Skins get Duckett in 3 team deal

[DCBoysfan]

Betts will be traded for O-line depth. The Skins wanted a goal-line back and Betts doesn't really fit that role. Duckett is one of the best in the business at scoring from within 5 yards. CP's fantasy stock just dropped.

But why would another team make a trade for a player that can't stay healthy??...to make a trade you must have a willing trade partner. In addition the Skins now need to extend Duckett's contract to get a good return on their investment.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Bad move, huh? Here, take a look at this video and tell me where he "tiptoes" through the hole. For a big boy he's got some speed to go along with the power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvgQDM5433U

If you are going to make assinine comments like you did atleast back it up with some proof.

Fickle fans like you kill me. It's not just 'boys fans either. I thought that was an amazing catch that Glenn made the other night and of course some 'skins fans claimed it to be offensive pass intereference. Yeah, okay.

Risco is making the same comments that the Falcons organization and coaching staff, fans, and media have been making about Duckett for years.

I could probably dig up footage of Duckett vs. the Bears on Sunday Night Football last year where Duckett hit the hole too slow 3 times in a row and was massacred by the Bears defense on a short yardage play and they didn't get the first down.

The Falcons wanted to get rid of Duckett because of his lack of speed and tip toe-ish ways. That's unless you believe they feel that Norwood, a rookie who played QB in high school and college, is ready to be a full time backup after 15 preseason carries.


YAKUZA

 

[Hostile]

Anyone know a good Broncos site? I have a feeling they are the happiest fans in the NFL right now. I'd like to see that kind of unadulterated joy.

Imagine if someone had given us potentially a 3rd and a 4th round pick for Troy Hambrick. I'd have probably been thrown in jail for public celebration run amok.

Oh wait, Hambrick was undrafted while Duckett was a 1st rounder.

Okay, imagine the same trade with someone giving us that for Blair Thomas after he played here briefly.

 

[KINGGIBBS]

He's worth 2 draft picks because of one play that happened in the past?

Prediction...by year's end Skins fans will be sick of him.

I doubt it. He's been brought in to take on a Gerald Riggs type role, not as a feature back. Can you honestly say that he's not going to be a great addition to spell CP in short yardage situations with the beast Sellers blocking for him? That's a scary scenario for any defender.

I'm not happy about yet another draft pick being traded, but to say Gibbs knows what he is doing is an understatement.

BTW. I'm so sorry I don't have every play that TJ has been in to appease you.

 

[wileedog]

I doubt it. He's been brought in to take on a Gerald Riggs type role, not as a feature back. Can you honestly say that he's not going to be a great addition to spell CP in short yardage situations with the beast Sellers blocking for him? That's a scary scenario for any defender.

Its been said before, but I'll re-iterate it.

Any time you take Portis off the field for this guy you are doing us a favor.

 

[Hostile]

I doubt it. He's been brought in to take on a Gerald Riggs type role, not as a feature back. Can you honestly say that he's not going to be a great addition to spell CP in short yardage situations with the beast Sellers blocking for him? That's a scary scenario for any defender.

I'm not happy about yet another draft pick being traded, but to say Gibbs knows what he is doing is an understatement.

BTW. I'm so sorry I don't have every play that TJ has been in to appease you.

Oh, the poor widdle feewings got hurt.

You brought up footage, I made a comment about it. Get over it and toughen up. I didn't ask you to appease me of anything.

TJ Duckett as Gerald Riggs is hilarious. Duckett couldn't carry Riggs jock. Not even with "the Beast" Sellers blocking for him behind a great OL.

They spiked your Koolaid KG. That means the hangover awaits.

 

[superpunk]

Just decided to visit the Falcons MB...

LMAO! Dunn runs harder than Duckett does on a consistent basis. I liked the guy but some of you are making him out better than he was/is.

Yes, he was intimidating at the end of the season...39 carries for 43 yards, Whoa! I liked TJ at the goal line but that was it!

 

[KINGGIBBS]

Oh, the poor widdle feewings got hurt.

You brought up footage, I made a comment about it. Get over it and toughen up. I didn't ask you to appease me of anything.

TJ Duckett as Gerald Riggs is hilarious. Duckett couldn't carry Riggs jock. Not even with "the Beast" Sellers blocking for him behind a great OL.

They spiked your Koolaid KG. That means the hangover awaits.

Wow, you're a mature one aren't you? Sounds like you are actually bitter about us getting Duckett and that you are the one who's feelings got hurt.

I came on here to discuss a trade that was within our division and wanted some honest opinions from fans with a little football knowledge. Something you clearly lack. You seem to have a rant of an eight year old and you also seem to play the role of the internet tough guy.

 

[KINGGIBBS]

Just decided to visit the Falcons MB...

LMAO! Dunn runs harder than Duckett does on a consistent basis. I liked the guy but some of you are making him out better than he was/is.

Yes, he was intimidating at the end of the season...39 carries for 43 yards, Whoa! I liked TJ at the goal line but that was it!

Again, I strictly like him for short yardage situations and nothing more. I'm thrilled to have the guy because of that because Betts is not your typical short yardage back and will be a career backup due to his lack of durability.

 

[SultanOfSix]

I don't really know anything about Duckett, but from all of the information, it seems the 'Skins gave up way too much for him. And from past history results where the 'Skins and Broncos are involved in trade negotiations, it seems like the Broncos tend to get the better end of the deals.

