Skins much easier to beat now...

[silverbear]

If this guy was so good why was Jansen starting?

Heyer is the second coming of Rob Petitti...

 

[silverbear]

Hmmm, I seem to remember a lot of pessimism around here when Campbell did poorly against the Titans in preseason... But, the #4 defense in the NFL and he CONSISTENTLY put the skins in a position to score and get the lead, even if it didn't show in the stats, and you say, CRAP!

Yeah, a 54.2 quarterback rating is on the crappy side... especially considering it would have been 43.3 but for that fluke Hail Mary that almost ended the game on the last play of regulation...

It must be easy to live in a world that consists only of black and white...

Said the man who is apparently trying to spin Jason Campbell's play yesterday into a good thing... to me, a black and white world is somewhat preferable to living in yours, where the sky is apparently green and the grass blue...

Campbell was bad against the Fins, period... what did he have, one completion over 20 yards?? And that was the 54 yard fluke Hail Mary at the end of regulation...

One of these days, y'all may find yourselves a QB as talented as Tony Romo, then you MIGHT get some idea of what good QB play looks like...

 

[silverbear]

I'll take 16 points on the Fins defense and a win

Which just proves that your team is bad enough that you have to content yourself with shaky victories against inferior teams...

 

[silverbear]

Campbell hasn't done anything, I don't know where you get that he's a slow starter

He is a slow starter...

Then, as the season wears on, he falters...

 

[silverbear]

Let's see there, the number 4 defense last year that STILL has Zach Thomas, picked up Joey Porter and STILL has Jason Taylor. Yet Campbell led us to put up 400 yards but yeah, your right, he can't play...

Joey Porter is way past his prime... the three tackles he put up in that game is about as good as it'll get with him...

And Campbell was quite bad yesterday... I'll admit, he didn't get much help from his stone-handed receivers, but that's a problem he'll be dealing with all season long...

In addition, that 400 yards is smoke and mirrors... on the last play of regulation, the Skins had put up all of 288 yards of total offense, on 53 plays (5.3 yards per play)...

Then came a fluke 54 yard Hail Mary, and a 58 yard drive in overtime... which was the ONLY time all game that the Skins moved the ball effectively... even then, that final drive consisted of exactly two passes, a 2 yard completion to Sellers and a 10 yarder to Cooley...

Way to "lead the team", Jason... way to keep on handing the ball off in overtime... ROTFLMAO...

I swear, there's nobody like you Skins homers for seeing a silk purse when somebody hands you a sow's ear... your capability for ignoring reality is just pure comedy... it would be frustrating, but year in and year out there comes a point when y'all realize that you've been deluding yourself, and your message boards are BIG fun when it gets to that point...

 

[silverbear]

We came in positions to score. How can you deny we didn't man handle them. Only gave up one sack

Two sacks, one by Taylor, one by Thomas...

And of course, y'all only dropped back to pass 23 times, counting the 2 sacks... it's pretty tough to rack up big stat totals when the other team is keeping it on the ground...

 

[silverbear]

first of all, he [ stephon heyer ] was going up against ( for the most part ) against the defensive player of the year.

And the defensive player of the year had 5 tackles, a sack and a forced fumble... given that the Skins only TRIED to throw the ball 23 times all game, it would be tough for a DE to put up much better stats...

 

[silverbear]

:shoot6: ...



Like I said earlier... if thats the only thing you got to say to an argument, then I got nothing to worry about

Well, you might want to have a little talk with your high school English teacher, LOL...

 

[silverbear]

Not exclusively. I don't have any game tape, but from what I saw he had plaenty of help from TE's and backs.

Yeah, there's definitely a reason why Cooley only had 1 catch for 10 yards, that coming in the overtime...

