News: Several Former Cowboys make pre-lim list of HOF Nominees

[cml750]

List of Modern-Era Nominees for the Class of 2015
*Finalist in 2014; First-year eligibles underlined -

Daryl Johnston
Herschel Walker (also KR)
*Charles Haley (also LB)
Everson Walls (CB),
Darren Woodson (S)
Jimmy Johnson

See more at: http://www.profootballhof.com/enshr...inees-for-class-of-2015/#sthash.PE5ZfQl9.dpuf

Thanks for the update but unfortunately being an ex-Cowboy usually gives HOF nominees two strikes against them before the process ever starts.

 

[KJJ]

Emmitt is just falling for the okie doke. People like swimming in the shallow waters, I like the deep end of the pool.I remember when Carter was snubbed early in the process, I believe it was the factor back(Hoge) who questioned was it his off field issues being used against him. No!!!

Again you're giving an opinion and this entire discussion is based on opinion. Character and how a player is viewed as a person can play a role in keeping them out of the HOF and it can certainly keep them off a football team. Do you honestly believe OJ Simpson would be in the HOF had he gone through his issues prior to his induction? It will be interesting to see what affect Adrian Beaterson's (and no that's not a typo) off the field child abuse allegations will have on the committee when he's eligible for the HOF.

He's a slam dunk first ballot Hall of Famer but if this issue goes to trial and he's found guilty he may never get into the HOF. We've seen in baseball a great player like Pete Rose be permanently banned from the baseball HOF for gambling on baseball. The NFL HOF committee won't admit it but you have to figure there's members that have biases and are swayed by personal feelings and how a player has carried themselves off the field. Off the field issues hurts a players team and their reputation.

 

[KJJ]

Did his off field crap(your word) cost him a vote or two? Sure. It could've.

The fact you're admitting his off the field issues could have cost him some votes shows even you think there's possibly some members of the committee that take a players off the field transgressions into account when casting their vote.

 

[joseephuss]

When Michael Irvin retired he was second in playoff receptions and second in playoff receiving yards. He has since dropped to fourth in playoff receptions, but remains second in playoff receiving yards. Those are first ballot Hall of Fame numbers.

 

[Rob Mexico]

Haley deserves to be in. Woodson maybe.

 

[Gameover]

Unless it's strictly based on Superbowl appearances, how does Haley with his 100.5 sacks get in ahead of Kevin Greene and his 160 sacks?

I'm not a voter, ask them. How did Aikman make it with pedestrian numbers? I think Greene is viewed as one deminsional.

 

[Gameover]

Find an article from someone who shares your opinion on Irvin and Haley's HOF omissions. You claim they didn't have the production to get in sooner and I'm not buying that. There's many besides Emmitt who think Irvin's off the field issues caused him to have to wait for enshrinement. You mentioned Irvin's regular season numbers but I doubt many if any of the pass catchers who got voted into the HOF ahead of him had the postseason numbers or contributed to the number of championships he did. During the postseason/SB Irvin produced 105 catches for 1319 yards and 8 TD's. That would be a Pro Bowl season for most WR's in todays pass happy league. In the Cowboys 92 SB win over Buffalo Irvin had 6 catches for 114 yards and 2 TD's.

During the postseason in 94 Irvin had 12 catches for 192 yards and 2 TD's vs SF with arguably the greatest cover corner in the history of the game Deion Sanders draped all over him. The week prior he had 6 catches for 111 yards vs GB. Irvin had 6 hundred yard games during the postseason. Postseason numbers and championships is what got Lynn Swann voted into the HOF or do you think it was his regular season numbers that finally got him the nod? Swann's postseason numbers weren't nearly as good as Irvin's. Swann put up 41 catches for 893 yards and 9 TD's during the postseason/SB. Say what you will but Irvin should have gotten voted in by at least his second year of eligibility.

Irvin is my all time favorite athlete, you don't have to sell me. I can be a tremendous fan of someone and also be realistic at the same time, something these Dez Bryant marks can't do. I said third ballot is a great spot for Irvin, I bet he would agree, never said he didn't belong.

And people believe many things that simply aren't true, Irvin being punished by the committee for his off field behavior happens to be another untruth believed by too many.

 

[Gameover]

Find an article claiming Haley is a "borderline" HOF candidate. You're going to have a difficult time finding anyone who shares that opinion.

I don't need an article, the fact he hasn't gotten in after all these years, proves he's borderline. And he's not being snubbed because of the type person he was as a player. Is it easier to believe in these conspiracies than it is to believe the committee just doesn't believe he's worthy or someone else is more worthy?

 

[KJJ]

I don't need an article, the fact he hasn't gotten in after all these years, proves he's borderline. And he's not being snubbed because of the type person he was as a player. Is it easier to believe in these conspiracies than it is to believe the committee just doesn't believe he's worthy or someone else is more worthy?

If you're going to say Haley was a "borderline" Hall of Famer then you should provide an article with at least someone who shares your opinion to give it some validity. Every year Haley gets snubbed and there's plenty of chatter as to why but nothing to suggest it's because he was a "borderline" Hall of Fame player.

 

[joseephuss]

It is too bad that Herschel Walker played three years in the USFL or he probably could have played enough in the NFL to make the HoF. He probably wouldn't have been a Dallas Cowboy had he gone straight to the NFL, but I think he would have had a stellar career.

 

[KJJ]

Irvin is my all time favorite athlete, you don't have to sell me. I can be a tremendous fan of someone and also be realistic at the same time, something these Dez Bryant marks can't do. I said third ballot is a great spot for Irvin, I bet he would agree, never said he didn't belong.

