Shouldn't break the bank for Miller

[Stash]

Well Dallas would have to be in the ballpark.

But what I don't think people realize is that a lot of free agents don't take the deal with the absolute largest dollar. For instance Murray turned down two larger deals.

And - deservedly so or not - the Cowboys are one of the highest profile teams in the league, and a player who has success here can parlay that notoriety into some lucrative off-the-field earnings as well.

He turned down our smaller deal because we weren't in the ballpark.

And based on the league seeing what a mistake that deal turned out to be for both parties, I don't expect the offers for free agent running backs to get to that same financial ballpark.

 

[Stash]

I'm on the record to being Ok with 4/20 with half that guaranteed.

I could be talked into 5 for 25. With the understanding that most deals in the NFL are really 3 year affairs which would take Miller right to 27/28 which is the age most rbs historically have their first large decline in performance.

I'm right there with you. And for the record, I truly think that Miller is too.

 

[Nightman]

ok 7.5m in dead cap? you save 7.2 million against the cap and that 7.5 is the only dead money we would see this year!. If you cut him after June that gets split up in 2 years.. we than would save a little over 9 million this year but would have a cap hit of 3.6 million next year for dead money.Carr is solid at best. our secondary had like 4 ints this year. the guy I have been talking about Trumaine Johnson allowed a 55.0 passer rating when targeted 2nd to only Josh Norman, and he had 7 picks last year, we can take that saved money from cutting Carr and infest it in a corner who is entering his prime. By doing that we would have more options in the draft...

The Dead Money is a sunk cost. It the same whether he stays or goes.

The 9.1m is real savings and cap savings. We could sign a 40m CB AND save 5m.

Carr had to go.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Jones believes in McFadden as our starter next year. Most likely we get a backup rb in the draft.

To his credit....he probably should. He was right on McFadden and it panned out.

 

[Nightman]

To his credit....he probably should. He was right on McFadden and it panned out.

He wasn't right on McFadden. It was a low cost look-see at a former man crush. They were still rolling with Randle first and panicked and traded for CMike when they say what they really had.

Considering the OL, 1089 was very pedestrian.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He wasn't right on McFadden. It was a low cost look-see at a former man crush. They were still rolling with Randle first and panicked and traded for CMike when they say what they really had.

Considering the OL, 1089 was very pedestrian.

1089 is pedestrian for a guy who didn't start at the beginning of the season? Not to mention the offensive line was very good starting the year off either. Mike was insurance. All offseason long I heard they were confident in McFadden. I didn't understand it but it came to fruition. They deserve credit for giving no McFadden probably his best year of his career.

 

[Nightman]

1089 is pedestrian for a guy who didn't start at the beginning of the season? Not to mention the offensive line was very good starting the year off either. Mike was insurance. All offseason long I heard they were confident in McFadden. I didn't understand it but it came to fruition. They deserve credit for giving no McFadden probably his best year of his career.

excuses

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

excuses

Excuses for what? He was 5th in the league in rushing lol. I'm surely not the one making excuses lol. I don't understand why you guys are so quick to acknowledge any missteps by Jerry but the time he and this front office gets it right you won't acknowledge it and move on lol. McFadden had a solid year last year.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Considering the OL, 1089 was very pedestrian.

He was 5th in the league in rushing

I always thought to be in the top 5 was pretty good. Especially with no threat at QB or WR.

 

[Stash]

Excuses for what? He was 5th in the league in rushing lol. I'm surely not the one making excuses lol. I don't understand why you guys are so quick to acknowledge any missteps by Jerry but the time he and this front office gets it right you won't acknowledge it and move on lol. McFadden had a solid year last year.

He had a very solid year last year, and this is coming from someone who was a harsh critic of both him and the signing. But, having said that, his season wasn't without its' share of bumps either. Chief among them the fact that the line had to change from zone to power blocking to accommodate him.

But all that aside, is anyone totally comfortable going into next season relying on McFadden as the lead back again? I wouldn't want to count on him staying healthy again. That's the exception, not the rule.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I always thought to be in the top 5 was pretty good. Especially with no threat at QB or WR.

As do I. Teams weren't stacking he box or anything but teams were playing us for the run and no threat to pass. How is top pedestrian? I'm so confused....

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He had a very solid year last year, and this is coming from someone who was a harsh critic of both him and the signing. But, having said that, his season wasn't without its' share of bumps either. Chief among them the fact that the line had to change from zone to power blocking to accommodate him.

But all that aside, is anyone totally comfortable going into next season relying on McFadden as the lead back again? I wouldn't want to count on him staying healthy again. That's the exception, not the rule.

He had a very solid year last year, and this is coming from someone who was a harsh critic of both him and the signing. But, having said that, his season wasn't without its' share of bumps either. Chief among them the fact that the line had to change from zone to power blocking to accommodate him.