I've heard anywhere from 4 weeks to the rest of the season as a prognosis for how long Jon will be out, and I have enough expertise in the area of ankle injuries (long story, just trust me I know bad ankles) to know that not all ankle dislocations are created equal... but so long as Jansen is out, you can expect Cooley's stats to suffer, because the Skins WILL use him to help out Heyer a lot...

It's the same thing that happened to Witten's numbers when the Boys went with Petitti at OT... so there's a definite loss that ripples past the loss of Jansen when you have to replace him with Stephon Heyer...

 

[silverbear]

I don't know....I thought his deep throws to ARE were both very good. Right on the money....not ducks at all.

I think he was referring to that Hail Mary fluke...

 

[silverbear]

Campbell suffers from inconsistency. At moments he looks like a Pro Bowler and then a complete dud. If he gets better or not, who knows. I do know that our offense is good enough to be in the top 10 this year, same with our defense.

Last year, I said the reason Campbell didn't turn the ball over was the Skins wouldn't let him take chances downfield... they didn't want the kid to make confidence-damaging mistakes, so they protected him by pounding the ball and throwing it short a lot...

Part of the reason they did that is the Skins' offensive line was a good run blocking offensive line, but a less than adequate pass blocking unit... the Skins' coaches realized this, and compensated by leaning on the short pass... it was a sound strategy, actually...

I predicted late last season that sooner or later, they'd have to take the wraps off of Campbell, and he'd have to step up and start making plays downfield, or the offense would be easy to defend against... I also predicted that when that finally happened, Campbell would start making the mistakes he didn't make last year...

Well, they let Jason look downfield yesterday, he was only sporadically effective, and he made mistakes... and when the Skins got the ball in overtime, they pounded it with the run, while Campbell attempted two short passes, a 2 yarder to Sellers and a 10 yarder to Cooley...

I'm curious to see if that last drive reflects a loss of confidence in Campbell on the Skins' part, and if they go back to the conservative game plans we saw at the end of last year against the Iggles...

I want to be quick to point out that not all of this is on Jason, his wide receiver corps other than Moss is dreck, and even Santana hurt the team yesterday... and with Jansen hurt, the Skins kept Cooley in to help Stephon Heyer a lot, which is why he only had that one 10 yard reception in overtime... that effectively took Campbell's security blanket out of the passing attack... and as I've said, his offensive line isn't gonna give him 4-5 seconds to let patterns develop downfield, he needs to get the ball off quicker than that...

If he had a better receiving corps and a better pass-blocking offensive line, his numbers would likely be better than this... if Moss holds on to those two drops yesterday, Jason's quarterback rating would look a wee bit better...

But at the same time, the bottom line is the bottom line, and Jason's numbers were marginal last year, and pretty bad in this first game, and some of that has to be laid on him... I still don't see where he has what it takes to be a playoff-caliber QB year in and year out in the NFL... indeed, he's lookin' more and more like Patrick Ramsey to me with each passing game...

 

[silverbear]

Wrong, he's definitely out for the year and maybe more.

Wow, that's just bizarre; until 2-3 years ago, that dude was indestructible, now he's breaking down most every season, and sometimes real early in the season...

I agree with another poster that the Skins may improve without him, though. Jon's definitely lost a step.

Granted, but your problem is Stephon Heyer is about as good as Rob Petitti was when he started for the Cowboys as a rookie, which is to say not very... and what does it say about Todd Wade, that they preferred to move a rookie who had played left tackle all preseason over to right tackle, rather than let Wade, who has experience there, jump into the starting lineup??

Worst of all is the negative impact having Heyer in the lineup will have on Chris Cooley's receiving stats... ask Jason Witten how much fun it was staying in to help Petitti out that season, and what it did to his receiving numbers...

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

Which just proves that your team is bad enough that you have to content yourself with shaky victories against inferior teams...

The dolphins team isnt that bad. They have a top 5 defense from last year, which is returning everyone, and adding Joey Porter. They have a 4000 yard passer at the helm, and a pro bowl calibur reciever in Chambers. I truely think you are downplaying there abilities.

