Twitter: Shannon Sharpe: “Ceedee has been a WR far too long to make blunders likes these”

[MountaineerCowboy]

I mean the only certainty is Ceedee ran the wrong route. Trying to predict what would’ve happened after is complete imagination. Can’t have a debate on a prediction brotha.

I can just as easily say Ceedee would’ve beat the safety to the ball, made him whiff, and housed it. Happy?

Probably not lol but if we agree that Ceedee messed up the route I’m not gonna trip on what you think would’ve happened next. It’s just speculation at that point so no one is right or wrong.

You could, but then you'd have to ignore the safety breaking before Dak was finished even winding up.

I agree that CeeDee probably messed up there, but I also believe Dak made a bad decision. I believe both things can be true.

 

[khiladi]

Again, Lamb ran an option route, but there are other WRs on the field. Why does Dallas need to scrap the play, when a good QB would have thrown the ball to the wide open WR who beat his defender on outside leverage on the left side for of the QB. Easy TD after drawing the outside safety in with Lamb being the first read?

 

[America's Cowboy]

Unless CeeDee breaks like 5 yards off the route that's going to be an INT. Dak stared him down and there's evidence that the safety broke before Dak even finished winding up the pass.

**ding ding ding!!!**

The light bulb finally came on!

I was waiting for one of you Dak haters to finally realize what CeeDee should have done instead with his route. When there are 2 LBs hovering inside but falling back 7+ yards in mid-ground coverage while a Safety is covering the middle-deep, a receiver needs to cut that 8-10 yard route before cutting behind the LBs and instead cut across a yard or two sooner in order to get in between the LBs and in front of the Safety. Had CeeDee done that, he would have caught that ball open in the middle between but just past both LBs while also in front of the Safety covering mid-deep.

The same concept should have been applied by CeeDee during the first interception in the endzone. That's the best and quicket way to beat those coverages while helping out your QB and giving you the best chance to catch and run with the ball. This hesitation, hovering and trying to run deep when the play is a quick-timed pass is never going to work. It's only going to lead to Interceptions, which is what actually happened both times.

This in-game slight route alteration runs is what CeeDee should be working with Dak and their coaches over and over in practice.

 

[Creeper]

Can somebody explain HOW does the LB who has disguised coverage know not only to drop back, but positioned himself closer inside and Dak be oblivious to it? Can somebody point out at what yardage point can Lamb possibly flatten his route across the safety’s face?

It was 3rd and 10. All the LBs dropped back to the 1st down yardage to keep the play in front of them.

But I do have 1 question, let's say CeeDee did what all the experts are saying he should have done, let's say he flattens the route and cuts underneath the safety. What happens if Dak throws that same pass? First CeeDee has a LB who has him inside and underneath. But he also has the safety who sees Dak throw the ball and he comes down to defend the pass. Chances are that pass is defended anyway. Maybe CeeDee gets killed by the safety coming down on him. Dak threw an anticipation pass but what was he anticipating? That CeeDee would be wide open? That was not going to happen. The only open receiver was a TE who came off a block and ran a short route. He was wide open but I do not think he could have gotten the first down because I think it was Schultz who can't run. Dak took a chance on 3rd and 10. If CeeDee cuts underneath it's probably incomplete, but not intercepted at least.

One note on the play, why have Schultz run a short route on 3rd and 10? If the LBs follows CeeDee, why not run inside and underneath instead of cutting the route off at the LOS? Also, why Schultz and not Hendershot? On that same play, if Hendershot get the pass 1 yard deep, he has a much better chance of avoiding the LB and getting 10 yards than Schultz, if that was Schultz.

One problem Dak falls into at times it to lock in on 1 receiver. When he spreads the ball around and get the ball to the open receiver he and the offense are much better off.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

**ding ding ding!!!**

The light bulb finally came on!

I was waiting for one of you Dak haters to finally realize what CeeDee should have done instead with his route. When there are 2 LBs hovering inside but falling back 7+ yards in mid-ground coverage while a Safety is covering the middle-deep, a receiver needs to cut that 8-10 yard route before cutting behind the LBs and instead cut across a yard or two sooner in order to get in between the LBs and in front of the Safety. Had CeeDee done that, he would have caught that ball open in the middle between but just past both LBs while also in front of the Safety covering mid-deep.

