Seattle cuts 1st round draft pick from 2017

[Trouty]

Pete, like Jimmy Johnson, had the added advantage of knowing the players in college when he came back to the NFL. He had a feel for the prospects as well as connects within NCAA

Now those connects and learned, inside knowledge of potential gems has faded with time as he distances himself from his NCAA tenure. And have also heard his message to the players has grown stale inside that SEA locker room amongst the vets.

Good.

I love, love Russell Wilson, but I will get great joy watching their ship sink. The team is all Wilson now. Legion of Boom is dead.

 

[atlantacowboy]

...Maliek McDowell. Just got cut. Never suited up and played a snap. MONUMENTAL reach of a draft pick and never sniffed the field. EVERYONE on here who claims Pete Carrol is somehow a draft savant needs to smell the coffee. Over the past several years they haven't drafted worth a bleep! MAYBE at one time he was good evaluating guys,but not lately. Seattle is in ruins because of draft decisions like this one. Dallas should take a moment and realize we need to do the same with Chaz Green. Lazy and out of condition isn't the description you want for a player.

There are no draft savants. Even Belechek makes plenty of mistakes. That said Pete has found HOF players like Richard Sherman in round 5. He won a super bowl in Seattle which nobody had ever done before. The guy has done an amazing job. He built them from nothing once and there is no reason to doubt him. They don't suffer lazy players or guys who can't contribute when called upon............as we do.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Pete, like Jimmy Johnson, had the added advantage of knowing the players in college when he came back to the NFL. He had a feel for the prospects as well as connects within NCAA

Now those connects and learned, inside knowledge of potential gems has faded with time as he distances himself from his NCAA tenure. And have also heard his message to the players has grown stale inside that SEA locker room amongst the vets.

Good.

I love, love Russell Wilson, but I will get great joy watching their ship sink. The team is all Wilson now. Legion of Boom is dead.

Thats why he's getting rid of the vets.

 

[Trouty]

Thats why he's getting rid of the vets.

okay...

 

[atlantacowboy]

okay...

.......and if knowing the college players was such an advantage, chip kelly and Steve Spurrier would have enjoyed a lot more success. The fact is that transitioning to the NFL is very difficult for most college coaches. Even Saban struggled to adapt. So, I don't think its fair to diminish what Carrol or Jimmy Johnson prior to him did coming into the league and building super bowl champs. That list is real short.

 

[Trouty]

.......and if knowing the college players was such an advantage, chip kelly and Steve Spurrier would have enjoyed a lot more success. The fact is that transitioning to the NFL is very difficult for most college coaches. Even Saban struggled to adapt. So, I don't think its fair to diminish what Carrol or Jimmy Johnson prior to him did coming into the league and building super bowl champs. That list is real short.

My list was short, you're correct.

I didn't diminish what they did.

Stop trying to argue with me for the sake of it. It's annoying as ****.

 

[Trouty]

.......and if knowing the college players was such an advantage, chip kelly and Steve Spurrier would have enjoyed a lot more success. The fact is that transitioning to the NFL is very difficult for most college coaches. Even Saban struggled to adapt. So, I don't think its fair to diminish what Carrol or Jimmy Johnson prior to him did coming into the league and building super bowl champs. That list is real short.

It is well known, my first post, throughout the NFL and through their own interviews of their advantages of knowing college connections and prospects, and how it helped them build their roster.

They were also able to implement winning cultures, where the other coaches came up short.

Kelly was a gimmick coach, and whence he got figured out, was doneso. Saban, Spurier... again, didn't say those laws transferred to all coaches, just the listed ones, as PART of what made them successful.

Again, trying to pull a debate out of your *** is annoying.

 

[atlantacowboy]

My list was short, you're correct.

I didn't diminish what they did.

Stop trying to argue with me for the sake of it. It's annoying as ****.

I've got nothing else to do until september. Keep teeing me up.

 

[Trouty]

I've got nothing else to do until september. Keep teeing me up.

Thing is, I don't either, but I'm not "tee'ing you up"

You're digging to dig.

It's annoying as ****.

If you want to add to my post, that's different. But trying to find a nit to pick where there isn't one, is bull ****

 

[atlantacowboy]

Thing is, I don't either, but I'm not "tee'ing you up"

You're digging to dig.

It's annoying as ****.

