Skins Fans Crying

[burmafrd]

The last 10 years how many teams have gone from not making the playoffs to winning it all in one year? Several have. So there is recent historical support for our "homers".

 

[iceberg]

The last 10 years how many teams have gone from not making the playoffs to winning it all in one year? Several have. So there is recent historical support for our "homers".

so say'eth the "yes-fan".

 

[rexrobinson]

No matter he said, Skins would simply counter with 6 DBs if necessary.

Putting 6 DBs back to make sure Witten, Fasano, Owens and Glenn are properly covered is playing in to EXACTLY what the 2 TE base set wants.

Julius Jones is licking his chops thinking about that!

 

[burmafrd]

I know that some here do not like facts since it tends to run counter to their agenda. Look at how many teams have done a huge turnaround- bigger then the one we would do if we win it all this year. And NONE of those teams were projected to accomplish anything near what they did. One can learn from history if one is REASONABLY intelligent.

 

[iceberg]

I know that some here do not like facts since it tends to run counter to their agenda. Look at how many teams have done a huge turnaround- bigger then the one we would do if we win it all this year. And NONE of those teams were projected to accomplish anything near what they did. One can learn from history if one is REASONABLY intelligent.

feel free to list 'em on out so we can hash this deeper.

 

[peplaw06]

Putting 6 DBs back to make sure Witten, Fasano, Owens and Glenn are properly covered is playing in to EXACTLY what the 2 TE base set wants.

Julius Jones is licking his chops thinking about that!

Man beat me to it... I wish this guy was the Commanders D Coordinator. :laugh1:

 

[burmafrd]

Rams the year before they won the SB were not in the playoffs. The Pats First SB came after a non playoff year. They did not make the playoffs the year AFTER their first SB win. Then they won it again. The steelers two years ago were 6-10 and went to 15-1. The Panthers in their SB year came from a losing record to just one or two plays from winning it all. DO you want more?

 

[Bizwah]

if you go deep into the playoffs, it's NOT unrealistic to think moves made can help push you further. further for them *is* getting to the superbowl

further for *us* is hitting the playoffs.

then winning one.

then building up more as you go.

to think we can go from missing the playoffs 2 straight years to the superbowl and that 1/2 of our fans in here believe that *is* a tad unrealistic.

you sound like you were in that 50% who thinks we can. : )

i agree each year is independant, however, it's still a part of a growth pattern unless you shell the team and start over. seeing as how we've not done that, we're still growing and to simply bypass not winning a playoff game in 10 years to 50% of our fans thinking we'll win it - homers.

not a bad thing at all and not insulting at all - again, it's what most fans do. it's just funny to see them then turn around and point out the same behavior of another team THEN try to justify theirs while in the same breath ripping hte other fans for the very same thing.

homer-crites vs. hypocrites??? >g<

Sorry, but burmafd is right.....

Any team...and I mean any team is capable of a SB run nowadays. That's today's NFL for you. It happens each year. A team that was ho-hum one year, surprises people the next.

How are we any different? How are the Skins any different? How are the Eagles or Giants any different?

Seattle and Denver both went 9-7 in 2004. Denver went deep into the playoffs, and Seattle went to the SB.

Fans see what happened to those teams, and get excited about our possibilities. Why is that unrealistic?

If this was 1995, then I'd see your point. A 9-7 team that missed the playoffs two straight years, would be several good offseasons from competing for a SB.

But not today.

 

[iceberg]

Rams the year before they won the SB were not in the playoffs. The Pats First SB came after a non playoff year. They did not make the playoffs the year AFTER their first SB win. Then they won it again. The steelers two years ago were 6-10 and went to 15-1. The Panthers in their SB year came from a losing record to just one or two plays from winning it all. DO you want more?

how many of these had no playoff win in 10 years?

i'm not saying it's impossible - i'm saying it would be more likely if we showed we can win a playoff game first.

 

[iceberg]

Sorry, but burmafd is right.....

Any team...and I mean any team is capable of a SB run nowadays. That's today's NFL for you. It happens each year. A team that was ho-hum one year, surprises people the next.

How are we any different? How are the Skins any different? How are the Eagles or Giants any different?

Seattle and Denver both went 9-7 in 2004. Denver went deep into the playoffs, and Seattle went to the SB.

Fans see what happened to those teams, and get excited about our possibilities. Why is that unrealistic?

If this was 1995, then I'd see your point. A 9-7 team that missed the playoffs two straight years, would be several good offseasons from competing for a SB.

But not today.

it's not unrealistic to get optimistic - part of all the fun. but *to me* (and i try to refrain from this blanket "right/wrong" crap when talking opinions) if you've not shown you're capable of winning a playoff game in the last decade, then why all of a sudden is *this* year of hope and optimism (seems we are every year) THE year it will finally happen?

guess i need more building blocks to help me connect the dots other than
Dallas ------------- superbowl
being all i need to say "it can happen!!!"

can it? sure. odds of it? a little more remote. the skins at least showed they can go deep into the playoffs to have that warm fuzzy.