The same concept should have been applied by CeeDee during the first interception in the endzone. That's the best and quicket way to beat those coverages while helping out your QB and giving you the best chance to catch and run with the ball. This hesitation, hovering and trying to run deep when the play is a quick-timed pass is never going to work. It's only going to lead to Interceptions, which is what actually happened both times.

This in-game slight route alteration runs is what CeeDee should be working with Dak and their coaches over and over in practice.

Okay.

CeeDee didn't do that though.

So, why did Dak still throw the pass to him? Should Dak not have recognized that CeeDee didn't break in front of everyone and either throw it away or go somewhere else?

 

[Doomsday]

You guys are arguing about whether it is Dak's fault or Lamb's fault should consider they both screwed up on the play.

Lamb should have flattened out his route, something he is guilty of a bit too much at times and Dak made a terrible read.

 

[Miller]

If CeeDee does what people say he should've done that ball is still INT'd.

The safety was breaking before Dak finished his windup because he was staring down CeeDee the whole time.

Save your breathe. CeeDee ran a wrong route but the ball was into coverage whether a dig or post. Dak gets the same excuses Garrett got as a coach. Never their fault. Reality is we have lazy players and in this case both guys made bad plays

 

[rambo2]

Another ex player saying this. Yet we have guys here who probably have never played a down of football in their lives talking about how its on Dak. This is also a guy who is not a Dak fan. At all.

Mountain Eagle played 2 days in middle school.

 

[khiladi]

the packers knew the play and Dak didn’t recognize the coverage and threw into it anyway

they baited Dakota and he fell for it hook, line and sinker

EXACTLY.. it’s the same type of things defenses did after Denver. Show a defender in the box and drop back in coverage. They stopped blitzing as well and forced Dak to become a passer.

Remember when Dak challenged other defenses to do what Denver did. It’s the same excuses Dak makes year in and year out. I guess Amari also was not on the same page. And Dez. And Beasley…

“Just getting on the same page with your receivers, communicating,” the 28-year-old quarterback said Sunday of what it generally takes to fix passing-game issues. “Obviously, the film study and all that comes into play, but just making sure that we’re expecting the same thing when they go out for a route or when they see a certain defenses… It starts with the communication. Starts with all of our guys being on the same page. All eleven being on the same page with coaches and what they are expecting and looking for. Then executing, simple as that: executing our one job that creates the whole play that makes it keep going.”

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/2021/12/14/cowboys-coaches-slump-dak-prescott-stats/

 

[Denim Chicken]

but its true, to a man this team deserves it and needs to own it. Its always the same wether its a high flying Cowboys team or a ball control one...they have got to stop spitting the bit in games that matter..Coaches, players all of them

All the games matter. This Greenbay game was not more important than the Chicago game, for example. So we go undefeated every year? That seems to be the expectation.

 

[Creeper]

Again, Lamb ran an option route, but there are other WRs on the field. Why does Dallas need to scrap the play, when a good QB would have thrown the ball to the wide open WR who beat his defender on outside leverage on the left side for of the QB. Easy TD after drawing the outside safety in with Lamb being the first read?

Because Dak falls into ruts when he zeroes in on one or two receivers. This is why of 43 targets 30 were 3 receivers. 36 at 4 receivers. 4 other receivers had a total of 7 targets.

I don't know how many pressures Green Bay had but it seems they got in Dak's face a lot. Maybe that's why he wasn't scanning the entire field.

 

[817Gill]

You could, but then you'd have to ignore the safety breaking before Dak was finished even winding up.

I agree that CeeDee probably messed up there, but I also believe Dak made a bad decision. I believe both things can be true.

I see that, a more rational explanation. I still think that pass could’ve definitely been completed but again no one is right or wrong with that because we just don’t know.

I will say Dak since Kitna being his QB coach/first year with Moore has been taught to be more aggressive. And though it can work in our favor at times, it usually is not the best way for him to play.

Dude is a natural point guard type QB. Let him play off of the run game and spread the ball around and he’ll make plays in rhythm. Ask him to throw 40+ passes and dice up defenses week in and week out and you’re going to be floating around .500

And before you say, “then when are we paying him” keep in mind that what I just said is true for everyone not named Mahomes. Even Josh Allen can’t do it alone no matter how talented he is, they’ve put way too much on his shoulders in terms of the offenses success being solely dictated on him being fantastic.