And people believe many things that simply aren't true, Irvin being punished by the committee for his off field behavior happens to be another untruth believed by too many.

There's not many who post here who's more realistic than I am and based on Irvin's regular season numbers, postseason numbers which are some of the best ever for a WR and 3 rings I believe he should have been voted in on the first ballot and no later than the second ballot. What hurt him on the second ballot in my opinion was Aikman being eligible. I don't think the committee wanted to enshrine 2 Cowboy players who played together in the same HOF class. I haven't researched it but I can't remember 2 players who played together on the same team ever getting voted into the HOF in the same year.

 

[joseephuss]

There's not many who post here who's more realistic than I am and based on Irvin's regular season numbers, postseason numbers which are some of the best ever for a WR and 3 rings I believe he should have been voted in on the first ballot and no later than the second ballot. What hurt him on the second ballot in my opinion was Aikman being eligible. I don't think the committee wanted to enshrine 2 Cowboy players who played together in the same HOF class. I haven't researched it but I can't remember 2 players who played together on the same team ever getting voted into the HOF in the same year.

Off the top of my head Troy Aikman and Rayfield Wright went in the same year and Franco Harris and Jack Lambert went in the same year. edit: Sorry, my bad. Obviously Aikman and Wright didn't play at the same time for Dallas.

 

[KJJ]

Off the top of my head Troy Aikman and Rayfield Wright went in the same year and Franco Harris and Jack Lambert went in the same year. edit: Sorry, my bad. Obviously Aikman and Wright didn't play at the same time for Dallas.

Yeah I was referring to a couple of players who played together. Only figures the Steelers would have a couple enshrined the same year. They had a number of HOF players from the 70's including 4 players who came out of their 74 draft class. Wish the Cowboys could have a draft class like that in the next couple of years.

 

[Gameover]

There's not many who post here who's more realistic than I am and based on Irvin's regular season numbers, postseason numbers which are some of the best ever for a WR and 3 rings I believe he should have been voted in on the first ballot and no later than the second ballot. What hurt him on the second ballot in my opinion was Aikman being eligible. I don't think the committee wanted to enshrine 2 Cowboy players who played together in the same HOF class. I haven't researched it but I can't remember 2 players who played together on the same team ever getting voted into the HOF in the same year.

Lott and Montana went in together. Maybe they thought Moon and white were more worthy and Carson had waited long enough? Remember, there was only 4 spots for the modern day candidates ,that year.

Three 9ers went in that year.

 

[big dog cowboy]

How did Aikman make it with pedestrian numbers?

Because getting into the HOF is more than just numbers. A concept you don't seem to be able to grasp.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Irvin being punished by the committee for his off field behavior happens to be another untruth believed by too many.

That one seals the deal for me. You are clearly in the minority. But if that is your opinion so be it.

 

[KB1122]

The problem is that sooner or later they're going to have to put more nineties Cowboys in or have a severe credibility problem because they've put so many Bills in. Woodson might not normally make it, but he will eventually, I think.

 

[tyke1doe]

Do people research these things or do they just whine, when "their guy" doesn't get in? I believe third ballot is the proper spot for Michael!

A lil knowledge....http://www.footballperspective.com/2013-pro-football-hall-of-fame-class/

First, who is "my" guy?

Second, who is whining?

Third, you would do well to heed your own advice about doing your own research before chiding others. http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...-continues-to-puzzle-ex-cowboys-teammates.ece

I'll let Aikman, Jimmy Johnson and Irvin speak for me, thank you.

 

[tyke1doe]

Find an article from someone who shares your opinion on Irvin and Haley's HOF omissions. You claim they didn't have the production to get in sooner and I'm not buying that. There's many besides Emmitt who think Irvin's off the field issues caused him to have to wait for enshrinement. You mentioned Irvin's regular season numbers but I doubt many if any of the pass catchers who got voted into the HOF ahead of him had the postseason numbers or contributed to the number of championships he did. During the postseason/SB Irvin produced 105 catches for 1319 yards and 8 TD's. That would be a Pro Bowl season for most WR's in todays pass happy league. In the Cowboys 92 SB win over Buffalo Irvin had 6 catches for 114 yards and 2 TD's.

During the postseason in 94 Irvin had 12 catches for 192 yards and 2 TD's vs SF with arguably the greatest cover corner in the history of the game Deion Sanders draped all over him. The week prior he had 6 catches for 111 yards vs GB. Irvin had 6 hundred yard games during the postseason. Postseason numbers and championships is what got Lynn Swann voted into the HOF or do you think it was his regular season numbers that finally got him the nod? Swann's postseason numbers weren't nearly as good as Irvin's. Swann put up 41 catches for 893 yards and 9 TD's during the postseason/SB. Say what you will but Irvin should have gotten voted in by at least his second year of eligibility.

Even Irvin surmised that he didn't get in because of his past transgressions.

And as a former journalist/reporter, I can tell you for certain that journalists act differently towards sources they get along with versus sources that are difficult. I know he's scorned around these parts, but I like this column by JJT. http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story...patience-be-pro-football-hall-fame-eventually

 

[KJJ]

Lott and Montana went in together. Maybe they thought Moon and white were more worthy and Carson had waited long enough? Remember, there was only 4 spots for the modern day candidates ,that year.

Three 9ers went in that year.

So there's at least 2 sets of players who played together and were inducted into the same HOF class. Both sets of players played for dynasties. Would have been nice to see Aikman and Irvin go in together but Rayfield Wright being apart of that 07 class would have been too many Cowboys for the committees liking especially if you listen to FANS here who think the HOF is biased against the Cowboys.