Lets just hold off all our assessments until you all play them next week

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

Wow, that's just bizarre; until 2-3 years ago, that dude was indestructible, now he's breaking down most every season, and sometimes real early in the season...



Granted, but your problem is Stephon Heyer is about as good as Rob Petitti was when he started for the Cowboys as a rookie, which is to say not very... and what does it say about Todd Wade, that they preferred to move a rookie who had played left tackle all preseason over to right tackle, rather than let Wade, who has experience there, jump into the starting lineup??

Worst of all is the negative impact having Heyer in the lineup will have on Chris Cooley's receiving stats... ask Jason Witten how much fun it was staying in to help Petitti out that season, and what it did to his receiving numbers...

Todd Wade was inactive yesterday, which is the only reason why he didnt play. He will surely be the starter come next week.

Whats the spin now? You want to keep talking about Heyer?

 

[silverbear]

I disagree Hos, just like the boys, if we stay healthy, can be great on either side of the ball.

I'm sorry, but even if your offense doesn't suffer another injury the rest of the season, it's still not good enough to be a top 10 offense... your QB showed you yesterday what's likely to happen if you ask him to put the game on his arm rather than relying on a short passing offense and a strong running game-- he'll make rookie mistakes... your line is a fine run blocking unit, a shaky pass blocking unit, and your wide receivers are borderline dreadful... you guys will rank high in rushing offense at season's end (if you stay healthy), but will almost certainly not be in the top 20 in passing offense... it may well be in the bottom 5 or 10...

I've already gone on record as saying the Skins' defense will finish in the middle of the pack... I agree with Hos, 15th sounds about right... y'all will be among the league leaders in run defense, you're looking real good in that area, but once again, your secondary is vulnerable... Green completed 63 per cent of his passes, mostly of the short variety, which is exactly how opponents had success against the Skins' D in the preseason (opposing QBs completed over 65 per cent of their passes in preseason, with the opposing "starters" up around 67 IIRC)...

Again, this is all predicated on the Skins staying pretty healthy the rest of the way... in that case, I could see a best-case scenario of an offense ranked around 20th, a defense ranked around 15th, which would likely translate into a record in the 7-9 range, 8-8 tops... naturally, that could get worse in a hurry if they suffer injuries, because in most cases (running back being a notable exception) they have little to no quality depth...

Campbell had a rough start, but that's hardly indicative of an entire season.

Well, he wasn't under much pressure from the pass rush and he had a very effective running game going on, both of which should have optimized his chances for having a good ball game, and he didn't... what exactly do you think will change from this game, or the games he had last season??

If anything, that last drive ought to tell you that the Skins will show a tendency to going to leaning on the run and the dump pass when the game gets tight, which means they won't be gambling on Jason's arm to carry them...

Wouldn't it be ironic if Gibbs turned Jason into a Parcells-esque "bus driver"?? That appears to be exactly what's happening, and if I'm right about that, it's another indictment of Gibbs' second tenure as head coach of the Skins... when Campbell came out of college, his strong suit was taking the ball down the field; if the Skins were gonna spend a first round draft pick on a QB with those skills, it seems to me that they should be tailoring the offense around those skills, rather than turning him into a dink and dunker... what's ironic about that to me is the first time around, Gibbs featured a downfield passing attack, and was not reluctant at all to put his full faith and wide-open mindset in the hands of a new QB... now he won't trust the kid to do what he's best suited to do...

I know the game had changed some when Gibbs got back into it, but to me his failing this time around was he failed to remember what he did that made him great the first time around-- a pounding running game combined with a downfield passing attack, rooted in the best offensive line around at the time, the Hogs... this time around, all he has is the running game... he neglected to build a deep and dominating offensive line, and his passing offense offers little in the way of a downfield threat... instead, whoever quarterbacks the Skins, be it Brunell or Campbell, the dump pass is the bread and butter play...

