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[theogt]

I'm sorry, but this doesnt make any sense.

Most safeties dont get their ints when guarding people man to man. In fact most interceptions in general come from playing zone defense (according to coaches). Hamlin doesnt usually (hardly ever in fact) have a single player to account for. He's back there to provide help over the top (of which he's late for quite a bit) or to essentially play centerfield. When you take into account how effective our pass rush is and how good our CB's are, it isnt that hard to see that he is pretty mediocre when it comes to making plays. And it isnt one yr, its most of his career and the past 2+ seasons here.

There's just no defense IMO for how mediocre he's been at it. If we had no pass rush or extremely weak CB's, maybe you'd have more of a legit argument.

Honestly, you have to wonder if some of you people actually ever watched the game of football. Some of you are so incredibly clueless about the game.

Let me tell you something about football.

FREE SAFETIES DO NOT PLAY MAN COVERAGE. That is called "zero coverage." And no one calls it in the NFL. And when they do, they get their ***** handed to them by the opposing team.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Ya and guess what.

It doesn't count as a targetz!

But in reality he's playing so far back he gives a bunch of underneath routes up.

Just one of the many reason it's so skewed.

What theo doesn't understand is that the few passes Hamlin sees is dictated by how the opposing O attacks our D. They are simply content to complete short and medium passes to the middle of the field because our ILBs don't get enough depth in their drops and Hamlin is responsible for stopping the deep play.

Theo wants to sit here and act like Hamlin sees so few passes because he's locking down in coverage. :laugh2:

 

[peplaw06]

Well come on. When he's lining up 20 yards from the line of scrimmage and he's responsible for the deep half of the field, how many times do you THINK he's going to be targeted.

Or how about Jenkins and Newman actually shutting down recievers?

Or how about a really good pass rush not allowing the QB to throw deep.

There's so many variables that make him look better than he actually is.

Hence him having "no targets" on the stat sheet. Good thing I have two eyes to see how trashy his playmaking and tackling is.

What do percentage mean?

 

[dbair1967]

Honestly, you have to wonder if some of you people actually ever watched the game of football. Some of you are so incredibly clueless about the game.

Let me tell you something about football.

FREE SAFETIES DO NOT PLAY MAN COVERAGE. That is called "zero coverage." And no one calls it in the NFL. And when they do, they get their ***** handed to them by the opposing team.

I've never contended that they do. I've contended that Hamlin sux at making plays. And the numbers he's put up show that to anyone who looks at it.

 

[theogt]

But let's look at the numbers for Atogwe, Rolle and Hamlin since 2006. It's not exactly apples to apples because Rolle was a cornerback for Arizona in 2006-07 before moving to safety, but ...

Hamlin - 4.7 tackles per game, 3 sacks, 9 interceptions, 2 forced fumbles
Rolle - 4.9 tackles per game, 1.5 sacks, 11 interceptions, 3 forced fumbles
Atogwe - 5.1 tackles per game, 2 sacks, 18 interceptions, 14 forced fumbles

Atogwe turns 29 in June. Hamlin is 29; Rolle 27

Rolle - 14 missed tackles.
Hamlin - 2 missed tackles.


LOL! Seven times as many missed tackles. Seven times.

 

[Rampage]

Honestly, you have to wonder if some of you people actually ever watched the game of football. Some of you are so incredibly clueless about the game.

Let me tell you something about football.

FREE SAFETIES DO NOT PLAY MAN COVERAGE. That is called "zero coverage." And no one calls it in the NFL. And when they do, they get their ***** handed to them by the opposing team.

:laugh2: this is comedy. no safety is ever asked to play man coverage according to theo.

 

[dbair1967]

Rolle - 14 missed tackles.
Hamlin - 2 missed tackles.


LOL! Seven times as many missed tackles. Seven times.

I have no idea if this is true, but I doubt Rolle almost singlehandedly blew two games by missing routine open field tackles (3 total tds)

 

[theogt]

I've never contended that they do. I've contended that Hamlin sux at making plays. And the numbers he's put up show that to anyone who looks at it.

Haha, actually, you've consistently attempted to discredit Hamlin because he "doesn't play man coverage."

It's hilarious. Sometimes people just make it so apparent they have no idea what goes on on the football field.

