Sick of RGIII

[Baileyneverfailey]

As a Cowboys fan, I can say without a doubt RG3 is just a good football player. And honestly, I like it better when the other teams in the NFC East have good players. When the Cowboys were just dumpstering the Skins every game every year and still not doing anything in the postseason, I might've enjoyed beating them but it didn't matter.

If the Cowboys earn their way into the playoffs by beating good Commanders, Giants, and Eagles teams, then I'll be pleased, and in that case they'll be ready to compete in the playoffs too.

 

[khiladi]

Chad Pennington, the year the wildcat was introduced, threw maybe 20 yards more per game tha RG3 and Wilson, had a 67 percentage completion rate, slightly better than RG3 an Wilson, threw 19 TDs and 7 picks, one TD worse than RG3 and 2 INTs worse. But CP also threw more. Imagine what he could have done with the ball if he could chuck the ball more than 20 yards downfield. Their two rushers, Brown and Williams, combined in yardage to what a Lynch or Morris produced.

Like I said, the idea that DC should have figured out a particular offense the first year is absurd, especially when one is dealing with certain personnel.

 

[khiladi]

As far as RG starting 13 times, I already went through this... Simply repeating 5-11 shows how ignorant one is of their season that year. Ask any Commanders fan if they honestly believe the Commanders were better off with Beck starting and that didn't hurt their season, they would simply laugh.

 

[KJJ]

Yet inexplicably only 50% of the sites you linked to back up your claim. Personally, I only use "most" when it's more than half.



Wayne: 3 years, $17.5 million
Garcon: 5 years, $42.5 million
2012 Colts Dead Money: $38,790,072

Oh, and one other point. Wayne was the consolation prize in the FA sweepstakes. Indy had already lost Garcon to Washington.

My claim was that Garcon ranked well down the list of free agent WR's and most of the rankings had him ranked well down the list. The best you could find was ONE ranking that had him 5th. He's a decent receiver nothing more than that so let it go! As for Wayne the Colts gave him $17.5 million over 3 years with $7 million guaranteed and he'll be 35 in Nov. Indy lost Garcon because they knew what they had in him and didn't want to pay him a lot of money. He's only 27 if they thought he was anything special they would have found a way to resign him.

Teams don't let 27 year old players walk if they're anything special. Garcon only produced 44 catches for Washington which was 4 fewer than Josh Morgan and 3 more than Santana Moss. Garcon only had 60 more receiving yards than Moss but 4 fewer TD's. Wayne produced 107 catches for 1355 yards with his rookie QB. It's pretty obvious why indy kept him over Garcon who wasn't worth what Washington paid him.

 

[DanteEXT]

My claim was that Garcon ranked well down the list of free agent WR's and most of the rankings had him ranked well down the list. The best you could find was ONE ranking that had him 5th. He's a decent receiver nothing more than that so let it go! As for Wayne the Colts gave him $17.5 million over 3 years with $7 million guaranteed and he'll be 35 in Nov. Indy lost Garcon because they knew what they had in him and didn't want to pay him a lot of money. He's only 27 if they thought he was anything special they would have found a way to resign him.

Teams don't let 27 year old players walk if they're anything special. Garcon only produced 44 catches for Washington which was 4 fewer than Josh Morgan and 3 more than Santana Moss. Garcon only had 60 more receiving yards than Moss but 4 fewer TD's. Wayne produced 107 catches for 1355 yards with his rookie QB. It's pretty obvious why indy kept him over Garcon who wasn't worth what Washington paid him.

Indy lost Garcon because they couldn't match what Washington paid him. Reportly Garcon TURNED down a 5 year $35 millionish offer from the Colts.

Morgan and Moss both played 16 games compared to Garcons 10. Or in other words, it took Morgan and Moss a full 16 games just to catch about the same number of passes as Garcon did in only 10.

Teams don't let 27 year old players walk if they're anything special.

Atlanta let Deion walk. Was he not special? San Diego let Brees walk. He must suck, too.

 

[KJJ]

Indy lost Garcon because they couldn't match what Washington paid him. Reportly Garcon TURNED down a 5 year $35 millionish offer from the Colts.

Morgan and Moss both played 16 games compared to Garcons 10. Or in other words, it took Morgan and Moss a full 16 games just to catch about the same number of passes as Garcon did in only 10.



Atlanta let Deion walk. Was he not special? San Diego let Brees walk. He must suck, too.

