So doing drugs and beating the crap out of someone are almost identical?

[trueblue1687]

Just talked to a couple of pals with Nashville Metro PD. They said the rumor about contacting Gurode is a half truth. His agent has apparently (as already reported) inquired with the DA regarding criminal charges...probably to set up a good civil suit. One drives the other. However, the PD are more than willing to carry out the DA's wishes whatever they turn out to be.

Haynesworth has a history of trouble herre in TN. Some has been documented, some has not. While at U.T., he was a regular ding dong, but was constantly bailed out by Fulmer and friends of the DA. There was a recent (fairly recent...year or so) incident of road rage where he tried to run a woman off the road with his humongous F650 or whatever that thing is. It is HUGE. Anyway, she was pressing charges, then "reached an agreement" with Haynesworth and the charges were dropped. He has a history of ******** actions...this comes as no shock to those of us who have dealt with him.

 

[aikemirv]

It is not up to the NFL to press charges. They did their job and if the amount is close to 1/2 million like they said last night I think the fine is adequate. The fact of the matter is that if Gurode presses charges criminally or in a civil suit the fine could be much more. I think the punishment is pretty fair.

By the way drugs are illegal too. Plus they get 3 chances for that suspension. This was a first offense 5 game deal - I don't think the two are comparable.

By comparison sake 5 games in the NFL is like:

50 in Baseball

25 in NBA

If somebody gets suspended for that many games in those sports it is a BIG deal. This is a big suspension!

 

[YosemiteSam]

You get 4 games for drugs and steroids, but only one more game for slapping your cleats to someone's face, what should get you charged and arrested. Hmmm, does anyone else think that is really freakin ridiculous? Seriously, stop and think about that!

He should've been out atleast half a season, if not all. Precedent or no precedent.

I agree. His season should be over. If I were Andre I would sue him and the NFL for not properly protecting him as a player. That in no way that should be tolerated at all. Suspend him for the year. If it ever happen again, his career would be finished.

 

[Derinyar]

It is not up to the NFL to press charges. They did their job and if the amount is close to 1/2 million like they said last night I think the fine is adequate. The fact of the matter is that if Gurode presses charges criminally or in a civil suit the fine could be much more. I think the punishment is pretty fair.

By the way drugs are illegal too. Plus they get 3 chances for that suspension. This was a first offense 5 game deal - I don't think the two are comparable.

By comparison sake 5 games in the NFL is like:

50 in Baseball

25 in NBA

If somebody gets suspended for that many games in those sports it is a BIG deal. This is a big suspension!

How often in those sports does someone do something extra ciricular that could concievable break someones skull. I think the closest thing to compare to in baseball would be the batter turns around rips off the catchers head gear and whacks him with the bat twice. Think that would only get 51 games?

 

[conner01]

you do realize the 4 game drug suspension is NOT for your first failed test?

 

[Stautner]

You get 4 games for drugs and steroids, but only one more game for slapping your cleats to someone's face, what should get you charged and arrested. Hmmm, does anyone else think that is really freakin ridiculous? Seriously, stop and think about that!

He should've been out atleast half a season, if not all. Precedent or no precedent.

Criminal charges are still an option.

 

[links18]

How some people think this was less than a criminal offense. Or that the punishment should be lessened by the fact that Gurode didn't loose an eye or go on IR. Is it the intention embodied by the act we are concerned about or the result? As a former judicial officer, I can tell you that Haynesworth's actions are considerded 1st degree assault and a felony offense (at least in my jurisdiction).

 

[Stautner]

How some people think this was less than a criminal offense. Or that the punishment should be lessened by the fact that Gurode didn't loose an eye or go on IR. Is it the intention embodied by the act we are concerned about or the result? As a former judicial officer, I can tell you that Haynesworth's actions are considerded 1st degree assault and a felony offense (at least in my jurisdiction).

As a former judicial officer you should know that the result of the action does matter. It's the difference between murder and attempted murder.

I'm not saying that the offense isn't criminal - in my mind it is - but the law does consider the severity of the injuries in determining the charge and the punishment, so the NFL shouldn't be chastised for doing the same.

 

[links18]

When it comes to assault the result of the assualt does not matter, its the intention of the assualt. If I take a baseball bat and swing it at your head, but miss, that's still a felony assualt and I could still go to jail for up to 25 years. (at least in my jursidiction).

 

[Stautner]

When it comes to assault the result of the assualt does not matter, its the intention of the assualt. If I take a baseball bat and swing it at your head, but miss, that's still a felony assualt and I could still go to jail for up to 25 years. (at least in my jursidiction).

"COULD" being the key word.

The sentencing guidelines might be the same whether you make contact or not, but the reality is that if you miss the actual sentence is likely to be at the very low end of the possible range, and if you make contact and permanently impair the victim it will be at the high end of the range.

That's not to mention the fact that it is very likely that if a person swings and misses there will be a plea bargain and the charge and penalty will be reduced.

 

[aikemirv]

Swinging a bat at someones head very well could be construed as attempted murder. I am not sure that stopming at ones head would be looked at in the same way.

I don't think they are the same. Not making excuses for him because it was very bad, but I don't think they are the same.

 

[joseephuss]

Reminds me of the attempted hold by the Commanders against Ellis. He wasn't penalized just for attempting to hold, but would have been had he succeeded.

 

[DLCassidy]

You wonder whether Haynesworth is taking an undetectable steroid. What he did looks like roid rage. Or maybe the guy is just loony. Either way, although I'm not at all surprised he didn't get a harsher penalty, he really should be gone for the year. I consider the prior incident with the road rage to be part of a pattern and I'm not sure 5 games sends an adequate message. I guess Andre would have needed to be blinded for him to get what he deserves.

 

[Stautner]

Swinging a bat at someones head very well could be construed as attempted murder. I am not sure that stopming at ones head would be looked at in the same way.

I don't think they are the same. Not making excuses for him because it was very bad, but I don't think they are the same.

You're missing the point.

I wasn't saying that stomping on Gurode's head was attempted murder.

The point was that how severe the result of the action is does determine the severity of the punishment.

links was saying that in the law it wouldn't matter if Gurode lost his eyesite or merely sustained a cut - that the intent is all that matters.

The attempted murder vs. murder analogy was only meant to show that the law does, in fact, consider the result and not just the intent when punishing criminals.

 

[tommyboy10]

I understand some people have the opinion that 5 games is alot, and I respect that......BUT..... five games ain't jack when you look at what he did. Dude was laying on the ground....WITHOUT a helmet....defenseless....He got off easy...too easy.

And I am disappointed in Jeff Fisher a little too. He should've stepped up a little more...added a game or two, even with pay...but keep him off the field...send that extra message from the team. But then again, heck, he wants to win...and his team sucks! LOL

Maybe they'll go get Ahmad Carroll to help them out now that he is looking for a gig