Until some sort of middle class QB contract is established (which won’t happen until there is a larger supply of QB’s to meet demand), anyone in top 14ish territory will get a market setting deal even though only 2/3 “deserve it”. Nature of the beast.

 

[stilltheguru]

I'm disappointed that Dak didn't say it was on him in public. He's a loser to me.

 

[khiladi]

Because Dak falls into ruts when he zeroes in on one or two receivers. This is why of 43 targets 30 were 3 receivers. 36 at 4 receivers. 4 other receivers had a total of 7 targets.

I don't know how many pressures Green Bay had but it seems they got in Dak's face a lot. Maybe that's why he wasn't scanning the entire field.

One article pointed out in Denver, it has more to do with baiting Dak than anything else. They disguise run and drop back into coverage. In this case, just watch the LB.

 

[boysfanperiod]

Ignored.

I have to commend you. You were more than patient with him.

 

[links18]

This entire discussion is juvenile and stupid. Lamb absolutely failed tondo his job and run the route correctly across the safety's face. That's on him. That said, Dak has much better options on that play than throwing the ball into a crowded middle of the field. Sometimes you take the dump off.

 

[khiladi]

It was 3rd and 10. All the LBs dropped back to the 1st down yardage to keep the play in front of them.

But I do have 1 question, let's say CeeDee did what all the experts are saying he should have done, let's say he flattens the route and cuts underneath the safety. What happens if Dak throws that same pass? First CeeDee has a LB who has him inside and underneath. But he also has the safety who sees Dak throw the ball and he comes down to defend the pass. Chances are that pass is defended anyway. Maybe CeeDee gets killed by the safety coming down on him. Dak threw an anticipation pass but what was he anticipating? That CeeDee would be wide open? That was not going to happen. The only open receiver was a TE who came off a block and ran a short route. He was wide open but I do not think he could have gotten the first down because I think it was Schultz who can't run. Dak took a chance on 3rd and 10. If CeeDee cuts underneath it's probably incomplete, but not intercepted at least.

One note on the play, why have Schultz run a short route on 3rd and 10? If the LBs follows CeeDee, why not run inside and underneath instead of cutting the route off at the LOS? Also, why Schultz and not Hendershot? On that same play, if Hendershot get the pass 1 yard deep, he has a much better chance of avoiding the LB and getting 10 yards than Schultz, if that was Schultz.

One problem Dak falls into at times it to lock in on 1 receiver. When he spreads the ball around and get the ball to the open receiver he and the offense are much better off.

Kurt Warner broke this play down in the all-22. Look
At the bottom WR. He beats his man on outside leverage within 5 yards off the snap on a go route. Dak is fixated on Lamb, which also draws the outside safety in cover 3 INSIDE. All Dak had to do is take that go route option and if you look at it, probably a huge TD. They knew Dak was fixated on Lamb.

 

[Jstopper]

And BTW, a option route is dictated by the NEAREST defender, in this case the LB. Settling in a zone can be an option route. Lamb couldn’t flatten his route more, because of the LB, but he still ran a post route. It’s the LINEBACKER that disrupts the route and Dak has been exposed ever since Denver to even those on the fence in this regards.

Further, the option route is supposed to be thrown BEFORE the WR makes his break and that didn’t happen.

Dak just chucked it without giving due weight to the fact this wasn’t offensive reps and actual defenders were on the field. The defense knew exactly what Dak was doing.

“Let’s just throw it on my first read and even then, late, every time” Dak.. Dak throws its well after the break on this simple slant.

That isnt even Dak that’s TONY ROMO in your GIF holy ****

 

[America's Cowboy]

Okay.

CeeDee didn't do that though.

So, why did Dak still throw the pass to him? Should Dak not have recognized that CeeDee didn't break in front of everyone and either throw it away or go somewhere else?

Because it's a quickly timed play where CeeDee is the main target and would have worked if CeeDee ran a better route. Receivers have the option to make slight changes in their routes as long as they get to the targeted area. That's where proper repetitions in practice come in. The receiver has to see what the QB sees pre-snap and during the initial first seconds once the ball is snapped. Regardless, rule #1 for any receiver is to always make sure to run in front of any mid-deep Safety or DB during any mid-deep pass play.

 

[khiladi]

That isnt even Dak that’s TONY ROMO in your GIF holy ****

I must admit, it’s probably my biggest mistake on this forum ever. Ball was still delivered late after the break.