SI: The Dallas Cowboys Are Wasting the Luckiest QB Run in NFL History

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Why? What difference does it make if they play him on the tag this year then sign him to a four-year deal next year?

So many seem to act like just because he's playing on the tag this year that means this is it, next year he's gone. That seems like a faulty premise.
 

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Why? What difference does it make if they play him on the tag this year then sign him to a four-year deal next year?

So many seem to act like just because he's playing on the tag this year that means this is it, next year he's gone. That seems like a faulty premise.
I agree 100% but the Cowboys will pay a bigger contract next year if they sign him long term.
 

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Why? What difference does it make if they play him on the tag this year then sign him to a four-year deal next year?

So many seem to act like just because he's playing on the tag this year that means this is it, next year he's gone. That seems like a faulty premise.

Are the Cowboys even gonna offer a 4-year contract next year? From the reporting the Cowboys wouldn't even consider a 4-year deal. Will Dak even accept a 4-year deal or will he now hold fast for a 3-year deal? Plus the cost is going to go up. Not saying a deal won't get done but this was the easiest time to get it done (actually before 2019 was the easiest time but that was already ruined). It only gets more difficult and more expensive from here.
 
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The luckiest back-to-back QB run in NFL history is very likely to be the Pats snagging Tom Brady in the 2000 sixth-round, riding him to 9 SBs and 6 Chips, only to immediately replace him with a hungry Cam Newton on a cheap one-year “prove it” deal — and with a young and cheap Jarrett Stidham waiting in the wings.
Well snagging Tom Brady was one thing, but those other guys have done nothing, yet. So I'll go with Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers. Or maybe Joe Montana and Steve Young. Come to think of it Chris Simms and Jeff Hostetler have to be mentioned. And people tend to forget the Houston Oilers went from Warren Moon to Steve McNair. But that's only because they went from being the Houston Oilers to the Tennessee Titans. The combo of Joe Flacco and Steven Jackson should be put on the list ahead of Romo and Dak.

But if the Pats can make a real run at it for the next couple of years, I'd have to really tip my hat to Belichick then. Because all of his SB wins came with Brady at the helm, so some still wonder if its Brady or Belichick that deserves most of the credit. But heck just going from Bledsoe to Brady was a blessing for them when you think about it.
 

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I agree 100% but the Cowboys will pay a bigger contract next year if they sign him long term.

They will, but it still will be within the cap structure. In other words, if the cap goes up, the offer will go up. Inflation is part of reality.
 

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They will, but it still will be within the cap structure. In other words, if the cap goes up, the offer will go up. Inflation is part of reality.

That is part of the issue though. The cap in all likelihood won't go up if fans can't go to the games but Dak's contract demands will definitely go up his franchise tag goes up to $37 million no matter what.
 

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Are the Cowboys even gonna offer a 4-year contract next year? From the reporting the Cowboys wouldn't even consider a 4-year deal. Will Dak even accept a 4-year deal or will he now hold fast for a 3-year deal? Plus the cost is going to go up. Not saying a deal won't get done but this was the easiest time to get it done (actually before 2019 was the easiest time but that was already ruined). It only gets more difficult and more expensive from here.

Maybe. They wanted him for five. Maybe next year, four will make more sense or maybe depending on his play, they'll want to up his deal to get him for five. The amount they were off this year was the difference between what Dallas felt he was worth on a five-year deal and what Dak felt he was worth on a four-year deal. The team might agree to a four-year deal if the money is right ... and that could end up being what Dak believes he's worth depending on his play.

The simpler way to say that might be that the parameters can change depending on how things go.
 

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That is part of the issue though. The cap in all likelihood won't go up because of COVID but Dak's contract demands will because his franchise tag goes up to $37 million regardless.

If the cap doesn't change, they might just franchise him again. But again, it will depend on how he plays. KC gave Mahomes a deal reflective of him being the No. 1 or No. 2 player at his position.
 

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Do we know that Dak would have taken it?

The problem with all the talk blaming the Cowboys for not giving this or that is that AFAIK, Dak never made a counteroffer for them to accept.

I would have gone with a 4 year contract. Maybe the Cowboys would have too. But you don't just negotiate with yourself. You don't just give in everything you'd give in the absence of a counteroffer.
 

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If the cap doesn't change, they might just franchise him again. But again, it will depend on how he plays. KC gave Mahomes a deal reflective of him being the No. 1 or No. 2 player at his position.

Unless Dak plays worse than he's ever played before he will get gonna get top money whenever he hits free agency (2021 or 2022). In the mean time the cost is only going up.
 

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Maybe. They wanted him for five. Maybe next year, four will make more sense or maybe depending on his play, they'll want to up his deal to get him for five. The amount they were off this year was the difference between what Dallas felt he was worth on a five-year deal and what Dak felt he was worth on a four-year deal. The team might agree to a four-year deal if the money is right ... and that could end up being what Dak believes he's worth depending on his play.

The simpler way to say that might be that the parameters can change depending on how things go.

Couldn't get Dak to sign this year. Why would he sign next year with a 20% salary increase and one year closer to free agency?
 

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Unless Dak plays worse than he's ever played before he will get gonna get top money whenever he hits free agency (2021 or 2022). In the mean time the cost is only going up.

I think it's a good idea to give a new coach time to work with a player before determining his value. He's value this year was somewhere between what Russell Wilson got paid and what Wentz/Goff got paid. That doesn't seem to be where he valued himself. If he thinks he's on Wilson's level, then McCarthy should get the opportunity to determine that. If McCarthy doesn't think he is, then Dallas should offer him less value than Dak might believe he's worth.

Not paying him what he thinks he's worth this year does not mean Dallas won't pay him what he thinks he's worth next year ... if the team agrees that's his value.
 

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Couldn't get Dak to sign this year. Why would he sign next year with a 20% salary increase and one year closer to free agency?

It will depend on his play. He's betting on himself. If he plays more poorly than he expects, his salary demands might come down to what Dallas thinks he's worth. If he plays better than Dallas expects, then the Cowboys might be willing to pay more for his services. A whole lot can change in a year.
 

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I think it's a good idea to give a new coach time to work with a player before determining his value. He's value this year was somewhere between what Russell Wilson got paid and what Wentz/Goff got paid. That doesn't seem to be where he valued himself. If he thinks he's on Wilson's level, then McCarthy should get the opportunity to determine that. If McCarthy doesn't think he is, then Dallas should offer him less value than Dak might believe he's worth.

Not paying him what he thinks he's worth this year does not mean Dallas won't pay him what he thinks he's worth next year ... if the team agrees that's his value.

The Cowboys have Dak the same guaranteed money on a five year deal that Goff got on a four year deal a year ago. That is way too low. The Cowboys should have given him the four years he was asking for or went way up on the guaranteed money if they wanted to get a deal done. Obviously it's still possible a deal gets done but it's far less likely imo. There is a reason no qb that's played on the tag has gone on to re-sign with that team.
 
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