Seriously, if Jimmy came back

[Kaiser]

See Risen Star's comments.

That would involve me taking Risen Star off ignore, which isn't going to happen. Feel free to make your own comments.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I spent a great deal of time with a website that has all the draft picks for each team and broke down what Jimmy actually did.

I spent the night at a Holiday Inn Express.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I don't think so.

Coming straight out of Miami, he knew the college kids graduating and going to the NFL like the back of his hand. That knowledge helped him greatly in future drafts, especially after the Herschel Walker trade.

He no longer has that insight going for him.

I also don't think he has the drive to succeed he once did. He's pretty happy what he's doing now.

I don't think he had that much of an edge when it came to knowing players coming out of college. He had his fair share of misses in the draft. We had a lot of extra picks that allowed us the opportunity absorb those draft misses. Also keep in mind Irvin was already here and Aikman fell into our laps. So did Emmitt for that matter.

Agree 100% on Jimmy not having the drive. My bet is he doesn't have 1% of the drive he used to.

 

[Kaiser]

An eye for talent can be objectively measured by success rate. He had a tremendous amount of top 100 picks those first few years and hit on less than half of them. That is about average for the league.

Totally agree. His draft record in Miami was exactly that, he had some big hits early in the draft with guys like Patrick Surtain and Jason Taylor, but also some total busts like John Avery and Yatil Green.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

One thing that always gets me is that people who take one side or another ignore the contradictions that have come out of the pissing match between Jones and Johnson.

Johnson says that he was in charge. Jones does too.

“I came into the NFL as the owner and general manager of this team, and one of the first decisions I made in the role of GM was to hire Jimmy as head coach,” he said. “Jimmy and I worked well together. We had great communication, and I have always appreciated what he has done for the organization. I wanted all the input in the world from Jimmy on personnel.

“During Jimmy's tenure, the authority to hire the players was with the GM," Jones continued. "But it was agreed that we wouldn't bring a player into the organization that he didn't approve of. We were a team and it worked very well. In our unique circumstances, where the owner and the GM were the same person, in the case of a disagreement -- which we never had -- the owner had the ultimate authority.”

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...rry-jones-on-gm-claims-during-super-bowl-runs

“That is completely a bunch of crock,” Johnson said. “Jerry started putting all those titles on himself after I left. He didn’t call himself general manager and president and all that stuff when I was there. He was just the owner. Because it was in my contract that I had total responsibility for all football decisions. It was in my contract, and he didn’t allow anybody to have that in their contract after I left.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/07/jimmy-johnson-calls-jerry-jones-g-m-claims-a-crock/

Bias makes the choice easy but wisdom in my mind requires something more like for example the language of the contract.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Totally agree. His draft record in Miami was exactly that, he had some big hits early in the draft with guys like Patrick Surtain and Jason Taylor, but also some total busts like John Avery and Yatil Green.

That draft where he spammed RB was a travesty.

I am with Dalrymple: they needed each other.

 

[TwoDeep3]

There are a few bitter, closed minded folks that travel here.

In the final analysis everyone who posts here is a watcher. Knowledge of facts would require being on the inside.

I judge most of the "Hey look at me, I am right," by that standard.

Life is about being happy. not bitter.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There are a few bitter, closed minded folks that travel here.

In the final analysis everyone who posts here is a watcher. Knowledge of facts would require being on the inside.

I judge most of the "Hey look at me, I am right," by that standard.

Life is about being happy. not bitter.

Life is about whatever you want to make of it. Speak for yourself. Life to me is about leaving behind a better place, improvement and not completely about myself.

You also have a poor notion of my emotional state as I post.

Further, I have stated repeatedly that skepticism is the default and that the 'truth' is often negotiable. This is doubly true when you are dealing with wholistic notions like power and control.

Maybe you should evaluate yourself by your own standard.

For example I think certainty giving Johnson all the credit for personnel decisions to be asinine especially considering the famous pissing contest between the two.

 

[Kaiser]

There are a few bitter, closed minded folks that travel here.

You mean like the guy (i.e. you) who posted this comment two pages back:

"And Garrett is a Milquetoast toast or a moron."

 

[TwoDeep3]

You mean like the guy (i.e. you) who posted this comment two pages back:

"And Garrett is a Milquetoast toast or a moron."

You did read this in my post, right?

This is all speculation on my part,

It appears not.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Life is about whatever you want to make of it. Speak for yourself. Life to me is about leaving behind a better place, improvement and not completely about myself.

