in 2nd round or lower, but you have to be really good at evaluation to spot
the very few guys that are good but available in later rounds.

Our guys that eval, did not see anything in Russel Wilson, or Derek carr, they have missed some good RB's that
went in lower rounds, and they pick guys like TW and Street, Randle , escobar ,etc.

This a rare chance to pick 1 of the top 2-3 QB's, a chance they wont have again until they have another 4-12 year or worse.
However if they think these 3 are not going to be a good NFL QB,then yes dont
pick them, go for another player who they think will be good in NFL.

I read they like Wentz, so if he is there, then I think you take him at 4, and maybe even
trade with cleveland to get the # 1 pick.

 

[gimmesix]

Well your right, but if we dont get one @ 4 this time, and lets say next year a good QB is there, we wont be able to get him if we
finish this year with 8-8 or better.
It is possible to trade up, but then your giving up future picks.

It is also possible to get a good QB in 2nd round or lower, but you have to be really good at evaluation to spot
the very few guys that are good but available in later rounds.

Our guys that eval, did not see anything in Russel Wilson, or Derek carr, they have missed some good RB's that
went in lower rounds, and they pick guys like TW and Street, Randle , escobar ,etc.

This a rare chance to pick 1 of the top 2-3 QB's, a chance they wont have again until they have another 4-12 year or worse.
However if they think these 3 are not going to be a good NFL QB,then yes dont
pick them, go for another player who they think will be good in NFL.

I read they like Wentz, so if he is there, then I think you take him at 4, and maybe even
trade with cleveland to get the # 1 pick.

It would cost us as much to trade up with Cleveland to get the No. 1 pick as it would to trade up as an 8-8 team to get the change to get a franchise QB.

I believe if a QB is there at 4 that Dallas values on the same level as other players, then you take him. If he's on a lower level, but close enough that you still believe he's a franchise guy, you take him. But if you question something about his game, then you don't force it just because you're at No. 4. Being at No. 4 gives you the opportunity to take a difference maker and that's the guy Dallas needs to go after, whatever the position.

I also believe if you don't take a QB in the first, you still take one at some point ... because if you can develop your future, you put yourself in the position where you don't have to wait for another 4-12 year or trade up to get your franchise replacement.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

That may have been our record last year but we don't have a 4-12 roster. From the other thread here is the projected win totals for next year:

Panthers 10.5
Packers 10.5
Patriots 10.5
Steelers 10.5
Seahawks 10.5
Cardinals 9.5
Bengals 9.5
Broncos 9.5
Cowboys 9
Chiefs 9
Vikings 9

That looks like a possible Super Bowl window to me.

Projected as in guessing.

 

[NumOneQB]

You are what your record says you are.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Very few people think we aren't a legit contender this year. Those few will be proven incorrect.

Contend for what? The Madden Bowl?

 

[TwoDeep3]

Until we fix this defense their is no window their is no glass their is no window frame their is no windowsill their is no house with a window. Jerry fix this defense.

Please explain 2014 outcome with a defense that was worse than the 2015 defense.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Please explain 2014 outcome with a defense that was worse than the 2015 defense.

2014 only 3 less sacks but 10 more INTS. I say 2014 was better in the turnover department.

 

[TwoDeep3]

2014 only 3 less sacks but 10 more INTS. I say 2014 was better in the turnover department.

So then the fact Dallas scores 29.2 PPG in 2014 versus 17.2 PPG in 2015 had any influence at all?

It was not the defense, but beauty that killed the beasts.

 

[Eddie]

What's this window talk? How many windows did we have in the past 20 years?

How close were we to the Super Bowl ???

 

[Fletch]

I think "Windows" mainly are associated with franchise QBs.

Well we don't have to worry about that.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I agree, and I don't think that means you have to draft your future QB this year. It simply means you've got the fourth overall pick because of that 4-12 season, use it to get the best possible long-term contributor that you can. If that's a QB, fine but you better be convinced that that guy is worthy of the pick.

Some seem to want Dallas to trade a QB regardless of how Dallas' scouts feel about the QBs in this draft. You don't do that. If someone like Joey Bosa is the guy they believe if the best player in this draft, a guy scouts are willing to stand on the table for, then you take that guy. (Not saying Bosa is, just using him as an example.)

I don't know how the scouts feel about the QB's in this draft. All we have heard is from former scouts that were no longer employed as scouts shooting off their mouth.

And just because scouts say something, doesn't mean they are always right. Case in point, the GLARING oversight from the Cowboys scouts to have Sharif Floyd play in Marinelli's scheme when Marinelli clearly didn't want a player with his skillset.

To me, I want the organization to look at these QB's from the viewpoint of where they will be in 2-4 years because we have no real intentions of starting any QB right away. I don't care if a QB doesn't play from under center, isn't making progression reads and has some throwing mechanical issues *right now*. I want to know:

1) Can these issues be fixed in a timely manner?

2) Does the QB have the ability and willingness to learn and fix these issues in a timely manner?

3) If the QB does reasonably fix these issues, how will they project as a QB?

Everything changes when we are discussing the QB position in the NFL, JJ Watt may be the best individual player in the draft, but he's not nearly the impact on a team's success as a Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady.





YR

 

[big dog cowboy]

the cowboys have been talking about next year for twenty years

I don't remember anyone with the Cowboys saying anything like that.

 

[gimmesix]

I don't know how the scouts feel about the QB's in this draft. All we have heard is from former scouts that were no longer employed as scouts shooting off their mouth.

And just because scouts say something, doesn't mean they are always right. Case in point, the GLARING oversight from the Cowboys scouts to have Sharif Floyd play in Marinelli's scheme when Marinelli clearly didn't want a player with his skillset.

To me, I want the organization to look at these QB's from the viewpoint of where they will be in 2-4 years because we have no real intentions of starting any QB right away. I don't care if a QB doesn't play from under center, isn't making progression reads and has some throwing mechanical issues *right now*. I want to know:

1) Can these issues be fixed in a timely manner?

2) Does the QB have the ability and willingness to learn and fix these issues in a timely manner?

3) If the QB does reasonably fix these issues, how will they project as a QB?

Everything changes when we are discussing the QB position in the NFL, JJ Watt may be the best individual player in the draft, but he's not nearly the impact on a team's success as a Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady.





YR

The problem is projections. Teams always seem to feel flaws can be fixed when they take a player in the first round, but they can't truly answer those questions because some players, in this case QBs, never learn to read defenses better, fix their throwing mechanics, etc. That's why we end up with so many busts.

Then, there are players like Romo who has a lot of issues, goes undrafted and then does show the ability to fix his issues.

I do agree with you, though, on the importance of the QB position. You want to make sure you've got yourself covered there because of the impact he makes on the team's success. And I think that plays into this pick in multiple ways, including whether Dallas wants the No. 4 overall pick to sit for possibly three to four years behind Romo. (I think it will be closer to two, though, but that's also difficult to project.)

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

So then the fact Dallas scores 29.2 PPG in 2014 versus 17.2 PPG in 2015 had any influence at all?

It was not the defense, but beauty that killed the beasts.

Both defenses were bad. Just that 2014 made plays. 2015 was bad without the plays.