Shawn Andrews is battling depression (or not?)

[iceberg]

I really don't know why I'm trying to have an intelligent discussion with you, so I'll keep this short...

Plenty of people do cope with depression and live productive lives in spite of it. Plenty of people use it as a crutch.

Comparing cancer (which physically kills people) to depression is about as ridiculous as you can get.

not if you suffer from it.

 

[juck]

I really don't know why I'm trying to have an intelligent discussion with you, so I'll keep this short...

Plenty of people do cope with depression and live productive lives in spite of it. Plenty of people use it as a crutch.

Comparing cancer (which physically kills people) to depression is about as ridiculous as you can get.

Does suicide kill?
Plenty of people may seem to cope then run for the bottle or anger comes out from untreated depression.Everything may look ok on the outside.Look dude Im not fighting with u dont wanna namecall i apologize.All I am saying is that for some its a real clinical situation.As far as Andrews I dont know.

 

[iceberg]

Does suicide kill?

only if you get it right.

 

[juck]

only if you get it right.

nice thing to joke about.wow.

 

[Kilyin]

not if you suffer from it.

Depression? How do you know that I don't? Awful lot of assuming going on here.

 

[AbeBeta]

Real clinical depression is one of the most misdiagnosed conditions in existance. You're trying to compare depression to cancer? Please, do get a grip and some grasp on reality.

Unless you're a psychiatric professional that's had enough personal and professional interaction with Mr. Andrews to make an informed diagnosis, then you really don't have a semblance of a clue what you're talking about. And even if you were, when dealing with psychological disorders, there is always a high margin for error.

New name, same repetitive idiocy.. congratulations.

First, I never spoke specifically to Andrews' condition. Only noting that in general, your perspective was ignorant.

Second, depression is like cancer in that both ARE physical. Your advice was pretty much to suck it up and not be depressed. Unless YOU are a psychiatric professional, you should probably zip it and quit the Tom Cruise imitation.

 

[juck]

First, I never spoke specifically to Andrews' condition. Only noting that in general, your perspective was ignorant.

Second, depression is like cancer in that both ARE physical. Your advice was pretty much to suck it up and not be depressed. Unless YOU are a psychiatric professional, you should probably zip it and quit the Tom Cruise imitation.

Thank you

 

[Boysboy]

There's also a rumor floating around how Andrews is gay, and got ostracized by his teammates for being so.

Here's a pic that's been floating around the web...

http://i60.***BLOCKED***/albums/h7/vinrock23/Parties015.jpg

 

[Kilyin]

First, I never spoke specifically to Andrews' condition. Only noting that in general, your perspective was ignorant.

Second, depression is like cancer in that both ARE physical. Your advice was pretty much to suck it up and not be depressed. Unless YOU are a psychiatric professional, you should probably zip it and quit the Tom Cruise imitation.

You deal in semantics and gross generalizations. I never said mental illness doesn't exist, my argument is that it's completely overdiagnosed and in a lot of cases misdiagnosed.

I highly doubt this guy is clinically depressed, and if he is, he should have no problem producing a signed document from his physician or psychiatrist and having his training camp absences excused. Sure doesn't sound like that's the case though.

There are things you can do to cope with and live with depression, be it drugs or lifestyle changes, or both. With cancer, either the chemo/surgery works, or you die. The 'diseases' are nothing alike and comparing them is apples to oranges.

 

[PosterChild]

There's also a rumor floating around how Andrews is gay, and got ostracized by his teammates for being so.

Here's a pic that's been floating around the web...

http://i60.***BLOCKED***/albums/h7/vinrock23/Parties015.jpg

LOL....I guess there are a slew of depressive and presumably repressive gay NFL players because, well, check this out, dude

http://profile.*******.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=12777810

I see that social network site is blocked here. Didn't realize it. Anyway, take my word for it this cat has a MS pg with a slew of NFL guys he posing with. He's just a groupie. Calls himself a Promoter/Licensed (thank heavens he can be trusted, he licensed) Mortgage Banker. And likely not gay.

 

[bbgun]

He can do better than that guy. That haircut alone will keep the rumors alive.

 

[Vintage]

only if you get it right.

ZING!



Or how about "only if you don't fail" or "only if you aren't too stupid to do it right."

Either works, really.

 

[PosterChild]

He can do better than that guy. That haircut alone will keep the rumors alive.

To be fair to these baseless and scurrilous allegations of his gayness, Andrews should lose the earring/scarf because it certainly doesn't help his case.

