So much for banning Jerry

[T-RO]

Problem is, the Cowboys are a privately owned company. Jerry is the owner not the elected CEO. He will do as he pleases.

He has that right, it's true. And I can do as I please.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Problem is, the Cowboys are a privately owned company. Jerry is the owner not the elected CEO. He will do as he pleases.

Sure.

But, like any other owner in sports, he does pay attention to the bottom line and it does affect the decisions he makes.

Like I stated, in 2002 the Cowboys finished 4th in the Harris Interactive Poll of Who is your favorite NFL team? Prior to that they were always #1.

And after that year he hired Parcells.

It may be hard to convince him otherwise now that the stadium is built. But, I tend to believe that if you start affecting the money or give an indication of affecting the money, he pays attention. The other part is that he does not have 100% ownership in the Cowboys. There are various other corporations that do. He just has the majority ownership. If those other people and corporations with ownership shares start to pull out, he really starts paying attention.





YR

 

[RastaRocket]

He has that right, it's true. And I can do as I please.

Never said you couldn't. I just said Jerry doesn't care.

 

[RastaRocket]

Sure.

But, like any other owner in sports, he does pay attention to the bottom line and it does affect the decisions he makes.

Like I stated, in 2002 the Cowboys finished 4th in the Harris Interactive Poll of Who is your favorite NFL team? Prior to that they were always #1.

And after that year he hired Parcells.

It may be hard to convince him otherwise now that the stadium is built. But, I tend to believe that if you start affecting the money or give an indication of affecting the money, he pays attention. The other part is that he does not have 100% ownership in the Cowboys. There are various other corporations that do. He just has the majority ownership. If those other people and corporations with ownership shares start to pull out, he really starts paying attention.





YR

Hmm... I thought Jerry was the 100% owner.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

If you love the cowboys you have to hate the cancer. Jerry is the cancer. You are the one dishing the bullcrap.

Jerry is part of the Cowboys whether you like it or not. He is the organization just like the Rooneys are the Steelers, John Mara is the Giants and Bob Kraft is the Patriots. The only team one can get away from having to deal with the owner as the organization is if you root for the Packers.

It's like if there was a restaurant called 'Cowboys' that people really liked and it was a steakhouse. People loved the product, the location, the owners way of running the place, etc.

Eventually the owners sell the restaurant to a new ownership and it is still called 'Cowboys'. But now it is a burger place. And after a while the 'fans' of Cowboys still kept coming there, but all they did was complain about the owners. When asked 'if you hate it so much, why don't you leave' and they will reply 'Cowboys was here before the new owners and this isn't the Cowboys I grew up on!'

There is no law that says you can't stop liking a team when the new ownership comes along and changes the way they run things. But, if you keep saying nothing good about the owners, then you're running down the team as a whole. Your previous love for the Cowboys was built on how that ownership ran the organization. And all of these threats of boycotting and whatnot are just empty threats from people that are seeking attention.





YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Hmm... I thought Jerry was the 100% owner.

I don't think any team in the NFL has a 100% ownership. You would be surprised how many people own shares in each team. A few years ago they showed the breakdown of ownership of the Raiders, essentially a team that Al Davis created. Davis needed to get money from other companies/organizations that owned the team. IIRC, he was selling off some shares for that money and then taking that money so he could make those ridiculous FA signings.

I would be willing to bet that if you did a full Financial Report for the Cowboys you would see that the City of Arlington owns part of the team, probably some construction companies that helped build the Stadium and I wouldn't be surprised if Roger Staubach had some shares as well given his wealth and status. You may get some large corporations like AT&T, GE, etc. with some shares in the organization as well.




YR

 

[T-RO]

Sorry Rich....your analogy fails badly......And you are in the minority in your views. 90% of Cowboy fans hate Jerry Jones quite passionately. Many are staying away from the games. Many are becoming apathetic. And yes some are flat leaving altogether.

The Rebellion is sweeping away the sheep.

