Skins CB Shawn Springs' may be on the block because of cap

[Coakleys Dad]

Commanders are about 4M under the cap already. Just an FYI for folks around these parts.

Springs has played great football when healthy and if he is released it will be by his own doing in my opinion.

WOW...a whole 4 million under. Thats alot. (hint of sarcasm)

 

[AsthmaField]

Commanders are about 4M under the cap already. Just an FYI for folks around these parts.

I was on a website the other day that had every team listed and where they stood on the cap. The Commanders were shown as $2.4 million (I think) over the cap.

I can't remember which website it was (I got to it linked from a forum), so I'm not going to stand by it.

I'm sure you know what you're talking about as a rabid fan of the Commanders. Just like I know the Cowboys current cap status. So I certainly won't argue with you about it.

Still... you gotta admit... $4 million under the cap doesn't look too good. Not when you look at the status of all of the other teams.

It is nice for the Cowboys to be sitting where they are when all of the other NFC East teams are not even $10 millon below the cap.

 

[elitetrackstar]

well these are from January so any transaction (signing center) since then might make the table differ a bit

Link
http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp
Which kinda proves a point i've been trying to make that even though it looks like we have a ton of money, we're still #18... we can't actually go out and sign big name if other teams can fork more.

 

[silverbear]

Commanders are about 4M under the cap already.

Before re-signing Derrick Dockery, who would probably cost more than that all by himself... problem is, if you choose not to sign him, you then HAVE to go out and try to find a quality guard on the free agent market, meaning either the Skins pay that much money or more for one of the marquee guards on the market, or they pay a little less, and get a lesser player to plug in at guard...

In this market, 4 mil might not be enough to buy you a Tyson Walter (a slight exaggeration, but I hope you get my point), let alone a Nate Clements AND a London Fletcher (who are the two players rumored to be at the top of the Skins' list)...

To get Clements, the Skins would have to cut Archuleta and Springs loose... don't know who'd have to go to make room for Fletcher... Brandon Lloyd?? Mark Brunell?? If you cut Brunell, you then have to go find (and pay) a veteran backup QB...

Springs has played great football when healthy and if he is released it will be by his own doing in my opinion.

If he's cut, it will be due to a comination of factors-- his recent injury history, an unwillingness to play the renegotiation game to free up more cap room for the Skins, and the team's lust to replace him with Nate Clements, who will be VERY expensive...

 

[silverbear]

I was on a website the other day that had every team listed and where they stood on the cap. The Commanders were shown as $2.4 million (I think) over the cap.

Those might not be the most current numbers, pal... they might not reflect the release of Troy Vincent, or whatever cap room was freed up when Jon Jansen renegotiated his deal...

 

[silverbear]

well these are from January so any transaction (signing center) since then might make the table differ a bit

Link
http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp
Which kinda proves a point i've been trying to make that even though it looks like we have a ton of money, we're still #18... we can't actually go out and sign big name if other teams can fork more.

While money is the determining factor for many free agents, some of them might be looking for a good situation for themselves, someplace where they can contribute the most, or they might consider a certain NFL team to be "home", and would be willing to give that team a "home team discount"... or they might desperately want to work with a particular coach... or they might be looking for a place where they stand a chance of winning quickly (most of the teams with the outrageous cap room this year are currently cellar dwellers)...

Example-- Kris Dielman might be high on Wade Phillips, and might want to come play for him, indeed might be willing to come to Dallas for a bit less money than he'd take from a team like the Niners...

 

[AsthmaField]

well these are from January so any transaction (signing center) since then might make the table differ a bit

Link

Which kinda proves a point i've been trying to make that even though it looks like we have a ton of money, we're still #18... we can't actually go out and sign big name if other teams can fork more.

Hey... that's the link I was talking about that shows the Commanders at $2.388 million over the cap. That is old though, like Silverbear mentioned.

So the Commanders tinkered with Jansen's contract and cut Vincent.

I also found the current salary cap status on ESPN.com and the Commanders were at $4 million under the cap, just like SkinsandTerps mentioned.

It's going to be interesting to see if the Skins can actually sign Clements, Fletcher and a replacement for Dockery. If they do... there will have to be some major restructuring going on somewhere, that's for sure.

 

[zrinkill]

The Commanders will find away to be under the cap and get a couple of "big name" free agents ......

Then they will not gel and fall apart this year just like every other ......

Danny will never win a superbowl.

 

[Mansta54]

The Commanders will find away to be under the cap and get a couple of "big name" free agents ......

Then they will not gel and fall apart this year just like every other ......

Danny will never win a superbowl.

:suxskins:

 

[MossBurner]

He was your best corner last year when he was there and not sitting the bench injured.

I know he was out some... but he still provided good play for you guys when he was in.

Funny how suddenly he isn't any good since it looks like you can't afford him if you want to sign anyone else.:laugh2:

Ahhh... the joys of being 2 million over the cap.

Springs played horribly when he got into the games.

It's not a matter of not being able to afford him; right now the question is whether Williams wants him anymore. He is fragile and unproductive.

Skins are 5.3M under the cap and that number is rising due to restructuring.

I think you'll be surprised about who the Skins will sign.

 

[Hostile]

Springs played horribly when he got into the games.

It's not a matter of not being able to afford him; right now the question is whether Williams wants him anymore. He is fragile and unproductive.

Skins are 5.3M under the cap and that number is rising due to restructuring.

I think you'll be surprised about who the Skins will sign.

I remember when he was a top 5, maybe top 3 CB in the NFL. Ironically that was 2004 when I was saying it was crazy to get rid of Champ Bailey.

Maybe it's time you guys start listening? Just saying.