 

[bbgun]

To be fair to these baseless and scurrilous allegations of his gayness, Andrews should lose the earring/scarf because it certainly doesn't help his case.

Wearing a scarf doesn't automatically make you gay. It just puts you in some very suspicious company.

http://img158.*************/img158/8064/reillyqc5.jpg

 

[VietCowboy]

just so people know, I am in no way a license clinical psychologist, but I do research and am studying for it. The biggest problems I see with drugs, especially SSRI, is it is used as a quick fix me. You will never get better unless you try to deal with the underlying causes/stressors/problems.

Actually, believe it or not, SSRIs treat A LOT of problems, not just depression. so to say depression is mainly a chemical imbalance is in my opinion false, since even "normal" people who take them feel better. Sure, I do think some clinically depressed people definitely may have MORE imbalances - less inhibitors, less receptors for serotonin, less serotonin, etc. but to use drugs as the only treatment, I don't think people are truly getting better, just relieved during the time they are taking the drugs. YESSS, absolutely, research shows far and above drugs alone is better than say talk therapy or cognitive-behavioral therapy alone, but the MOST effective is doing all three, which unfortunately is quite costly and many insurance don't cover them all...

 

[Boysboy]

just so people know, I am in no way a license clinical psychologist, but I do research and am studying for it. The biggest problems I see with drugs, especially SSRI, is it is used as a quick fix me. You will never get better unless you try to deal with the underlying causes/stressors/problems.

Actually, believe it or not, SSRIs treat A LOT of problems, not just depression. so to say depression is mainly a chemical imbalance is in my opinion false, since even "normal" people who take them feel better. Sure, I do think some clinically depressed people definitely may have MORE imbalances - less inhibitors, less receptors for serotonin, less serotonin, etc. but to use drugs as the only treatment, I don't think people are truly getting better, just relieved during the time they are taking the drugs. YESSS, absolutely, research shows far and above drugs alone is better than say talk therapy or cognitive-behavioral therapy alone, but the MOST effective is doing all three, which unfortunately is quite costly and many insurance don't cover them all...

Medication isn't BAD per se, but it's alot like when a young child uses water wings while learning to swim.

So just like a child will use water wings initially, then slowly but surely learn to swim without them...medication is the same way-while they are taking it, they follow a treatment plan(both talk AND behavior therapy outside of visits). And while they are working and progressing in their outside behavior therapy, they can slowly but surely decrease the amounts of their meds.

 

[VietCowboy]

Medication isn't BAD per se, but it's alot like when a young child uses water wings while learning to swim.

So just like a child will use water wings initially, then slowly but surely learn to swim without them...medication is the same way-while they are taking it, they follow a treatment plan(both talk AND behavior therapy outside of visits). And while they are working and progressing in their outside behavior therapy, they can slowly but surely decrease the amounts of their meds.

it is just that a lot of times, insurance companies do not pay out for enough talk sessions. it is quicker and cheaper for meds. you might feel better, but if you don't deal with what caused it in the first place, I don't believe you are truly better. that's why 50% of people who had it end up getting it again.

 

[AbeBeta]

You deal in semantics and gross generalizations. I never said mental illness doesn't exist, my argument is that it's completely overdiagnosed and in a lot of cases misdiagnosed.

I highly doubt this guy is clinically depressed, and if he is, he should have no problem producing a signed document from his physician or psychiatrist and having his training camp absences excused. Sure doesn't sound like that's the case though.

There are things you can do to cope with and live with depression, be it drugs or lifestyle changes, or both. With cancer, either the chemo/surgery works, or you die. The 'diseases' are nothing alike and comparing them is apples to oranges.

And with a major depression either the drugs work or you stay depressed and get worse and worse. People with depression of that sort have far shorter lives - be it from suicide or issues that come with the disease. Both are physical issues - it is clear that you refuse to acknowledge that.

You can "highly doubt" he is clinically depressed but it is moronic attitudes that claim that folks need to suck it up that lead people to never seek help for a DISEASE that can be treated.

And again, unless you are a professional, you should keep your arm chair diagnoses to yourself.

 

[AbeBeta]

There's also a rumor floating around how Andrews is gay, and got ostracized by his teammates for being so.

I'd hope that players in the 21st century would support a player, especially one as dominant as Andrews - regardless of who he slept with.

 

[Boysboy]

I'd hope that players in the 21st century would support a player, especially one as dominant as Andrews - regardless of who he slept with.

It's probably not true-however, during his AWOL time, just tons of rumors started floating around, some of which were started by EMB members with nothing else to do.

Just imagine if TO or Bennett went AWOL out of the blue...