 

[Rampage]

Rolle - 14 missed tackles.
Hamlin - 2 missed tackles.


LOL! Seven times as many missed tackles. Seven times.

lol! 9 more interceptions 12 more forced fumbles(21 more forced turnovers) and he still averages more tackles a game than Primetime Hamlin.
that's what Atogwe has done better than Hamlin. who cares about Rolle he's a Giant now. I just used your Rolle reference to show those stats.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

23 pages on Sensabaugh!

He's good. But, I'll take a 2nd rd pick for him any day.

All this talk about Hamlin, when the weakest link in the secondary is ... drumroll...Terri Newman.

Too bad the Cowboys couldn't get a 2nd rd pick for that overrated waste of a roster spot.

 

[theogt]

:laugh2: this is comedy. no safety is ever asked to play man coverage according to theo.

It gets called maybe less than 5% of snaps.

 

[theogt]

lol! 9 more interceptions 12 more forced fumbles(21 more forced turnovers) and he still averages more tackles a game than Primetime Hamlin.
that's what Atogwe has done better than Hamlin. who cares about Rolle he's a Giant now. I just used that to show those stats.

Their career INTs per game is almost identical.

Hamlin destroys him in times targeted and yards given up. Hamlin is clearly better in run support (seven times! LOL!)

Game over. Go back to chatting on facebook with your highschool buddies, kid.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

I'm sorry, but this doesnt make any sense.

Most safeties dont get their ints when guarding people man to man. In fact most interceptions in general come from playing zone defense (according to coaches). Hamlin doesnt usually (hardly ever in fact) have a single player to account for.

Honestly, you have to wonder if some of you people actually ever watched the game of football. Some of you are so incredibly clueless about the game.

Let me tell you something about football.

FREE SAFETIES DO NOT PLAY MAN COVERAGE. That is called "zero coverage." And no one calls it in the NFL. And when they do, they get their ***** handed to them by the opposing team.

lol wut.

Dbair just said that

So since safeties get all their interceptions playing zone and Ken Hamlin plays zone..why does he have 1 int in the last two years with a defense in the top 3 in sacks the last 2 years?

theOWNED

 

[dbair1967]

Haha, actually, you've consistently attempted to discredit Hamlin because he "doesn't play man coverage."

It's hilarious.

I've never discredited him for "not playing man coverage"

Are you even paying attention? I swear sometiems you argue just to argue (must be the lawyer thing).

I've said he SHOULD be making more plays because he almost NEVER plays man coverage, and when you factor that in with our excellent pass rush and CB play, that whoever plays FS here should be doing more.

I've been agreeing with you all season on your contention he doesnt play much man to man defense, its also why I have such an issue with his total lack of playmaking ability.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

:laugh2: this is comedy. no safety is ever asked to play man coverage according to theo.

Theo's right on that count though. Cover 1, 2 and 3 all have at least 1 safety responsible for a deep zone. It's the FS in most except for the cover 2 where both safeties are responsible for deep zones.

 

[Rampage]

Honestly, you have to wonder if some of you people actually ever watched the game of football. Some of you are so incredibly clueless about the game.

Let me tell you something about football.

FREE SAFETIES DO NOT PLAY MAN COVERAGE. That is called "zero coverage." And no one calls it in the NFL. And when they do, they get their ***** handed to them by the opposing team.

:laugh2: this is comedy. no safety is ever asked to play man coverage according to theo.

It gets called maybe less than 5% of snaps.

:laugh2:

 

[theogt]

lol wut.

Dbair just said that

So since safeties get all their interceptions playing zone and Ken Hamlin plays zone..why does he have 1 int in the last two years with a defense in the top 3 in sacks the last 2 years?

theOWNED

Hamlin plays the same coverages that every other free safety plays in the league. His # of INTs is low because he isn't targeted much.

 

[Rampage]

Theo's right on that count though. Cover 1, 2 and 3 all have at least 1 safety responsible for a deep zone.

he admitted he was wrong already. when teams blitz safeties sometimes are asked to play man coverage. they don't play a zone everytime.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Ah, safeties do play man coverage in the NFL at times.

There is a Bengal safety who doesn't play for the Cowboys anymore because he couldn't cover my grandmother in single coverage.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Hamlin plays the same coverages that every other free safety plays in the league. His # of INTs is low because he isn't targeted much.

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