 

[silverbear]

Skins fan here. Tough break for Jansen, but between Wade and Heyer I think we will be okay. Run game looked good. Campbell was inconsistent again...he has yet to put a full game together. Hits the tough passes but misses the easy ones. Had a couple drops....but he is still a question mark. Run defense looked great. Pass defense was average to below average. Smoot was bad and I don't know where Springs was. Landry, Fletcher, and Mcintosh are running the show just like preseason.

So far we look like the 8-8 team I thought we were.

Man, that's as fair an analysis as I've seen from a Skins fan, perhaps ever... right down the line, can't find even something minor to quibble with...

Watching the Boys-Giants game. Cowboys look good, even with the banged up secondary. Romo looks good. He is quick and accurate throwing over the middle. If defenses can take away the middle and force him to throw to the sidelines they might have a chance or else he'll eat them up with Owens/Witten all day.

How kind of you not to mention our defense, LOL...

I'm thinking you know your football, and better still, can look at your own team with an unprejudiced eye... which means they'd probably hate you over on Extremeskins...

 

[silverbear]

The dolphins team isnt that bad. They have a top 5 defense from last year, which is returning everyone, and adding Joey Porter. They have a 4000 yard passer at the helm, and a pro bowl calibur reciever in Chambers. I truely think you are downplaying there abilities.

They were a 6-10 team last season, fired their head coach... which means they're now a team implementing all new philosophies on both offense and defense... not to mention a new QB, who's got an offensive line that's not NEARLY as good as the one he just left...

If the Dolphins are a .500 team at the end of this season, I'll be completely shocked...

 

[silverbear]

Todd Wade was inactive yesterday, which is the only reason why he didnt play. He will surely be the starter come next week.

Whats the spin now? You want to keep talking about Heyer?

And why was Wade inactive, rather than Heyer?? One's a veteran who can play either tackle position, the other's a rookie in his first NFL game...

Clearly, the coaching staff feels that Heyer is better than Wade is, and I'm telling you that Heyer is gonna be a problem for y'all as long as he remains the starter...

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

And why was Wade inactive, rather than Heyer?? One's a veteran who can play either tackle position, the other's a rookie in his first NFL game...

Clearly, the coaching staff feels that Heyer is better than Wade is, and I'm telling you that Heyer is gonna be a problem for y'all as long as he remains the starter...

It's because he was injured genius. God your dense.

per Commanders.com...

Gibbs decided to deactivate offensive lineman Todd Wade prior to the game. It's likely that Wade would have stepped in for Jansen if he was active, but he had been slowed by a shoulder injury during preseason

any more brainteasers?

 

[AmishGangsta]

And why was Wade inactive, rather than Heyer?? One's a veteran who can play either tackle position, the other's a rookie in his first NFL game...

I think it's a HUGE injury. Despite the fact that Jansen struggled in the preseason, he's always been a stalwart during the regular season; I might be able to get some Boys fans to agree with me on that, now that he's gone for the year. I think father time is starting to catch up with Jansen.

I'm not sure what's going on with Wade, he spent so much time playing guard this year, I think it might take some time before they feel comfortable with playing him at tackle again.

I'm not necessarily sure why you speak so lowly of Heyer, other than the fact that he was undrafted -- I guess you could make the argument that the guy must suck because 32 teams passed on him or whatever...

The kid didn't give up any sacks and the Skins were able to run on a very stingy run defense -- they gave up two sacks, mostly the fault of Campbell, for holding onto the ball too long, I mean, I guess you could make an argument that their defense has aged quite a bit in the last one year or so. I think the Phins have a good team and they'll finish second in their division.
We'll just have to wait and see how well they perform against the boys next week.

I was at the game, the offensive line pushed the Dolphins all over the field -- even after the Jansen injury; every run seemed to be atleast 5-6 years; Campbell had all day to throw the ball—the offensive line is the least of my concerns.