Skins Fans Crying

[TEK2000]

well, i can go to dallascowboyscentral and get the same treatment. booze bans me almost as fast as art would for disagreements.

You're comparing a very small forum of just 2,154 members to a forum of over 56,000 members. The larger forum should be filled with A LOT more varying opinions than the smaller one... but is it that way? Or have all the "glass is half empty" people been shoved out of ES as Alexander states?

 

[Alexander]

You're comparing a very small forum of just 2,154 members to a forum of over 56,000 members. The larger forum should be filled with A LOT more varying opinions than the smaller one... but is it that way? Or have all the "glass is half empty" people been shoved out of ES as Alexander states?

The thing is the 56,000 members figure is false. The majority of those are not active. Those that are active and dissent are quickly beaten down. And that's natural as a board often takes the personality of those running it.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I've got nothing against you at all if the big splashes make you horny.

 

[sbuscha]

Hostile,

You are by far one of the most intelligent posters on this board. I know that you know the 'backloaded' nature of the Skins' FAs' deals. Those players will never see the $30M value of their contracts. They are 25-26 year old guys thrilled to get 7-10M as a signing bonus with a 1-3M base salary for 3-5 years. Then, they will renegotiate or be gone.

All of the Skins' FAs essentially signed 5 year 16M deals, which is a bargain for the team and functionally serves as a test run during the prime of proven veterans.

Guess what? It doesn't take an intelligent person to see all the garunteed money that danny boy is giving these over paid, aging vets who, as you say, will never see the end of their contract.

Ah the beauty of an owner who knows how to manage a salary cap and team.

 

[BigDFan5]

reference the superbowl polls we had not long ago. that was meant to prove homer-ism in DC and yet, we outdid 'em or stayed close in the boards opinion *we* were gonna win it all.

We were nowhere close to them after a few days when I looked at it, We had about 50% to their over 70%

 

[lspain1]

Ah the beauty of an owner who knows how to manage a salary cap and team.

Our particular owner had to learn some difficult lessons in the school of hard knocks before he came to understand.

The other point I want to make is, in spite of terrible predictions of cap hell year after year, it never seems to happen to the skins. While I do not agree with Snyder's methods, his actions do not prove that his cap management skills are bad.

 

[iceberg]

We were nowhere close to them after a few days when I looked at it, We had about 50% to their over 70%

and 50% for a team who's not win a playoff game in a decade is a tad *unrealistic*.

 

[Alexander]

Our particular owner had to learn some difficult lessons in the school of hard knocks before he came to understand.

The other point I want to make is, in spite of terrible predictions of cap hell year after year, it never seems to happen to the skins. While I do not agree with Snyder's methods, his actions do not prove that his cap management skills are bad.

Snyder has learned.

He has stopped with the signing old players to big money.

He tried the trade draft choices for restricted free agents thing. That didn't work with Chad Morton or Laveranues Coles.

He is still doing odd things other than drafting well. And eventually, that will come back to roost.

This isn't the "Over the Hill Gang". Those days are over and frankly, they weren't that great either.

 

[iceberg]

Our particular owner had to learn some difficult lessons in the school of hard knocks before he came to understand.

The other point I want to make is, in spite of terrible predictions of cap hell year after year, it never seems to happen to the skins. While I do not agree with Snyder's methods, his actions do not prove that his cap management skills are bad.

but he's much more like a fan than a football pro. he does stuff a fan would do in getting any and every name possible.

 

[BigDFan5]

and 50% for a team who's not win a playoff game in a decade is a tad *unrealistic*.

That would be unrealistic IF the last decade had anything to do with this season. This season is independant of previous seasons. Which still does not negate the fact that the total here was nowhere NEAR the Extremeskins total, like you said

 

[big dog cowboy]

Snyder has learned.

He has stopped with the signing old players to big money.

A lesson I hope JJ has now learned.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Somone call the....

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[Alexander]

A lesson I hope JJ has now learned.

There is a difference. Jones did that out of loyalty. Ignorant, but admirable.

What Snyder did with Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders and Mark Carrier was just ignorant.

 

[big dog cowboy]

There is a difference. Jones did that out of loyalty. Ignorant, but admirable.

What Snyder did with Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders and Mark Carrier was just ignorant.

Very true. Different circumstances, same result.

 

[5Stars]

but he's much more like a fan than a football pro. he does stuff a fan would do in getting any and every name possible.

Hmmm....now, what poster here reminds me of this sentence?

 

[Big Country]

You don't understand the Commanders mindset. Having a brother who is sadly a Skins fan and becoming very much a homer, he and most of them feel every one they sign is better then the Cowboys. I once said to my brother that we now had probably the best 2-some WR in NFL. He immediately countered that no the Skins have that with the signing of Randal El, Lloyd & Moss. What I pointed out he was discussing 3-some, not the 2-some I stated, he simply said Skins had always been able handle Owens w/o any problem and that Lloyd's potential trumped our TO signing. I countered I was discussing potential with TO & Glenn but proven recent stats; but again all he talked about was El & Lloyde's potential in the Saunders offense & that Williams counter easily counter any offense we could throw at them.

