So long Mike, Payton is on his way!

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fair, but he did get a team 2 the SB as HC. Is he markedly lesser than Sean is? Sean could have EASILY lost that SB the Saints won. 9 times outta 10, Falcons win that SB that Brady stole from them. It was a fluke. I think he is right on par with him.
Kyle Shanahan. He does not comprehend late game O's, or ball control O's. He had Ryan taking 7 and 9 step drops and the WR's running long routes w/ a 2-3 score lead in the 4th qtr. Amazingly dumb.

I know that's not Shanny's O, but any NFL OC absolutely must have a contingency plan for late game ball control. I mean, same crapp happened to the Oilers back in the day, you'd think NFL personnel would have learned that the run and shoot sort of O gasses your D.
 

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Yeah it's getting worse unfortunately, I think people are beyond frustrated and just don't know how else to deal with it.

I can understand that but if I was that frustrated I'd just quit watching. Why be so upset over something so stupid and something you have 0 control over. It's a football game.

I haven't watched a Mariners game in 6 years because I finally just couldn't stand how awful they are as a franchise. However, I'm not going to go to their forum and just constantly **** on them every day. Some people still enjoy rooting for them. Why would I care? If that makes them happy go for it. I can honestly say when I get sick of this franchise. I Will move on with my life. I'll still hope for them to succeed of course, but I won't be on a forum crying about it.
 

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So, we will have 2 new starting WR, 2 new starting offensive tackles, a new starting LG, 1 new starting DE and Jerry really thinks it matters if Tyron gets healthy for the playoffs. LOL, just LOL.......Get ready for no first round pick next year, Payton will be the Cowboys HC. History has repeated its self, he hired 3 moron HCs in between Jimmy and Bill, now he has done the same since Bill cause if he doesn't it's his *** on the line in the media.
Did you really just put Bill in the same sentence as Jimmy? wow...
 

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Big Mike…
15 seasons, 10 playoffs
10-9 playoff record
143-92-2 career record
1 Super Bowl

Sean Payton
15 seasons, 9 playoffs
9-8 playoff record
152-89 career record
1 Super Bowl

Here is a fact…McCarthy is as good a coach as Payton.

Here is another fact. Coaches are only as good as the organizational leadership that empowers them. Neuter your coach you basically have set him up to fail right out of the gate.
 

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I don't see this happening at all ...... If Mike loses his job I see Quinn being next head coach
 

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I certainly could be dead wrong…but I strongly believe there is NO WAY Sean Payton is the next HC of the Dallas Cowboys. The way that guy has been a HC in the past allowed him to have authority over the locker room, roster, and other areas that most NFL HCs have…except in Dallas.

In order for Sean Payton or any other big name NFL head coach to come here, major changes will need to happen in the way this organization is run. Folks this organization is an outlier. NFL head coaches who are used to having normal HC authority don’t come to Dallas.

Of the 8 head coaches Jerry Jones has hired, only two ever had the authority of a normal NFL HC- Jimmy and the Big Tuna. And the only reason Parcells had it was because JJ was preoccupied with building his stayjum.

If Sean Payton is coming to Dallas it means Jerry has decided to take a lesser role. Anybody here believe that’s happening?
Are you accounting for the relationship between Payton and Jerry?

They both know what they are getting into, and even Jerry knows he needs to cede control eventually.

Does he want to just walk away and leave it up to everyone else to figure out what to do, or does he want to have a solid HC/GM in place when he finally does quit?

I think it makes full sense that Jerry would bring his trusted friend in here to work with the kid in his absence.

Maybe with an overlap of a couple of years.....but I dont at ALL understand why it seems so far fetched to anyone that Payton would come here under that scenario. We are talking Gruden money.

I almost consider it a foregone conclusion that Jerry's ultimate plan is to bring him here once he is forced to take even more of a backseat by age.

He also isn't going to be able to sell another puppet to the fans after this MM thing doesnt pan out.
 

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So, we will have 2 new starting WR, 2 new starting offensive tackles, a new starting LG, 1 new starting DE and Jerry really thinks it matters if Tyron gets healthy for the playoffs. LOL, just LOL.......Get ready for no first round pick next year, Payton will be the Cowboys HC. History has repeated its self, he hired 3 moron HCs in between Jimmy and Bill, now he has done the same since Bill cause if he doesn't it's his *** on the line in the media.

Terrence Steele is hardly a new starter. In two years on the team, Steele has started 24 of 33 regular season games. He may not have been listed on the depth chart as the starter, but he started 24 games in replacing injured starters La'el Collins and Tyron Smith over the past two seasons. Certainly, he hasn't proven to be a star, but he's been able to start at the Pro level. Also, if the Cowboys didn't have confidence that McGovern was ready to become a starter in his 4th year on the team, then they wouldn't have been so willing to allow Connor Williams leave. So, while he is a "new" starter, it's not as if he hasn't played at the NFL level.

Also, CeeDee Lamb is not a new starter, and Michael Gallup (barring additional injury) will likely be back for the 3rd game of the season, and be available to start 15 of 17 games. That isn't "2 new starting WR." If you include being the 3rd WR as being a starter, then James Washington has also "started" games in the NFL, and he'll likely be back for the 2nd half of the season.

NFL teams have to deal with injuries - all NFL teams. Declaring that the sky is falling because the Cowboys have experienced some unfortunate injuries is very premature. The Cowboys drafted Tyler Smith to eventually replace Tyron Smith. Because he wasn't a top 10 pick like Tyron, I doubt anyone - including the Cowboys brain trust - expects Tyler Smith to be as good as Tyron has been the last 12 seasons. But it isn't necessary for Tyler Smith to be the best Tackle in the league - a status conferred by many on Tyron Smith during portions of his career - in order for Tyler Smith to be competent. I'm more worried about penalties with Tyler Smith than I am about him being unable to handle pass rushers.

