Shouldn't break the bank for Miller

[PJTHEDOORS]

Why don't you demand more from the your stars. Are the guys on the OL great or they just overrated?

1800 is not even in the top 20 All Time.

Yes. 2,000 yds next year by the starting back. Anything less is average. After that, make it 2,500 yds.

 

[Nightman]

Yes. 2,000 yds next year by the starting back. Anything less is average. After that, make it 2,500 yds.

It's better than happy about value when the team has more cash than anyone and plenty of cap space.

And don't tell me we need to save it for the OL if they can't even run block than TB.

Are we really arguing about wanting a better rushing performance?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Nine of the top RBs missed time last year.

You and the other DMC fan club members keep pumping up his 4th place finish as something to be proud of.

I equate it to the Commanders winning the NFC LEast.

Keep on accepting mediocrity as JJones makes 100m in profit. "For the money McFadden was pretty OK"

1000k yards is not mediocrity where are you getting this from? The fact that you call us "DMC Fan club" show you have an agenda. Its ridiculous. You bring up facts and you resort to calling it "excuses". Amazing.....

 

[Nightman]

1000k yards is not mediocrity where are you getting this from? The fact that you call us "DMC Fan club" show you have an agenda. Its ridiculous. You bring up facts and you resort to calling it "excuses". Amazing.....

Yes it is. He had 410 yards in the last 4 games. Games that we were trying to lose. The other team didn't put up much of an effort.

And you are right, I have an agenda. I am the agent for Ben Malena.

 

[Bullflop]

If Dallas had an unlimited amount to spend on a free agent RB, Miller might be a good choice. Since that isn't the case, a draft pick is more likely.

 

[Stash]

Ehhh....I mean by changing their blocking schemes did the offensive line look bad doing it when you factor their whole year as a whole? We've invested a lot in that line to the point where that shouldn't be a problem for them IMO.

It was a testament to the quality of the line, but I don't think it's good business to change your entire scheme to accommodate one player, do you? And that may have played a factor in their ranking going from 2nd to 9th (although Romo and Bryant out were surely factors too).

And the only reason i'd rather go draft for running back is because it will be cheaper. I don't like to play the free agency game especially with running backs unless they want to pay for a contract like we got McFadden for.

Most of the time I agree with you. But personally, I find Miller to be the exception to the rule. He's a young player (24), without the typical wear and tear that most free agent running backs have. If anything, he was criminally underused in Miami, and the consensus of opinion is that was a big part of the reason the prior coaching staff was fired, because they didn't use him enough.

He's also an ascending player who continues to improve. Unlike most, if not all of the other available backs, his arrow is consistently point upwards. Doug Martin has two good years with two awful years in between. And Alfred Morris' production has continued on a downward trajectory since his first big season.

And Miller is a proven commodity at the NFL level, something you can't say for any rookie. You could get the next Todd Gurley, or you could get Melvin Gordon. You could get Adrian Peterson or you could get Trent Richardson.

 

[Stash]

If Dallas had an unlimited amount to spend on a free agent RB, Miller might be a good choice. Since that isn't the case, a draft pick is more likely.

They were willing to spend $6 million per year on Murray last year. Is $5 million a year for a much younger player with much less wear and tear out of the question?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Miller isn't signing a one year "prove it " deal.
He will get quite a bit more than the dollar amount you are calling for.

and certainly not for 3-3.5 million...

 

[CowboyRoy]

I absolutely would like to sign Lamar Miller in Free Agency, but I don't think we should shell out big money or a long term deal.

First I don't think a long term deal is in either of our interests. A one year deal worth about 3 or 3.5 million is probably appropriate.

A lot of things should give you pause. Miller was one of the highest rated running backs with yards before contact in 2014. I haven't seen the 2015 numbers, but that always give me pause. I thought Miami had a pretty subpar offensive line, but it does make me wonder how much of his success was his own.

As much as I don't want to rely on McFadden, I'm not absolutely sure that Miller is a huge upgrade from him, though I think he fits our system a lot better and would be a lot more consistent for us. The big question becomes cost.

The question then becomes does Miller believe in himself enough to come here on a one year deal and prove what he is capable of in a full time role? But even that is a bit uneven as the Cowboys may not be interested in offering him a full time role.

I would love to go into the season with Miller, McFadden, Dunbar. I think that shows real strength at the position, but we absolutely can't break the bank on these guys. I think we ultimately saw that Demarco Murray was overrated when he went to Philadelphia. The Eagles had a great offensive line two years ago, but they took a huge step back, and Murray wasn't a great fit. We saw the results.

I think Miller is slightly better than DeMarco Murray and might even fit our system slightly better than Murray even did. That gives me pretty high hopes as to what we could achieve with him, but the name of the game is the price is right.

I guess we'll see.

3 years for 5 million per season I would do.

 

[ConstantReboot]

We won't sign Miller even though it makes sense. I just don't think the Cowboys are interested at all. They are stuck with McFadden because Jerry likes him.

I even doubt will draft a running back. They'll just rehash the same excuse as they did last year in that " anyone can run behind this oline".

Be prepared to be disappointed again folks. To top it off be prepared to use a 2nd rounder on a TE. Its how Dallas rolls these days.

 

[Nightman]

and certainly not for 3-3.5 million...

If Forte, AFoster, DMartin, CIvory, DMurray and CJohnson all hit the market it will be buyer's choice.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

If Forte, AFoster, DMartin, CIvory, DMurray and CJohnson all hit the market it will be buyer's choice.

everyone said Murray last year would only get between 4-5 mil b/c the RB market had changed, I called bull them and am calling it now.

 

[Nightman]

everyone said Murray last year would only get between 4-5 mil b/c the RB market had changed, I called bull them and am calling it now.

That is what we hoped. But RBs coming off the year he had get paid.

LMiller hasn't reached that level yet. DMurray was AP Offensive POY. He was just hated in DAL.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

That is what we hoped. But RBs coming off the year he had get paid.

LMiller hasn't reached that level yet. DMurray was AP Offensive POY. He was just hated in DAL.

and 3-3.5 mil is far less than a starting RB gets on the open market. McFadden was viewed as a starter so we got him cheap.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

If Forte, AFoster, DMartin, CIvory, DMurray and CJohnson all hit the market it will be buyer's choice.

And AFoster and CJohnson won't have much interest coming their way

 

[Nightman]

and 3-3.5 mil is far less than a starting RB gets on the open market. McFadden was viewed as a starter so we got him cheap.

Most FA RBs are going in the 3/9-12m range the last few years.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Most FA RBs are going in the 3/9-12m range the last few years.

CJ Spiller signed for $4 per year despite being statistically inferior. Same for Mark Ingram, and Miller is younger than both were last offseason. Shane Vereen signed for more than $4 per, even Frank Gore got 3/12. that $4 per is likely a worst case scenario, with $6 per being far more likely, maybe more.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

We cant assume mcfadden puts back to back injury free years for us. Plus dunbar who is also brittle

 

[big dog cowboy]

With our OL, 1089 is very average and 3 TDs is outright poor.

Without Romo and Dez that is pretty good. Only started what, 11 games.

 

[Nightman]

Without Romo and Dez that is pretty good. Only started what, 11 games.

wrong again, but I like the tenacity big dog

he gained most of his yards in garbage time. 410 yards in the last 4 games when the season was way over. the other teams were running out the clock and we were trying to lose.