SIGN VETS: Toniu Fonoti, Charles Spencer, Ashley Lelie, Dan Morgan ...

[BAT]

Jerry needs to get quality experienced depth players for this SB run.

Sign:

OG Toniu Fonoti 6'4 350

- already experienced and SUCCESSFUL in Houck's scheme

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/tracker/player?id=4117


QB Chris Simms 6'5 230

- not crazy about him as 2nd string, but more than capable 3rd

WR Ashley Lelie 6'3 200 4.35

- Dallas needs a deep speed complement to T.O., Lelie's 17.2-yards-per-catch average is the highest among active NFL receivers (his main problem is he is injury prone)


ST/LB Carlos Polk 6'2 260 4.78
- ST madman & very familiar w/Wade's scheme

http://tsn.sportingnews.com/nfl/articles/20010405/307945.html

Sign & Place on IR:

OL Charles Spencer 6'4 340

- versatile: can play OG & OT; great size, aggression & agility for Houck scheme

ILB Dan Morgan 6'2 245 4.55

-can play either ILB spot: heat seaking missle who is also a playmaker in coverage

 

[Real1st]

Sign:

OG Toniu Fonoti 6'5 250

- already experienced and SUCCESSFUL in Houck's scheme

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/tracker/player?id=4117

I don't know if this is an mistake but this has to be downright pathetic for a lineman

 

[InmanRoshi]

Fat and washed up, Crippled, Sucks, Shell Shocked.

 

[dargonking999]

How about no to all

and don't try again

ever

 

[Bluefin]

Sign:

OG Toniu Fonoti 6'5 250

That's his shadow, how much does Fonoti himself check in at?

I doubt we're interested in signing a bunch of veteran players who would have their base salaries guaranteed if on the roster for game one.

Quarterback would be the most likely, IMO.

We'll see how the younger players perform and chase a veteran only if we feel it's necessary.

Fonoti does have the advantage of being coach by Hudson Houck in San Diego, but we've already traded for Montrae Holland.

 

[adamknite]

I would like to sign Polk. If we get him and Davis back, I'll rest easier thinking about our Special teams.

I also think Simms would be a good backup QB, but I'm not so sure on the rest of them.

 

[peplaw06]

I don't know if this is an mistake but this has to be downright pathetic for a lineman

He's listed at 350 on that link.

 

[Thomas82]

I don't know if this is an mistake but this has to be downright pathetic for a lineman

I think he meant 350.

 

[BAT]

Fat and washed up, Crippled, Sucks, Shell Shocked.

Versus what is already on the roster?? Ill fit in Houck's scheme b/c not enough LEAD IN THEIR ***, weak, soft, confused and did I mention WEAK?


Where did you get crippled? Shell shocked?? Fonoti is still one of the nastiest players around. Fat, I get, since he had to lose weight to get to the 340 lbs weight Carolina mandated (he was pushing 400 plus a couple of years back).


But if fat is all you got, then might as well cut Holland who weighs almost as much as Fonoti weighs now, and is 2 inches shorter. Leonard Davis is not slim either.


Don't know if you know this, but Houck likes his OGs to be at 330 plus. And Fonoti's frame can handle 350 EASY.

 

[Bluefin]

I would like to sign Polk. If we get him and Davis back, I'll rest easier thinking about our Special teams.

Davis will be signing with us on Monday.

I don't want Polk unless the need arises after week one.

Too many veteran players on special teams isn't a good idea.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Versus what is already on the roster??

You're talking about players who couldn't make far lesser talented rosters.

Just because you recognize the name doesn't mean they're good players. Fonouti has bounced around the league, even had to leave the league, because he's so fat and lazy. Dan Morgan's career is over from injuries and concussions. Ashlie Lelei couldn't make one of the worst rosters in football. Charles Spencer suffered a catastrophic leg injury that he's never recovered from.

Again, it's like you didn't do any research on this list other than 'Hey, I've heard this guy's name before !!!!"

 

[BAT]

Davis will be signing with us on Monday.

I don't want Polk unless the need arises after week one.

Too many veteran players on special teams isn't a good idea.

Polk is better than Rogers, in ST and at backup LB. Best thing about Polk, when he makes a tackle, there won't be tread marks all up and down his chest and helmet. He tries to seperate the ball from the player every time he lays a lick. Dallas does NOT have enough of those kind of players. Also a leader_in the classroom and on the field.

Would rather have Polk than Davis, if forced to choose. But Polk is the pick over Rogers, easily.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I would like to sign Polk. If we get him and Davis back, I'll rest easier thinking about our Special teams.

I also think Simms would be a good backup QB, but I'm not so sure on the rest of them.

I would cut Rogers for Polk. I don't think you're mortgaging the future, becuase I don't think Rogers has much of a future. Polk is right now what Rogers' ceiling is.

We need to find a backup to Bradie James, because he is one of the most irreplaceable players on this roster right now.. There's no one else on the roster capable of playing strongside linebacker on this team.

 

[Bluefin]

Polk is better than Rogers, in ST and at backup LB. Best thing about Polk, when he makes a tackle, there won't be tread marks all up and down his chest and helmet. He tries to seperate the ball from the player every time he lays a lick. Dallas does NOT have enough of those kind of players. Also a leader_in the classroom and on the field.