As for missing Amari Cooper, it is time for Dak to prove his value. Great QB's, like Brady, Rodgers, and even lesser QB's like Romo have proven they can win with middle level talent at the WR position. Either Dak is good enough to achieve with average to above average talent in his receiving corps, or he isn't. If he's not, then the Cowboys don't have much of a chance of getting to the Super Bowl anyway. Both CeeDee Lamb and Michael Gallup were #1 receivers in college. So was 3rd round pick Jalen Tolbert. The Cowboys have a 1st round pick, and three 3rd round pick WR's on the roster. They have what appears to be at least two good options at Tight End in Shultz and Ferguson, and Hendershot is a comer. They have two starting level RB's that are both good receivers. Heck, even Terrence Steele caught a TD pass from Prescott last year. There are plenty of receiving options for the Cowboys. If Dak isn't good enough to take advantage of his options, that is on Dak - not the front office.
 

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Here is another fact. Coaches are only as good as the organizational leadership that empowers them. Neuter your coach you basically have set him up to fail right out of the gate.

True. Lombardi would struggle in Dallas.
 

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Dallas won't give up the draft picks to get him. He still has 2 years left on his Saints contract.
 

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You Payton fans really need to re-watch that playoff game with the no call PI because that one play changed what the real story would have been.

Pay close attention to the discussion between Aikman and Buck on how shocked they are at the play calling. Then that play happens and changes the story of that game.
 

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Ok, give the guy his due. He found Romo for us. He took an injured Drew Brees that SD did not want to re-sign and turned him into a first ballot HOF QB. When Brees arrived in New Orleans, he wasn't even considered a pro bowl QB. Sean Payton absolutely gets the credit for coaching up Drew Brees and designing an offense around his talents. He also won a super bowl in New Orleans which was a backwater franchise that had never contended for anything prior to his arrival. We used to celebrate seeing the Saints on our schedule until he got there.

So, he is a future HOF coach. That being said, I don't think he can duplicate his success in Dallas. No HC has ever lead to 2 organizations to a super bowl. Its never been done. So, asking him to come here and win a super bowl is setting the bar at making history while being saddled with Jones boys around his neck. No way he signs up for it.

Sean Payton is a great coach but he hasn’t accomplished anymore than McCarthy. His playoff record is 9-8 and McCarthy’s is 10-9 and both have one Super Bowl win. Nothing is going to change with Sean Payton as the Cowboys head coach with Jerry Jones in control. We didn’t go anywhere with Bill Parcells. Regardless the head coach it’s been pretty much the same results. Sean Payton is going to go where the money is and where he has the best chance to win and that won’t be in Dallas. Some team is going to offer him a lot of money and give him a lot of control if not all control with personnel. He’s never going to get close to the control he needs to be successful under the Joneses. Someone is going to give Sean Payton the Bill Belichick treatment and that won’t be the Joneses.
 

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Dont want Payton - will not make a difference, Stuck in purgatory with the Jones
 
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Don’t be so sure Payton will cost a first

there were reports earlier that a deal for Payton could have been had for a second rounder
It's not that simple

Teams can't dodge the Rooney Rule
 

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Big Mike…
15 seasons, 10 playoffs
10-9 playoff record
143-92-2 career record
1 Super Bowl

Sean Payton
15 seasons, 9 playoffs
9-8 playoff record
152-89 career record
1 Super Bowl

Here is a fact…McCarthy is as good a coach as Payton.
But... But.... But...
 

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Same was said about Parcells. $ talks

It was more than money that was involved -- it was surrendering the GM's hiring and firing duties involved, also, until Jerry hired TO. Shortly after that, the Tuna decided Dallas wasn't for him. Parcells got that job largely because Jerry wanted to get his new stadium built and even gave up his GM hiring duties to get it. Then, Jerry hired TO. After that, Parcells wasn't a happy camper. Would Jerry give up his GM powers to suit Payton? There's room for doubt about that and room for doubt if Payton would even agree to coach here. It's about far more than $$. Giving up high draft picks might yet be another barrier.
 
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Quinn wasn't good as a HC the first time around. What have you seen that makes you think he can do the HC thing at a high level?

Many coaches are failures at the top level, the question is what did you learn from it?

I think Quinn took a common stand back and let his coordinators run their units, it would seem he's more hands on and player motivational here, All successful HCs are hands on ... or the opposite of the chubby one.

I guarantee you, is the offense played with the heart of the defense last year, we'd have gone further.
 

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The only reason Payton would even consider coming here is for his last FAT paycheck before he retires.
Hold a small cup for any expectations you might have with him taking over as coach cause Jones aren't going anywhere and meddling is their best qualification!!!
Exactly $
 

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It was more than money that was involved -- it was surrendering the GM's hiring and firing duties involved, also, until Jerry hired TO. Shortly after that, the Tuna decided Dallas wasn't for him. Parcells got that job largely because Jerry wanted to get his new stadium built and even gave up his GM hiring duties to get it. Then, Jerry hired TO. After that, Parcells wasn't a happy camper. Would Jerry give up his GM powers to suit Payton? There's room for doubt about that and room for doubt if Payton would even agree to coach here. It's about far more than $$. Giving up high draft picks might yet be another barrier.
BS….jerry still had his hand in the pot no way TO was a Parcells choice
 

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BS….jerry still had his hand in the pot no way TO was a Parcells choice

So, I guess that why, Parcells wouldn't mention TO by name huh?

Good thinking. Not BS. That was my thought all along. Dirty stuff.
 
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