 

[Mansta54]

Springs played horribly when he got into the games.

It's not a matter of not being able to afford him; right now the question is whether Williams wants him anymore. He is fragile and unproductive.

Skins are 5.3M under the cap and that number is rising due to restructuring.

I think you'll be surprised about who the Skins will sign.

Restructuring is goona be yalls downfall. You're restructuring guys that you went 5-11 and finished DEAD LAST with. You restructured John Janson and he was terrible last year but you can't resign your best olinemen which is Dockery. Restructuring isn't a good thing in yalls situation.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Restructuring is goona be yalls downfall. You're restructuring guys that you went 5-11 and finished DEAD LAST with. You restructured John Janson and he was terrible last year but you can't resign your best olinemen which is Dockery. Restructuring isn't a good thing in yalls situation.

Are you talking about this cap hell that I keep hearing about year after year?

Jansen was terrible ? Really.

 

[jrumann59]

We actually tried to re-sign him 2 years ago when he was up for FA, but he choose the money and went to Minn. The players here love him and he knows the system. I'm not saying its a good idea or that I approve of it.......just sayin ya know?

As for Springs......well i love the guy and he plays at a high level when he is healthy. The key word being "healthy." Springs has missed way too many games for us to be paying him what we would have to in the upcoming seasons, so I would understand if we release him if he doesnt restructure.

Its funny when I said this about Springs and his comparisons to T-New every skins fans laughed at me and said Springs isn't injury prone, now that they are going to release him they say things like, "He isn't worth since he can't stay healthy, He is an all pro if ihe is healthy," The guy has only played like 5 complete seasons out of 10.

 

[Mansta54]

Are you talking about this cap hell that I keep hearing about year after year?

Jansem was terrible ? Really.

Yes, really!!! I think signing a younger and better Dockery is more important then restructuring a declining and older Jansen.. Don't know what games you watched but Jansen did't play well at all last year.

 

[Mansta54]

Are you talking about this cap hell that I keep hearing about year after year?

Jansem was terrible ? Really.

Yep!!! Thats what I'm talking about and its beginning to catch up to lil Danny. I hope yall keep restructuring players that you won 5 games with. Makes alot of sense!!!!:laugh2:

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Yes, really!!! I think signing a younger and better Dockery is more important then restructuring a declining and older Jansen.. Don't know what games you watched but Jansen did't play well at all last year.

How many sacks did Jansen give up (In which games) ? Dockery plays guard a much easier position to fill. As old as Jansen may be, tell me about his missed games over his career, tell me about his overall play during his career.

He was not nearly as bad as you suggest. And is still one of the best RTs in the NFL.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Yep!!! Thats what I'm talking about and its beginning to catch up to lil Danny. I hope yall keep restructuring players that you won 5 games with. Makes alot of sense!!!!:laugh2:

2 posts for the same quote ? You drinking this early ?


Cap hell will be knocking down the Commanders door pretty soon I guess. Who knew. I thought they were already under the cap. I wonder how much cap space Springs would free up ?

Any tidbits ?

 

[burmafrd]

There are different kinds of cap hell. The one the skins are in right now: scrambling to restructure, having to cut quality depth, etc.

 

[silverbear]

Springs played horribly when he got into the games.

And yet, in the first 5 games of the season that Springs missed, the Skins gave up an average of 236.4 yards per game passing, and 22.0 points per game...

In the other 11 games, they gave up 209.9 yards per game, and 19.0 points per game...

I dunno, the bottom line seems to be telling us that the Skins played better pass defense with him than without him...

I think you'll be surprised about who the Skins will sign.

If they sign anybody of note, it will be because they cut some folks... and after sending Ryan Clark and Walt Harris packing last year (and watching Harris go to the Pro Bowl with the Niners), and replacing them with megabust Adam Archuleta, perhaps the Skins should finally wise up, and realize that going out and buying all the "marquee" free agents you can possibly find every year hasn't worked for them...

In particular, you have to wonder about their ability to evaluate defensive backs...

As for being surprised about who the Skins will sign, with all those teams having all that cap room, they're likely to find themselves surprised at the bidding wars that will certainly come about for the best players... there will be numerous teams with a LOT of money to throw around... maybe the Skins can get to 10 mil under the cap, that will put them at about 25th in the league in cap room... the Boys are right around 21 mil after re-signing Gurode, and that only puts them around 18th in the NFL in cap room...

This year, ten mil won't buy what it would have in years past... example-- I'm already hearing that Kris Dielman and Eric Steinbach are looking for deals that average about 7 mil a year... that's more than Steve Hutchinson got last year, and neither one of them can carry Steve's jock...

Clements and Fletcher alone would almost certainly wipe out whatever cap room you guys could manage to manufacture-- IF you can get them to sign on... after years in Buffalo, they might want to go to a team with a real chance at going somewhere in the playoffs next year... or other teams might throw an obscene amount of money at one or both, effectively taking the Skins out of the picture...

And of course, if the Skins were able to nail down their top two targets, it's adios, Derrick Dockery, and hello, some scrub to take his place... it's also a wrap for them on the free agent market, and somehow, I think they might need JUST a bit more than a cornerback and a 32 year old middle linebacker...

One thing I just learned about Fletcher, that's REAL impressive-- in 9 years in the league, he's never missed a game... which probably means he's due for a serious injury, LOL... and Clements has never missed a game in 6 years...

At the same time, I have to note that Buffalo's defense hasn't been all that hot these last 2 years, giving up 329.6 yards per game in 06 (18th in the league), and 343.5 yards per game in 05 (29th in the league)... so I'm not sure that targeting the Bills' defensive free agents is the soundest strategy this season...