 

[Bizwah]

how many of these had no playoff win in 10 years?

How does this factor into the equation? Turnover is so high for every team, only the recent past (one or two years) makes any difference.

But I'll bite....

The Rams for one.....Carolina had playoff woes as well. I don't think they won a playoff game since they beat us. The Seahawks also had their playoff woes....remember the "We'll take the ball, we're gonna score" line from Hasselbeck? I don't remember them winning too many playoff games before last year.

 

[burmafrd]

I guess its just a little too obvious for some. In todays watered down NFL, when the cap and FA prevents any team from really becoming a monster, then it is a lot easier to go from nothing to winning it all. And not winning a playoff game in 10 years means exactly WHAT? We have not had a really good team in 10 years. OR maybe we had some bad luck, or played a bad game, etc. RECENT history shows that a quick turnaround to winning it all is just about common. 2-4 years is really all that matters in todays NFL. SO if you just go over say the last 5 years- look at the teams that have been in the SB or won it all- HOW many have been in the playoffs EVERY YEAR? OR have won a playoff game recently?

 

[Alexander]

How does this factor into the equation? Turnover is so high for every team, only the recent past (one or two years) makes any difference.

But I'll bite....

The Rams for one.....Carolina had playoff woes as well. I don't think they won a playoff game since they beat us. The Seahawks also had their playoff woes....remember the "We'll take the ball, we're gonna score" line from Hasselbeck? I don't remember them winning too many playoff games before last year.

Even when you prove his stance wrong, he will spin it another way.

You are wasting your time. That's what happens when you debate with someone whose mind is made up.

In the iceberg world, we didn't do what he wanted so no matter what we are doomed. We didn't draft or sign splashy OL. We still have Coach Parcells as our coach. We are doomed.

 

[burmafrd]

Even when you prove his stance wrong, he will spin it another way.

You are wasting your time. That's what happens when you debate with someone whose mind is made up.

In the iceberg world, we didn't do what he wanted so no matter what we are doomed. We didn't draft or sign splashy OL. We still have Coach Parcells as our coach. We are doomed.

Seems right to me- but it is fun to keep playing him like a fish on a hook.

 

[Alexander]

And not winning a playoff game in 10 years means exactly WHAT?

It means nothing. Except in the minds of some fans who have high standards, yet have no clue how the sport actually works. Everyone expects to win. But a smart person can see why we didn't, see what we are doing to get it right and quits living in the past.

 

[Bizwah]

it's not unrealistic to get optimistic - part of all the fun. but *to me* (and i try to refrain from this blanket "right/wrong" crap when talking opinions) if you've not shown you're capable of winning a playoff game in the last decade, then why all of a sudden is *this* year of hope and optimism (seems we are every year) THE year it will finally happen?

guess i need more building blocks to help me connect the dots other than
Dallas ------------- superbowl
being all i need to say "it can happen!!!"

can it? sure. odds of it? a little more remote. the skins at least showed they can go deep into the playoffs to have that warm fuzzy.

I'll also say that several NFL pundits agree with some "unrealistic" fans.

Some have picked us to win it all.

Now, I'm not ready to go that far yet. I'll think we'll make the playoffs if we stay healthy, but I don't think any fans being unrealistic to call it.

I'm still trying to understand how not winning a playoff game in ten years has any relevance to us possibly winning a SB this year.

 

[5Stars]

I guess its just a little too obvious for some. In todays watered down NFL, when the cap and FA prevents any team from really becoming a monster, then it is a lot easier to go from nothing to winning it all. And not winning a playoff game in 10 years means exactly WHAT? We have not had a really good team in 10 years. OR maybe we had some bad luck, or played a bad game, etc. RECENT history shows that a quick turnaround to winning it all is just about common. 2-4 years is really all that matters in todays NFL. SO if you just go over say the last 5 years- look at the teams that have been in the SB or won it all- HOW many have been in the playoffs EVERY YEAR? OR have won a playoff game recently?

I also think Iceberg is forgetting who all the "coaches" were for most of those last 10 years, and who was doing the "drafting" during most of those 10 years...

 

[Alexander]

I also think Iceberg is forgetting who all the "coaches" were for most of those last 10 years, and who was doing the "drafting" during most of those 10 years...

It doesn't matter.

He wants results and wants them NOW.

 

[5Stars]

I'm still trying to understand how not winning a playoff game in ten years has any relevance to us possibly winning a SB this year.

It doesn't have any relevance at all...


It's like saying New Orleans has not had a bad hurricane in the last 30 years...and then BOOM!

 

[iceberg]

It doesn't matter.

He wants results and wants them NOW.

how can i ask for results NOW when i'm NOT the one advocating we're gonna win the superbowl this year?????? the results i want is PROGRESS to make that a more realistic goal. i would say those harping we can and *will* win it this year want results NOW.

alexander, that statement kinda blows me away. all along on several forums i've HATED this "shotgun approach" we're on now that's designed to WIN NOW cause i want to build for LONG TERM - which IS NOT winning NOW, now is it?