You also have a poor notion of my emotional state as I post.

Further, I have stated repeatedly that skepticism is the default and that the 'truth' is often negotiable. This is doubly true when you are dealing with wholistic notions like power and control.

Maybe you should evaluate yourself by your own standard.

For example I think certainty giving Johnson all the credit for personnel decisions to be asinine especially considering the famous pissing contest between the two.

The only thing I expect out of you is a contradiction of something I post. I am not certain when I pissed in your Cherios, and frankly don't give a whit. But you encompass the exact know it all attitude this site made famous. You have been like this for a very long time. I seldom see you agree with others or praise people for their positions.

I could be wrong and readily admit that.

However, after years of reading your posts to me and others, it's pretty difficult getting past the words you proffer.

But luckily for me, you are inconsequential.

Nice seeing you again.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The only thing I expect out of you is a contradiction of something I post. I am not certain when I pissed in your Cherios, and frankly don't give a whit. But you encompass the exact know it all attitude this site made famous. You have been like this for a very long time. I seldom see you agree with others or praise people for their positions.

I could be wrong and readily admit that.

However, after years of reading your posts to me and others, it's pretty difficult getting past the words you proffer.

But luckily for me, you are inconsequential.

Nice seeing you again.

Poor 2deep. I feel terrible for you. I just agreed with Kaiser regarding Jimmy's drafts though. I just have very little common ground with you and as we have discussed before your method for determining truth and what you present as truth is in direct contradiction of mine own.

You keep coming back with the same takes. When you do I say what I say. You are welcome to put me on ignore but as others can attest, I will still respond. I understand that you are not the only one in my audience. To the contrary, for all of your talks about being inconsequential, I see people back me up all the time and very little for you.

I get it though. I am inconsequential to you but that is besides the point. You are demonstrably wrong.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You did read this in my post, right?

This is all speculation on my part,

It appears not.

It's like in Talladega Nights where Ferrell tries prefacing with 'no offense' as if that makes it so.

'Is' is not the verb to use when speculating. Your failure to communicate well is your own.

 

[Kaiser]

Your failure to communicate well is your own.

Pontification actually is a clear form of communication. Just not the one he intended.

 

[theSHOW]

Sure, if you ignore the Alonzo Highsmiths and Danny Stubbs. I don't have to go back and look, I lived through it at the time. Jimmy was great, no question about it. But its become folklore that every good thing that happened was Jimmy and every bad thing that happened was Jerry.

Jimmy is now a legend that won three Super Bowls despite the meddling from Jerry. But as soon as he went to Miami where he had full control and no meddling from Jerry, he completely tanked. Jimmy's draft record you are citing has been covered by others in this thread, it was because he was drafting players he (or his close friends) had played for and/or players he had scouted since High School.

Did Jimmy get "credit" for the 90's Teams 3rd SB even while not coaching?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Did Jimmy get "credit" for the 90's Teams 3rd SB even while not coaching?

It was clear that the first half of SB xxx was Jimmy's team, the players had a little something left.
Then the second half the clock struck midnight and they turned into Ringling bros.

Hasn't been the same since..."dit-dit-ditta-ditta, dit-dit-ditta-ditta, dit-dit-ditta-ditta........."

 

[joseephuss]

It was clear that the first half of SB xxx was Jimmy's team, the players had a little something left.
Then the second half the clock struck midnight and they turned into Ringling bros.

Hasn't been the same since..."dit-dit-ditta-ditta, dit-dit-ditta-ditta, dit-dit-ditta-ditta........."

Dallas was leading 13-7 at halftime and then were leading 20-7 several minutes into the 4th quarter.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Dallas was leading 13-7 at halftime and then were leading 20-7 several minutes into the 4th quarter.

Need a history lesson?

At 13-7 we needed Neil to bail us out. They were moving the all pretty good. 13-7 became 20-7. Thanks Neil/Larry.

Again, at 20-7, we needed Neil to bail us out again. 20-7 became 27-7.

Stealers scored 10 points in last quarter.

Without those ints we could have lost 31-13 or 24-20.
Don't tell me you weren't thinking that or weren't worried while that was happening.

 

[zrinkill]

There are a few bitter, closed minded folks that travel here.

Starting with you and your partner

 

[TwoDeep3]

Starting with you and your partner

What makes this statement by you ironic is the results of the team over the last four years.