But all that aside, is anyone totally comfortable going into next season relying on McFadden as the lead back again? I wouldn't want to count on him staying healthy again. That's the exception, not the rule.

Oh no not at all. I'm not advocating that at all. I was just saying they ended up being right on McFadden. I'd treat him like I do Sean Lee. Pretend like he's not on the team. You can't rely on him due to his history. I'd invest in a running back in this draft.

 

[Stash]

Oh no not at all. I'm not advocating that at all. I was just saying they ended up being right on McFadden.

My own opinion is that, yeah, things worked out with McFadden. But when you have to change your blocking schemes for one player you've signed, I'm not calling that "right".

I'd treat him like I do Sean Lee. Pretend like he's not on the team. You can't rely on him due to his history. I'd invest in a running back in this draft.

I would as well, but I'd prefer to fill that need with Miller rather than the draft. I'd like to have as many needs filled as I can before the draft, allowing me to go as 'best player available' as possible.

 

[Nightman]

As do I. Teams weren't stacking he box or anything but teams were playing us for the run and no threat to pass. How is top pedestrian? I'm so confused....

I always thought to be in the top 5 was pretty good. Especially with no threat at QB or WR.

He wouldn't even finished in the Top 10 in 2014 or 2013. It was a fluke down year for RBs and a fluke McFadden even finished the year.

With our OL, 1089 is very average and 3 TDs is outright poor.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

My own opinion is that, yeah, things worked out with McFadden. But when you have to change your blocking schemes for one player you've signed, I'm not calling that "right".



I would as well, but I'd prefer to fill that need with Miller rather than the draft. I'd like to have as many needs filled as I can before the draft, allowing me to go as 'best player available' as possible.

Ehhh....I mean by changing their blocking schemes did the offensive line look bad doing it when you factor their whole year as a whole? We've invested a lot in that line to the point where that shouldn't be a problem for them IMO.

And the only reason i'd rather go draft for running back is because it will be cheaper. I don't like to play the free agency game especially with running backs unless they want to pay for a contract like we got McFadden for.

He wouldn't even finished in the Top 10 in 2014 or 2013. It was a fluke down year for RBs and a fluke McFadden even finished the year.

With our OL, 1089 is very average and 3 TDs is outright poor.

It was a fluke down year? So McFadden's was flukish too then? SO in 2014 he would've had more yards than 1089 using your logic? Whether its fluke or not 1089 even using your argument in 2014 was still good for #11 in the league. HARDLY pedestrian like you keep making it seem. It may be pedestrian to you because you look at Demarco's 1800 yards but in most years 1k yards is only ran by about 10 or 11 guys.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

He wouldn't even finished in the Top 10 in 2014 or 2013. It was a fluke down year for RBs and a fluke McFadden even finished the year.

With our OL, 1089 is very average and 3 TDs is outright poor.

So by that, any rb behind our line is average unless they get around 1,800 yds. Maybe not, since many here thought Murray was average too.

 

[Nightman]

So by that, any rb behind our line is average unless they get around 1,800 yds. Maybe not, since many here thought Murray was average too.

Actually yes.

If you have 4 #1 picks you better do better than 1089 yds and 3 TDs and I would expect a lot closer to 1800.

Why else did we invest so much in to the OL????? To be OK.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Actually yes.

If you have 4 #1 picks you better do better than 1089 yds and 3 TDs and I would expect a lot closer to 1800.

Why else did we invest so much in to the OL????? To be OK.

So if Miller doesn't get 1,800 here, he is average. Or any rb behind the line. ok.

 

[Nightman]

Ehhh....I mean by changing their blocking schemes did the offensive line look bad doing it when you factor their whole year as a whole? We've invested a lot in that line to the point where that shouldn't be a problem for them IMO.

And the only reason i'd rather go draft for running back is because it will be cheaper. I don't like to play the free agency game especially with running backs unless they want to pay for a contract like we got McFadden for.




It was a fluke down year? So McFadden's was flukish too then? SO in 2014 he would've had more yards than 1089 using your logic? Whether its fluke or not 1089 even using your argument in 2014 was still good for #11 in the league. HARDLY pedestrian like you keep making it seem. It may be pedestrian to you because you look at Demarco's 1800 yards but in most years 1k yards is only ran by about 10 or 11 guys.

Nine of the top RBs missed time last year.

You and the other DMC fan club members keep pumping up his 4th place finish as something to be proud of.

I equate it to the Commanders winning the NFC LEast.

Keep on accepting mediocrity as JJones makes 100m in profit. "For the money McFadden was pretty OK"

 

[Nightman]

So if Miller doesn't get 1,800 here, he is average. Or any rb behind the line. ok.

Why don't you demand more from the your stars. Are the guys on the OL great or they just overrated?

1800 is not even in the top 20 All Time.