As far as Duckett being a supposed "battering ram" and that he should be scary come goal line situations, two points need to be made.

1) Will the 'Skins even get to the goal line as often as they did last year with an aging Brunell and an injured Portis (if he's out for an extended period of time)?
2) As far as the 'Boys are concerned, I don't think it's that big of a deal that he's this big and powerful battering ram now that the defense is built to be both big and fast.

 

[InmanRoshi]

If you think the Commanders traded off a 3rd round pick and a 4th round pick for a bit, role runningback to pick up 3rd and shorts, either you're dreaming or the Skins WAY overpaid. You could have found a big RB on the waiver wire cuts in the next couple of weeks to do that.

Obviously, they are extremely concerned about Portis' shoulder, as well they should be.

 

[kmd24]

It's been reported that the Broncos wanted an "early third round" pick for Lelie. Assuming that this is indeed what the Broncos wanted, here are some examples for the various scenarios:

An early 3rd rounder is worth ~240 points.

Swapping first rounders only: This would happen if, for example, the Broncos lose the AFCCG (draft pick ~620 points) and the Skins just miss the playoffs (around the 20th pick, worth ~850 points).

Broncos get the Skins 3rd rounder: The Skins would have to be pretty bad for this scenario. Think 4-5 wins. Probably not gonna happen.

Broncos get 3rd rounder plus swap first round picks: This would happen if, for example, the Broncos lose the AFCCG (~620) and the Skins make the playoffs but lose in the divisional round (3rd ~145, 1st ~720 so swapping 1st has a value of about 100)

Broncos get 3rd and 2008 4th: I assume this is in play if the Skins finish better than the Skins.

Broncos get 2008 4th and swap 1st rounders: This would likely happen if the two teams finished right next to each other or a couple of spots apart, as a 2008 fourth rounder is worth about 35 points, and the late 1st rounders differ in value by 20 points.


Clear as mud?

 

[KINGGIBBS]

If you think the Commanders traded off a 3rd round pick and a 4th round pick for a bit, role runningback to pick up 3rd and shorts, either you're dreaming or the Skins WAY overpaid. You could have found a big RB on the waiver wire cuts in the next couple of weeks to do that.

Obviously, they are extremely concerned about Portis' shoulder, as well they should be.

Good observation. But, can you name one player to fill that role and the fact that Portis' shoulder is a concern is all the more reason to trade for TJ. Gibbs has made all the right moves thus far and i have no reason to doubt him over this one.

Look, I'm not a complete homer and my posts on ES will indicate that. See the latest Lumsden thread as an example.

 

[kmd24]

Look, I'm not a complete homer and my posts on ES will indicate that. See the latest Lumsden thread as an example.

Well, let's just see what you wrote...

I don't understand the man crush on Lumsden. While I certainly would like to see him succeed, remind me again on what exaclty he has done thus far to earn a spot on the team?

Wow, saying something like that about the 5th string RB? Dude, quit drinking the haterade.

 

[superpunk]

Again, I strictly like him for short yardage situations and nothing more. I'm thrilled to have the guy because of that because Betts is not your typical short yardage back and will be a career backup due to his lack of durability.

I said it before. Someone needs to get Duckett to the goal line first. Betts isn't that guy, and Portis is obviously seriously hurt. I don't see the point in having Duckett, in that case.

 

[KINGGIBBS]

Well, let's just see what you wrote...



Wow, saying something like that about the 5th string RB? Dude, quit drinking the haterade.

Hey some people were actually calling for a Betts trade and having Lumsden as our backup. I'm glad that I could make you laugh though. It's one of my strong characteristics.

 

[KINGGIBBS]

I said it before. Someone needs to get Duckett to the goal line first. Betts isn't that guy, and Portis is obviously seriously hurt. I don't see the point in having Duckett, in that case.

It's not just for goal line situations. Remember how difficult it was for us to convert third and short last year?

 

[wileedog]

Look, I'm not a complete homer and my posts on ES will indicate that. See the latest Lumsden thread as an example.

Then ask yourself this. If the Cowboys dealt two draft picks and a possible swap of #1's with a playoff caliber team for a one year rental of a first round bust, would you be happy about it or worried about our newfound short yardage back?

Cause I know I would be flippin furious if the Cowboys made this deal, even if our #1 back had shoulder problems.

 

[superpunk]

It's not just for goal line situations. Remember how difficult it was for us to convert third and short last year?

No. Somehow I missed charting the Skins third and short conversion pct. From a stats perspective, Duckett isn't gonna make that any better. He was far worse than Portis last year on 3rd and short.

 

[KINGGIBBS]

Then ask yourself this. If the Cowboys dealt two draft picks and a possible swap of #1's with a playoff caliber team for a one year rental of a first round bust, would you be happy about it or worried about our newfound short yardage back?

Cause I know I would be flippin furious if the Cowboys made this deal, even if our #1 back had shoulder problems.

I already stated that I'm not happy about trading picks, again. But, IF he turns out to be a good pickup and does indeed have an impact than it will ease the pain.

There are a few scenarios that could make this a bad deal, but there are just as many that can make this one helluva pickup. I guess we shall wait and see.