Would rather have Polk than Davis, if forced to choose. But Polk is the pick over Rogers, easily.

Point conceded.

Do we need to cut a special teams linebacker to sign another one?

Could we keep both?

Might not be enough room on the game day 45 for both, though.

 

[BAT]

You're talking about players who couldn't make far lesser talented rosters.

Are you saying, NONE of the players cut from other teams' rosters went on to contribute on other teams??? Are you really saying this? Just on the Cowboys you have had Nate Newton, James Washington, Jay Novacek, etc. Pretty weak Roshi.

Just because you recognize the name doesn't mean they're good players. Fonouti has bounced around the league, even had to leave the league, because he's so fat and lazy. Dan Morgan's career is over from injuries and concussions. Ashlie Lelei couldn't make one of the worst rosters in football. Charles Spencer suffered a catastrophic leg injury that he's never recovered from.

How about you ask a question, instead of assuming I am using your preferred method of adding players? Fonoti has had weight issues, true. COMBINED w/injuries. Chargers TRADED him, not cut him. He would have made the Vikes if not for an injury, go research it instead of spouting off only half informed. He was on the Dolphins the season before Saban quit. Fonoti was out of the league LAST season, ONE season, recovering from an INJURY. He has been rusty, granted, but you don't give up on talent. Fonoti is still talented and was most successful under Houck. HE IS CHEAP, LOW RISK, HIGH REWARD. Why is this a personal affront to you?

Dan Morgan, if recovered from his achilles tear, would be a FINE BACKUP. IF HEALTHY, he would be a super upgrade to either Burnett or Carpenter. He could also backup James. Morgan did NOT retire over concussions, go and look it up, Morgan would have played for the SAINTS THIS SEASON if his leg responded quicker to treatment.

SAME with Charles Spencer. He is RECOVERING from a leg injury he incurred LAST SEASON. "Catastrophic" and "never" recovering from is so melodramatic, Dr. Roshi. Reading is fundamental. I list Spencer AND Morgan under "sign and stash on IR".

Lelie WAS also injured. In fact, Lelie is injury prone. But the Cowboys need a deep threat opposite Owens, and when healthy, Lelie can stretch the field like very few in the NFL. The guy is still young, may never be a #1 WR, but Dallas does not need a #1 this season. Lelie is more polished, faster & HEALTHIER than Stanback right now.

Again, it's like you didn't do any research on this list other than 'Hey, I've heard this guy's name before !!!!"

Quite the opposite. Take a pill, it should help you with your premature exclamation.

 

[dcfanatic]

You're talking about players who couldn't make far lesser talented rosters.

Just because you recognize the name doesn't mean they're good players. Fonouti has bounced around the league, even had to leave the league, because he's so fat and lazy. Dan Morgan's career is over from injuries and concussions. Ashlie Lelei couldn't make one of the worst rosters in football. Charles Spencer suffered a catastrophic leg injury that he's never recovered from.

Again, it's like you didn't do any research on this list other than 'Hey, I've heard this guy's name before !!!!"

Exactly. And he also tried to say that we need them because they are vets. We have enough vets, we aren't a young and inexperienced team any longer.

Fonoti has been cut 10 times for a reason. Morgan and Spencer: Why in the world would you want to sign them and then place them on IR? I am still trying to figure out why you even wrote that.

 

[BAT]

Exactly. And he also tried to say that we need them because they are vets. We have enough vets, we aren't a young and inexperienced team any longer.

Of course we need vets, for crucial backup positions_e.g. QB, interior OL, WR, LB. We need vets b/c they are either familiar with the scheme (Houck's or Wade's), or are able to start in the NFL in case of injury.

By the by, the Cowboys are one of the youngest teams in the NFL. LEADERSHIP could be a reason why the team falters down the stretch.

Fonoti has been cut 10 times for a reason. Morgan and Spencer: Why in the world would you want to sign them and then place them on IR? I am still trying to figure out why you even wrote that.

Rehabbing a player for next year is alien to you? You are supposed to be the "fanatic" around here, you should know that the Cowboys were extremely successful doing this with Marco Columbo, you know, the starting RT. Teams in the NFL used to stash players w/potential on IR all the time, except in this case, these are legitimate injuries.

 

[rathalarge]

Yeah, lets make these moves, eat up salary cap room, and be unable to resign Demarcus Ware, Chris Canty, and possibly Columbo to contract extensions just in case there is a change in the CBA after 2010.

 

[TheCount]

Lelie is horrible. He had like two years where all he caught were a couple of deep balls and all of a sudden the rumor gets spread that he's a good receiver.

He can't run routes for jack and had plenty of opportunities to become the #1 in Denver years ago and couldn't do it.

 

[JonJon]

Exactly. And he also tried to say that we need them because they are vets. We have enough vets, we aren't a young and inexperienced team any longer.

Fonoti has been cut 10 times for a reason. Morgan and Spencer: Why in the world would you want to sign them and then place them on IR? I am still trying to figure out why you even wrote that.

I actually like Morgan. He plays a lot like Zack Thomas and never gives up on the play. Problem is, he isn't healthy and is more injury prone than Burnett and Stanback combined. For that reason, I would say no thanks.