 

[RastaRocket]

I don't think any team in the NFL has a 100% ownership. You would be surprised how many people own shares in each team. A few years ago they showed the breakdown of ownership of the Raiders, essentially a team that Al Davis created. Davis needed to get money from other companies/organizations that owned the team. IIRC, he was selling off some shares for that money and then taking that money so he could make those ridiculous FA signings.

I would be willing to bet that if you did a full Financial Report for the Cowboys you would see that the City of Arlington owns part of the team, probably some construction companies that helped build the Stadium and I wouldn't be surprised if Roger Staubach had some shares as well given his wealth and status. You may get some large corporations like AT&T, GE, etc. with some shares in the organization as well.




YR

You're probably right. Google can't help me on this one, but it makes too much sense. Only thing I got was some WikiAnswers that said 99.9% ownership but it had nothing to back up the answer.

 

[RastaRocket]

Sorry Rich....your analogy fails badly......And you are in the minority in your views. 90% of Cowboy fans hate Jerry Jones quite passionately. Many are staying away from the games. Many are becoming apathetic. And yes some are flat leaving altogether.

The Rebellion is sweeping away the sheep.

I don't hate the guy, I think a lot of people see Jerry as a very likable person. I may not like him as the GM, but other than that I think he's a good dude.

 

[T-RO]

I don't hate the guy, I think a lot of people see Jerry as a very likable person. I may not like him as the GM, but other than that I think he's a good dude.

For every one of us posting in this thread...there are 100 fans so turned off they don't bother anymore with the Cowboys. And I'm beyond tired of it too right now...soo...off to chat something relevant: The Rangers.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Sorry Rich....your analogy fails badly......And you are in the minority in your views. 90% of Cowboy fans hate Jerry Jones quite passionately. Many are staying away from the games. Many are becoming apathetic. And yes some are flat leaving altogether.

The Rebellion is sweeping away the sheep.

You have zero evidence. The stadium is sold out. We still continue to have the longest streak of games sold out on the *road*. And the TV ratings still go thru the roof.

I don't think that even here 90% of the people hate Jerry Jones.

I say if you hate it so bad, don't mess around and make idle threats...just find another team to root for and do it expeditiously. I would have far more respect for the person that does that then the person that just continues to punish themselves with hating their favorite team.





YR

 

[T-RO]

You have zero evidence. The stadium is sold out. We still continue to have the longest streak of games sold out on the *road*. And the TV ratings still go thru the roof.

I don't think that even here 90% of the people hate Jerry Jones.

I say if you hate it so bad, don't mess around and make idle threats...just find another team to root for and do it expeditiously. I would have far more respect for the person that does that then the person that just continues to punish themselves with hating their favorite team.





YR

The stadium is sold out sure...filled 30% by fans from opposing teams...and 50% by fans who angry, bored, or disenchanted. I've talked to season ticket holders, lifelong fans, etc....I haven't met one...NOT ONE...fan who isn't sick in his belly about the cancer called Jones. I'm sure such fans exist...but I haven't met one in person.

If there was a poll in the DFW about who is the most hated man in the community...Jerry would get 10 times the vote of anyone else.

 

[big dog cowboy]

And look what I got for xmas.

200 bucks worth of Dallas cowboys stuff.... A cowboys Lounger and floor mats , among a lot of other stuff,,,,

http://www.thefind.com/merchandise/info-dallas-cowboys-furniture

http://www.homedepot.com/p/FANMATS-...Piece-Heavy-Duty-Vinyl-Car-Mat-8274/203130520

Contrats I'm jealous.

 

[mooseq]

Well I went to the season opener vs the Giants and I spend over $1,000 in the stadium store there. ooopps

 

[Rockport]

Really? How am I wrong?

