Should we trade Leary in the offseason

[Junglist]

I'll never knock a player for going after the cash.

Me either, unless you lie and say it's about the opportunity to win a Super Bowl.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Collins played LT at LSU at a high level for two seasons. How exactly would him playing RT be a disaster?

Exactly! Whoever said he would be a disaster doesn't have a clue. We are at 4-8. What harm would it do to try him there for a couple games? Only one way to find out.

 

[Joe Realist]

no, need depth and maybe he can play tackle.

 

[Kaiser]

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2015/05/28/la’el-collins-starting-out-right-tackle-eager-get-acclimated

I'm not going to sift through all the Broaddus reports and the find the one where he talked about Collins struggles at RT. But Collins is a guard in the NFL and that's where he'll be staying unless there is an emergency.

Did you actually read that article? Its about OTA's, not training camp or preseason. It says the Cowboys are "confident he can handle RT" and the worst thing it says about him was he had "ups and downs". In other words, it backs up my point and not yours.

And if you search on Broaddus articles the only thing you find is the May scouting reports from Broaddus and Brugler, both of him say he might end up at OT or OG -

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2...-collins’-strength-comparing-scouting-reports

 

[Manwiththeplan]

no, need depth and maybe he can play tackle.

Leary? no he can not play Tackle

fwiw, I'd deal him for the right price, but he has less value now than he did a year ago.

 

[mattjames2010]

Did you actually read that article? Its about OTA's, not training camp or preseason. It says the Cowboys are "confident he can handle RT" and the worst thing it says about him was he had "ups and downs". In other words, it backs up my point and not yours.

And if you search on Broaddus articles the only thing you find is the May scouting reports from Broaddus and Brugler, both of him say he might end up at OT or OG -

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2015/05/07/broaddus-brugler-point-collins’-strength-comparing-scouting-reports

First off, I sent you that link because it sounded as though you were questioning if we tried him out at RT. I didn't say that article mentioned Collins not impressing at RT.

What you are linking to is from the beginning of May, that is literally 3 weeks BEFORE the article I posted. They started testing Collins at Guard in June. Again, I'm not sifting through every Broaddus report looking for this, I remember what I read and he was struggling.

If you don't want to believe that, fine. You can go look through the reports. Remember this - One, Leary was coming off a near pro-bowl year. Free was injured and on a cheap 2 year contract, the Cowboys would have LOVED to have seen Collins impress at RT because that was a bigger NEED at the time. Free was coming off injury, our backups were injured, and you're here thinking Collins was capable at RT?

He's not a RT in the NFL. End of story.

 

[Kaiser]

If you don't want to believe that, fine. You can go look through the reports.

I did. They prove my point and disprove yours.

 

[Kaiser]

He's not a RT in the NFL. End of story.

Tyron Smith wasn't a LT in his first year in the NFL. End of story.

 

[mattjames2010]

Tyron Smith wasn't a LT in his first year in the NFL. End of story.

How is this even relevant? We drafted Tyron Smith to be our future at LT, that was always the plan. We gave him a year to adjust to the NFL and then gave him the LT in 2012. Collins was signed with a history of playing tackle in college, but he doesn't have the size or the skillset to play LT in the NFL. So, it's RT which we tested him at. What we know is this, his ceiling is very high at the guard position, the same as it is with Martin. The talk of putting Collins at RT is just as ridiculous as the few posters stating we should put Martin at RT.

 

[mattjames2010]

I did. They prove my point and disprove yours.

You gave me a link to his scouting report, we are not discussing college here. I post a link where it said Collins was having ups and downs at RT - he was then placed at guard a week later and has never been placed at RT again.

I'm waiting for you to provide a good reason he should get a shot at RT outside of his position in college.

 

[Kaiser]

How is this even relevant?

Because the team has a history - with current players - of easing a rookie OL into the position that makes for the easiest transition and then moving them to another position.

You keep saying Collins was tried at RT and failed. That is complete nonsense, he got some time there in OTA's while Free was out. There is absolutely nothing anywhere backing up your statement that Collins struggled at RT.

 

[Kaiser]

You gave me a link to his scouting report, we are not discussing college here. I post a link where it said Collins was having ups and downs at RT - he was then placed at guard a week later and has never been placed at RT again.

I'm waiting for you to provide a good reason he should get a shot at RT outside of his position in college.

How about the scouting reports on him? How about the direct quotes of his Head Coach in the article that YOU posted?

In the same sentence that said Collins had "ups and downs" it also said he "showcased the talent that made him a first round consideration" at RT.



IRVING, Texas – His position flex has been touted from the beginning, and the Cowboys are certainly putting La’el Collins’ versatility to the test early on.

With the first week of Organized Team Activities concluding Thursday, Collins is wrapping up his first week of NFL practices, and all of them have come at the entirely foreign position of right tackle. It’s a job the Cowboys are confident the rookie can handle, but there’s quite a few differences for Collins – who spent his entire college career on the left side of the line.

That goes against the common logic that Collins might compete for the left guard spot, but Cowboys coach Jason Garrett said Collins’ spot is far from determined. On the team’s OTA roster, the LSU product is listed as an offensive lineman, rather than specifically a guard or tackle.