If you want to add to my post, that's different. But trying to find a nit to pick where there isn't one, is bull ****

Its not nitpicking. You opened up a whole other discussion when you lumped in Jimmy Johnson.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Thing is, I don't either, but I'm not "tee'ing you up"

You're digging to dig.

It's annoying as ****.

If you want to add to my post, that's different. But trying to find a nit to pick where there isn't one, is bull ****

And FYI: There are only 3 coaches in history who won NCAA titles and Super bowl titles. Jimmy Johnson, Barry Switzer, and Pete Carrol. So, really, there are only 2 guys who've ever done it, since Barry basically did it with Jimmy's team.

 

[Trouty]

Its not nitpicking. You opened up a whole other discussion when you lumped in Jimmy Johnson.

LOL. Cut it the hell out. I highlighted a valuable point by using JJohnson, a very comparable coach to Carrol in how they came in and roster-built very well, very fast, aided by their knowledge of the NCAA. I wasn't pulling **** out of my ***.

 

[Trouty]

And FYI: There are only 3 coaches in history who won NCAA titles and Super bowl titles. Jimmy Johnson, Barry Switzer, and Pete Carrol. So, really, there are only 2 guys who've ever done it, since Barry basically did it with Jimmy's team.

Good stuff.

 

[atlantacowboy]

LOL. Cut it the hell out. I highlighted a valuable point by using JJohnson, a very comparable coach to Carroll in how they came in and roster-built very well, very fast, aided by their knowledge of the NCAA. I wasn't pulling **** out of my ***.

My point is that if coming out of the college ranks was such an advantage, everyone would be hiring college coaches. Guys like Carrol and Johnson bring a lot more than familiarity with college players. In fact in the modern era of free agency, Carrol is the only one whose gone from college to the NFL and built a winner. Thats a pretty big feather and I don't understand the tone of this whole thread toward him and what he's done in Seattle.

 

[Trouty]

Its not nitpicking. You opened up a whole other discussion when you lumped in Jimmy Johnson.

Are you trying to tell me that I'm wrong? That JJohnson and PCarroll weren't at an added advantage from the NCAA connects and freshness from the league?

 

[atlantacowboy]

Are you trying to tell me that I'm wrong? That JJohnson and PCarrol weren't at an added advantage from the NCAA connects and freshness from the league?

yep. sorry to disagree. Jimmy was familiar with his Miami guys but held no secret knowledge of anyone else.

 

[Trouty]

My point is that if coming out of the college ranks was such an advantage, everyone would be hiring college coaches. Guys like Carrol and Johnson bring a lot more than familiarity with college players. In fact in the modern era of free agency, Carrol is the only one whose gone from college to the NFL and built a winner. Thats a pretty big feather and I don't understand the tone of this whole thread toward him and what he's done in Seattle.

They were better than the others. They were better, great, at assessing talent. Great at it. They were also emotional-driven, motivating coaches, more than they were Xs and Os guys.

They have said themselves, and it has been reported numerous times, of their connects within the ranks of NCAA and how it helped them achieve the rosters they eventually fielded.

Is this really happening?

 

[Trouty]

yep. sorry to disagree

Well then I'm done here. I wont argue with wrong.

That's where debates end and **** measuring contests begin.

 

[Rayman70]

There are no draft savants. Even Belechek makes plenty of mistakes. That said Pete has found HOF players like Richard Sherman in round 5. He won a super bowl in Seattle which nobody had ever done before. The guy has done an amazing job. He built them from nothing once and there is no reason to doubt him. They don't suffer lazy players or guys who can't contribute when called upon............as we do.

I agree. But I am talking about the past 3-4 years drafting and with bad signings/trades. They have been woeful.

 

[atlantacowboy]

They were better than the others. They were better, great, at assessing talent. Great at it. They were also emotional-driven, motivating coaches, more than they were Xs and Os guys.

They have said themselves, and it has been reported numerous times, of their connects within the ranks of NCAA and how it helped them achieve the rosters they eventually fielded.

Is this really happening?

Jimmy was a master motivator and great assessor of talent. He knew how to light fires under guys and get more out of them. No question. If you want to argue that his college experience was a huge benefit at the time, fine. I'm simply looking at the history of college coaches coming into the league and asking a basic question: "where is the evidence of that advantage ?"