I even mentioned we were going to primarily use 2 TE offense, pointing out versatility he would give us by putting TO & Witten? on one side & Glenn & Fasano? (or was it the other way around re TEs) on other side with Julius Jones in the backfield. No matter he said, Skins would simply counter with 6 DBs if necessary. Finally, I just changed the subject cause there simply no way of getting through to him. And my brother is one smart dude with doctorate, etc.

Sago...what's funny about what I bolded is really about WRs in the Saunders offense... I think back to what WRs the KC offense had... ??? The Chiefs have hung their hat on the running game for years now... Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson are monster running backs in that Saunders offense, but receivers??? When you watch NFL Prime Time on Sunday night, no team has more highlights in the running game like KC does. I'm not sure that Portis can do that in Saunders new offense... He is just not the big banger back like Holmes or especially L Johnson... But if they can get a 1 - 2 punch in that type of system, I think Cartwright might get some respectable numbers too... It's gonna take a team effort on that new Skins offense to make a dent against the Dallas D... But for now all that is paper talk... Translation comes in September.

Tony Gonzales is the main receiving weapon in that KC offense... they really don't have much of a WR threat IMO. Can Cooley become the Tony Gonzales of the Commander offense... Gonzales is a basketball player also and his athletic ability is more evident than Cooley, although Cooley has become a playmaker in his own right. Kennison and Dante Hall don't really scare teams on a consistent basis at reciever... Not that Dante Hall isn't special on special teams or at the end of the game in attack mode against Dallas...
B Lloyd and the hybrid WR Randle El will have to be patient route runners. It's gonna be interesting how quick Saunders system translates into DC success... My money is on Doomsday.:

 

[Alexander]

Sago...what's funny about what I bolded is really about WRs in the Saunders offense... I think back to what WRs the KC offense had... ??? The Chiefs have hung their hat on the running game for years now... Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson are monster running backs in that Saunders offense, but receivers??? When you watch NFL Prime Time on Sunday night, no team has more highlights in the running game like KC does. I'm not sure that Portis can do that in Saunders new offense... He is just not the big banger back like Holmes or especially L Johnson... But if they can get a 1 - 2 punch in that type of system, I think Cartwright might get some respectable numbers too... It's gonna take a team effort on that new Skins offense to make a dent against the Dallas D... But for now all that is paper talk... Translation comes in September.

Tony Gonzales is the main receiving weapon in that KC offense... they really don't have much of a WR threat IMO. Can Cooley become the Tony Gonzales of the Commander offense... Gonzales is a basketball player also and his athletic ability is more evident than Cooley, although Cooley has become a playmaker in his own right. Kennison and Dante Hall don't really scare teams on a consistent basis at reciever... Not that Dante Hall isn't special on special teams or at the end of the game in attack mode against Dallas...
B Lloyd and the hybrid WR Randle El will have to be patient route runners. It's gonna be interesting how quick Saunders system translates into DC success... My money is on Doomsday.:

Saunders' coaching past goes well beyond Kansas City. He was a Don Coryell protege. They could just as easily turn to an early 1980s San Diego Chargers system as run a ground offense like he did in KC. Remember, Gibbs won Super Bowls both ways. With a ground attack with Riggins and with a pass attack with Rypien. That's what is right about that system if you get the right players.

 

[Big Country]

Saunders' coaching past goes well beyond Kansas City. He was a Don Coryell protege. They could just as easily turn to an early 1980s San Diego Chargers system as run a ground offense like he did in KC. Remember, Gibbs won Super Bowls both ways. With a ground attack with Riggins and with a pass attack with Rypien. That's what is right about that system if you get the right players.

I knew Saunders was old school... I was hoping someone could spill more of what Saunders really meant to the league in terms of coaching philosophy and his offensive system's versatility... I just had not researched it in that depth... Thanks Alexander for the heads up post.

 

[iceberg]

Hmmm....now, what poster here reminds me of this sentence?

my guess would be a "fan" - not a coach.

 

[iceberg]

That would be unrealistic IF the last decade had anything to do with this season. This season is independant of previous seasons. Which still does not negate the fact that the total here was nowhere NEAR the Extremeskins total, like you said

if you go deep into the playoffs, it's NOT unrealistic to think moves made can help push you further. further for them *is* getting to the superbowl

further for *us* is hitting the playoffs.

then winning one.

then building up more as you go.

to think we can go from missing the playoffs 2 straight years to the superbowl and that 1/2 of our fans in here believe that *is* a tad unrealistic.

you sound like you were in that 50% who thinks we can. : )

i agree each year is independant, however, it's still a part of a growth pattern unless you shell the team and start over. seeing as how we've not done that, we're still growing and to simply bypass not winning a playoff game in 10 years to 50% of our fans thinking we'll win it - homers.

not a bad thing at all and not insulting at all - again, it's what most fans do. it's just funny to see them then turn around and point out the same behavior of another team THEN try to justify theirs while in the same breath ripping hte other fans for the very same thing.

homer-crites vs. hypocrites??? >g<