“We see him as a guy who can maybe do both of those things as he goes,” Garrett said. “The big thing for him is to try to get him acclimated as quickly as he can. So right now he’s going to play right tackle for us.”

Collins had his share of ups and downs on Wednesday, as he showcased the talent that made him a first-round consideration, while also coping with the growing pains of a position switch – not to mention the transition to NFL football.

 

[mattjames2010]

Because the team has a history - with current players - of easing a rookie OL into the position that makes for the easiest transition and then moving them to another position.

You keep saying Collins was tried at RT and failed. That is complete nonsense, he got some time there in OTA's while Free was out. There is absolutely nothing anywhere backing up your statement that Collins struggled at RT.

Again, I will reiterate, Collins was having ups and downs at RT - he wasn't impressive. Free was injured, on a cheap 2 year contract, Green was a ghost, Gibson was looking awful. Leary came off an impressive 2014 season; which was the bigger need, RT or LG?

They have a history? With who? We didn't ease Martin or Frederick in. We didn't ease Leary in outside of allowing him to develop a year at guard. You have this "history" of us easing Smith into the hardest position on the line.

 

[Kaiser]

Again, I will reiterate, Collins was having ups and downs at RT - he wasn't impressive.

And your basis for that is picking the two words "and downs" out of article about Collins that was entirely positive. Got it.

 

[mattjames2010]

How about the scouting reports on him? How about the direct quotes of his Head Coach in the article that YOU posted?

In the same sentence that said Collins had "ups and downs" it also said he "showcased the talent that made him a first round consideration" at RT.

IRVING, Texas – His position flex has been touted from the beginning, and the Cowboys are certainly putting La’el Collins’ versatility to the test early on.

With the first week of Organized Team Activities concluding Thursday, Collins is wrapping up his first week of NFL practices, and all of them have come at the entirely foreign position of right tackle. It’s a job the Cowboys are confident the rookie can handle, but there’s quite a few differences for Collins – who spent his entire college career on the left side of the line.

That goes against the common logic that Collins might compete for the left guard spot, but Cowboys coach Jason Garrett said Collins’ spot is far from determined. On the team’s OTA roster, the LSU product is listed as an offensive lineman, rather than specifically a guard or tackle.

“We see him as a guy who can maybe do both of those things as he goes,” Garrett said. “The big thing for him is to try to get him acclimated as quickly as he can. So right now he’s going to play right tackle for us.”

Collins had his share of ups and downs on Wednesday, as he showcased the talent that made him a first-round consideration, while also coping with the growing pains of a position switch – not to mention the transition to NFL football.

I don't care about his scouting report, I know what his scouting report said. The scouting report is now irrelevant, we are nearly a season into his rookie year, he's playing at a relatively high level at guard and hasn't sniffed the RT position since freakin' May! haha

"We see him as a guy who can MAYBE do both of those things as he goes"

See what I just put in bold there? And you understand Collins able to do "both of those things" doesn't mean he plays at a high level at BOTH positions, right? That means he's added depth at a position.

 

[Kaiser]

Free was injured, on a cheap 2 year contract, Green was a ghost, Gibson was looking awful. Leary came off an impressive 2014 season; which was the bigger need, RT or LG?

Free was the most experienced player on the line and getting either 6MM for one year or 10MM for two years. That's that second highest player on the OL, fifth highest on the offense. It wasn't a "cheap" contract.

You are also forgetting Darrion Weems, who the team had kept on the 53 for two years to develop.

Leary's heath has always been a question mark and he missed time this year.

 

[mattjames2010]

Free was the most experienced player on the line and getting either 6MM for one year or 10MM for two years. That's that second highest player on the OL, fifth highest on the offense. It wasn't a "cheap" contract.

You are also forgetting Darrion Weems, who the team had kept on the 53 for two years to develop.

Leary's heath has always been a question mark and he missed time this year.

And Free was just coming off a surgery, one that was speculated he might not even be ready to return from at the beginning of the season. We're talking about Leary's health issues? Jesus. You're also comparing Free's contract to 3 players on their rookie deals?

Keep up, we are discussing before the season, champ. Again, Leary came off a successful 2014 season, Free struggled late in 2014 and ended up having surgery. I will ask you again, at that time, which looked to be a bigger need?

 

[Kaiser]

And Free was just coming off a surgery, one that was speculated he might not even be ready to return from at the beginning of the season.

This is also completely made up.

 

[Kaiser]

Again, Leary came off a successful 2014 season, Free struggled late in 2014 and ended up having surgery. I will ask you again, at that time, which looked to be a bigger need?

Which one was given a 15 Million dollar contract, 6MM of which was guaranteed?

This really is too stupid to continue, but I'm sure it will.

 

[mattjames2010]

Which one was given a 15 Million dollar contract, 6MM of which was guaranteed?

This really is too stupid to continue, but I'm sure it will.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/doug-free/

Free's contract. This is hardly a heavy hitting contract.

Now, let's compare, if we gave Martin and Freddy their contracts today, how would Free's contract look? We could cut Free at any point and the hit on our cap wouldn't do a whole lot of damage.

And what question are you asking here? Why would we give Leary a new contract? He's with us until the end of the 2016 season.