Signalgate: What is fair?

[THUMPER]

Dont think they should change on-field results, but they should come down harsh on the organization. 5+ game suspension and salary cap loss. Draft picks arent going to hurt the Pats, only two made the team anyway.

Actually, I like the idea of losing salary cap more than giving up draft picks. Good comment.

By cheating they already did change the outcome of the game in question. Doing it now, before any more games are played would be the best way to go. It would also send a very clear message to the other teams to avoid getting caught doing this at all costs as it will cost them games.

 

[The Great Number 8]

This issue is completel overblown. I just can't see what the advantage really is here.

You have to have a guy watch the signals in the first half, break them down in 15 minutes and be ready for the second half. In the 15 seconds or so to get the play in, the coach has to recognize the signal, and call the appropriate play, get the information the sideline and have that coach get the play to Brady. That's not going to be easy to do. I'm guessing the Jets have more than 2 signals that they use.

I don't see this as being any different than signing players and /or coaches from other teams and then asking them for inside information. If we signed a player from the Eagles defense, I would hope we might ask him what hand signals means quarters or zone or man-to-man.

Furthermore, given Mangini knew the Pats did it, he is a complete moron for not changing up his signals and using it to his advantage. He should have changed the 2 deep zone signal to corner blitz for the second half and knocked Brady on his ***.

There is no way that this effects the outcome of a game more than a player on steroids like Shawne Merriman. Or even the Broncos winning SuperBowls and cirumventing the salary cap. Or dare I say it, even the Cowboys in the mid nineties who were obviously doing something to mask drug use.

Now - they were warned about this in the past and it is against league rules. A fine and the loss of their 1st round pick is probably enough to deter others from doing the same.

 

[aikemirv]

It isn't baseless. HE was part of the Pats organization. HE knew exactly how they did it and had a stakeout set up.

Why are Vick's codefendants rat snitches and Mangini isn;t? He only knew how they were cheating because he participated.

Maybe Mangini knew about it, did not like it and took the first chance out of NE. Would you punish him for that?

 

[YosemiteSam]

It isn't baseless. HE was part of the Pats organization. HE knew exactly how they did it and had a stakeout set up.

Yes, but he wasn't caught red handed, the Pats were. He was the catcher rather than the catchie.

 

[Vtwin]

I will be shocked if BB doesn't get at least the same deal that Wilson got.I'll be surprised if he doesn't get an even harsher penalty.Anything less then 5 games and a big fine and RG can kiss his credibility goodbye.

 

[dboyz]

There is an interesting Dr. Z article on this cheating recently put him. It seems this stuff has been going on with New England for quite a while.

A few thoughts:

1. Goodell should take his time and gather information. It appears this is not a one time deal for the Patriots. It's repeated, intentional and positively arrogant. Goodell should know ALL of the facts before he makes his decision.

2. If this reaches the highest levels, Belichik that is, and is as widespread as it sounds, (you should read the Dr. Z article) Belichik should get a one year suspension. This should not be taken lightly.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

There is an interesting Dr. Z article on this cheating recently put him. It seems this stuff has been going on with New England for quite a while.

A few thoughts:

1. Goodell should take his time and gather information. It appears this is not a one time deal for the Patriots. It's repeated, intentional and positively arrogant. Goodell should know ALL of the facts before he makes his decision.

2. If this reaches the highest levels, Belichik that is, and is as widespread as it sounds, (you should read the Dr. Z article) Belichik should get a one year suspension. This should not be taken lightly.

No link ?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Goodell suspended Wade Wilson for 5 games for using that steriod for medical purposes and he used the argument coaches must be held to a higher standard. What kind of standard does it show if Belicheck only gets suspended for 4 games -- nothing.

Here's the thing, HGH is actually *legal* in this country if prescribed by a doctor. I'm not sure if Wilson had a doctor's prescription, but it's different than a guy taking roids as this is actually legalized.




YAKUZA

 

[Doomsday]

Here's the thing, HGH is actually *legal* in this country if prescribed by a doctor. I'm not sure if Wilson had a doctor's prescription, but it's different than a guy taking roids as this is actually legalized.

YAKUZA

Wilson knew it was a banned substance and should of went through the proper channels to obtain it. No way would the league prevent him from taking medication that could help him. He circumvented the system and has to live with the consequences of doing so.

 

[xpistofer]

1. They forfeit the Jets game. Standings would then be: Jets 1-0, Pats 0-1

2. Belichick is suspended for 8 games. No contact with the team in any manner during that time.

3. The Patriots lose a day-1 draft pick. A 1st rounder if it ends up being #21 or lower or a 2nd rounder if they have a pick in the top-20.

If there is a second offense then it would result in a lifetime ban for Belichick and the forfeiture of multiple draft picks as well as a spot in the playoffs (if they earned one).

perfect...forfeit must be part of the equation...

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

you don't become a cheater over night. This dude has been raping the league for years. I would actually like to see a lifetime ban if it can be proved that this isn't the first time he's done it. If he's done it since he's been wth the Pats, they should be stripped of their titles under him.