Indy didn't want to match what Washington paid Garcon it was an insane contract for a player who only played a full season once and who wasn't real productive. The Skins are notorious for over paying free agents who don't produce up to their contracts. For the 4th year in Garcon's 5 year NFL career he once again didn't play a full season and had his least productive season since his rookie year. Be honest do you think he was worth what Washington paid him? As for Atlanta allowing Deion to walk Deion was splitting time between baseball and football which the Falcons were never thrilled with. Free agency had just entered the league 2 years prior and teams didn't know how to handle the salary cap. Deion was looking for mega millions and even SF was only able to sign him for one season in 94 to try and put them over the top. They would have loved to have kept him but didn't have the cap space.

The contract Jerry signed Deion to in 95 helped put the Cowboys in serious cap hell which caused the team to lose a number of players over the next few seasons. Deion's contract greatly contributed to the decline of the Cowboys in the mid to late 90's. Dan Snyder was stupid enough to sign Deion who had a bad toe to a $56 million deal after he limped out of Dallas. The salary cap has been around for over 20 years and teams know how to massage it enabling them to keep players they really want. The Cowboys were $20+ million over the cap this past offseason but were able to restructure a number of contracts enabling them to sign Romo to a $108 million extension. If a team wants a player bad enough they'll find a way to keep them and not allow them to test the market. As for Brees he had an injured shoulder and San Diego had to make a choice between him and Rivers and kept the healthy QB.

 

[dart]

heres his FB PAGE

https://www.facebook.com/RG3FanPage

 

[DanteEXT]

Indy didn't want to match what Washington paid Garcon it was an insane contract for a player who only played a full season once and who wasn't real productive. The Skins are notorious for over paying free agents who don't produce up to their contracts. For the 4th year in Garcon's 5 year NFL career he once again didn't play a full season and had his least productive season since his rookie year. Be honest do you think he was worth what Washington paid him? As for Atlanta allowing Deion to walk Deion was splitting time between baseball and football which the Falcons were never thrilled with. Free agency had just entered the league 2 years prior and teams didn't know how to handle the salary cap. Deion was looking for mega millions and even SF was only able to sign him for one season in 94 to try and put them over the top. They would have loved to have kept him but didn't have the cap space.

The contract Jerry signed Deion to in 95 helped put the Cowboys in serious cap hell which caused the team to lose a number of players over the next few seasons. Deion's contract greatly contributed to the decline of the Cowboys in the mid to late 90's. Dan Snyder was stupid enough to sign Deion who had a bad toe to a $56 million deal after he limped out of Dallas. The salary cap has been around for over 20 years and teams know how to massage it enabling them to keep players they really want. The Cowboys were $20+ million over the cap this past offseason but were able to restructure a number of contracts enabling them to sign Romo to a $108 million extension. If a team wants a player bad enough they'll find a way to keep them and not allow them to test the market. As for Brees he had an injured shoulder and San Diego had to make a choice between him and Rivers and kept the healthy QB.

No, I do not think he was worth the money. But I wouldn't take much from that since I think everyone is overpaid. That being said, 8.5 mil is not that much when considering other WR contracts in the NFL. He's not even in the top 10 of contracts. For what #1 WR's are getting paid now, he looks like a bargain. I'm sure Washington fans were at a minimum ok with the 90% winning percentage when he played last year.

 

[zrinkill]

LOL

Commander fans spent all summer telling us how RG3 was gonna be fine.

He is hurt and they are gonna ruin his career trying to play him.

He should get out of that town as fast as he can.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

He's not hurt, but he does have some mental barriers to overcome. There is a big difference in his throwing mechanics and he has to work on not thinking about getting injured and just step into his throws.

 

[khiladi]

That first INT by him was a horrible read and had nothing to do with his knee and mechanics. He stared down his WR the whole way. It was even worse than the one he threw in Seattle on the deep ball.

 

[CF74]

That must be why


This is my last post on this issue. .

Good, philly says hello....

 

[KJJ]

No, I do not think he was worth the money. But I wouldn't take much from that since I think everyone is overpaid. That being said, 8.5 mil is not that much when considering other WR contracts in the NFL. He's not even in the top 10 of contracts. For what #1 WR's are getting paid now, he looks like a bargain. I'm sure Washington fans were at a minimum ok with the 90% winning percentage when he played last year.

Garcon not being in the top 10 paid WR's again proves what I've been saying that he's nothing special. Even for what he's being paid there's those who think Washington overpaid for him based on his career numbers and lack of durability. He ended up getting hurt on opening day last year with an injury that hampered him all season. If he could stay healthy it's possible he could have a real productive season. He's a decent receiver who has speed but he's not a great receiver that's the point I'm making. Other #1 WR's that are being paid more than Garcon are true #1 receivers who are very productive. If he was a 27 year old Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson Indy wouldn't have hesitated resigning him to whatever contract it took but he's obviously not close to that caliber of receiver and he's had injury issues.

The Colts knowing they would be drafting Andrew Luck with the #1 overall pick in 2012 probably expected another rough season going with a rookie QB and anticipated they could possibly end up with another top 10 pick which might have put them in position for an elite receiver. I'm sure they never expected nor did anyone else they would have such an amazing turnaround from 2-14 to 11-5 and make the playoffs. Reggie Wayne had a great season last year and Indy obviously made the right decision by resigning him and allowing Garcon to walk. Wayne probably has another couple of productive years left which gives Indy time to find a young elite receiver to pair with Luck for the next decade.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

It will be fun to watch how the fanbase reacts if he continues to struggle. a significant number were calling for his benching at halftime.

 

[erod]

I saw some serious cracks in the veneer for RG3 last night. This is a fragile man internally. I don't see this season going well for him once the criticism gets louder. He's never heard that at Baylor.

With Cousins sitting ready in the wing, this could get deliciously interesting.

Some of that was rust. But some of that was Griffin's limitations, and an offseason of defensive adjustments to him.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Anybody see how the team was introduced?

Hope that team doesn't have too many ego’s watching Diva III run all over the field with flag in hand. OVER.THE.TOP.

 

[SkinsFan28]

I saw some serious cracks in the veneer for RG3 last night. This is a fragile man internally. I don't see this season going well for him once the criticism gets louder. He's never heard that at Baylor.

With Cousins sitting ready in the wing, this could get deliciously interesting.

Some of that was rust. But some of that was Griffin's limitations, and an offseason of defensive adjustments to him.

What game were you watching? He was not pulling a Cam Newton, or sulking. He led the team back in the second half. It was a bad opening day, but "fragile internally"? He's come back from one ACL, won the Heisman, Won OROY, led his team to a division title. I am just asking what you mean by cracks in the veneer? Did you see his postgame interview. A class act.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Last night was gut wrenching for me.

On one hand I absolutely hate the Eagles more than any other sports team on the planet. I NEVER want to see them win, not even against the Skins.

But I was pleasantly pleased that RG3 didn't come out and look super human. It was a bad game but I'm not going to hold my breath hoping that he plays poorly, at times, the rest of the way cause I don't imagine I'll get that lucky.

I really hate that the Commanders didn't complete the comeback though and beat the Eagles. It's absolutely awful to know that the Eagles won a game.

 

[erod]

What game were you watching? He was not pulling a Cam Newton, or sulking. He led the team back in the second half. It was a bad opening day, but "fragile internally"? He's come back from one ACL, won the Heisman, Won OROY, led his team to a division title. I am just asking what you mean by cracks in the veneer? Did you see his postgame interview. A class act.

Dude, he's one of ours. We know him way better than you. You're just borrowing him. For that matter, we know football better than you because Texas and Florida produce 3/4 of the players in the league.

The Eagles dropped off and played over the top the second half to wind the clock. They didn't know Vick and McCoy would virtually pass out on them in the fourth quarter.

You've got Green Bay next. Say hello to 0-2.

 

[Proximo]

The Eagles dropped off and played over the top the second half to wind the clock. They didn't know Vick and McCoy would virtually pass out on them in the fourth quarter.

This.

I really believe that the Commanders' second half "comeback" is going to give them that little bit of false confidence they need that will allow them to go up to Green Bay feeling just a little bit better about themselves than they should and 0-2 will be here before they know it.

And after last night's game I've heard nothing but Commander's fans and RG3 lovers go on about how he was "shaking out the cobwebs" in the 2nd half and "finding his rythm". Well, believe one thing, the Eagles' defense will turn out to be complete garbage this year and they were playing RIDICULOUSLY soft after they got that big lead. That is the only reason the Skins even came close to making a comeback.

The Skins and their fanbase will be crashing back down to reality here in a few weeks.