Saving yourself some T-Shirts and Jerseys each year is going to do nothing to Jerry's pocket books. Like I said in a previous thread, what does Jerry have going for him? Oh, nothing but major college football games, international soccer events, NFL revenue sharing, TV deals, AT&T naming rights, tickets that will be sold to either Cowboy fans or away fans, and much much more from the NFL side of things. You honestly believe that fan merchandise is where Jerry makes his money? If he sells less they will produce less, matching demand, and continuing to profit. But lets be real, that is never going to happen no matter what you do yourself, because Jerry will continue to get his even with fan merchandise. On top of that he has multiple other streams of income flowing into his pockets from investments like Papa Johns, oil, and whatever else rich people like himself make money off of (probably some hedge funds and things of that nature).

Not to mention the guy is 71 years old, and owns the #3 highest valued sports franchise in the entire world only behind Manchester United and Real Madrid. He purchased the Dallas Cowboys for $140 million, now worth over $2 billion. Go make a dent in Jerry's pockets! I believe in you!

Never said just merchandise. Imagine a home game with 25,000 in attendance. Yes, it could happen.

 

[Dodger12]

It's an 'indicator' or future success or lack thereof. You need indicators to help forecast financial upturns or downturns. If you are posting on forums and have high search engine optimization data, that would indicate that your sales will only continue to be good. If they take a turn for the worse, that is likely to mean that eventually the sales will go down. That doesn't mean that is the present time the sales will go up or down, but those metrics given an indication of what will happen with sales down the road. So yes, it affects Jerry because like any billion dollar company, the CEO is going to be made aware of how well the branding part of the company is performing. That's what most people don't understand. They can have an impact on things if they quit the team all together and if they can't stand it, I suggest they do themselves the favor.

The Harris Poll is not an indicator of future success. It's an indicator of past success. The Cowboys are always near the top because of the history of the brand and Jerry the marketer.

Tampa Bay is historically middle of the pack in popularity and they win the SB in the 2002 season and they go from #18 in 2002 to #4 in 2003. They go 7 and 9 the following year and they drop back to #17.

The Saints win the SB in the 2009 season and guess where they go from #24? The jump to #5 the following year in 2010.

Tennessee goes 13 and 3 in 2008 when they were ranked #25 and they jump to #9 the following year.

San Francisco starts losing int he mid-2000's and they drop from #2 all the way out of the top 10 in 2008.

The whole darn thing is a popularity contest. Look at the Saints from 1998 to 2010 (24, 19, 25, 29, 30, 29, 31, 21, 17, 24, 5). Look at New England from 1998 to 2010 (16, 11, 8, 19, 3, 3, 5, 6, 2, 5, 6) . Go to a SB or win a SB, and you'll jump from #19 to #3.

In essence, win and you'll rate well in Harris. Continue to lose, and you'll drop, unless you're the Cowboys. It's a testament to Jerry's marketing prowess that he's kept the team relevant for almost 20 years with little more than a 500 record. That's why he's not worried about fan apathy because it's his job to put on a "show" and young Cowboys fans today like the "show" because they sure as hell haven't won anything in their lifetime that they can remember. It's the WWE mindset. Couple that with rabid fan loyalty from folks like me who watched them in the 70's and Jerry has the market cornered. I'm not buying his marketing ******** because I know better and I've seen better. But the young folks will and that's who he's "selling" his team to with a wink and a smile.

 

[RastaRocket]

Never said just merchandise. Imagine a home game with 25,000 in attendance. Yes, it could happen.

And we'll be taking vacations to Mars next year.

Companies will buy tickets, away fans will buy tickets, and not nearly enough fans will stop buying tickets.

 

[cml750]

I'm going to pay for it in the end. It never works. My son wants to see the stadium and go to a playoff game if the Niners face the Cowboys at Jerry world. Yes, he is a Niners fan, oddly enough.

Well at least your son can tell a good head coach when he sees one.

BTW- if I were you, I would seriously rather fly my kid to San Francisco to see a Niners game than put a single cent in Jerry's pocket at this time. My son is a Cowboy fan and he knows we will not be seeing a game in person until things change.

 

[CowboyFan4Eva]

So you're saying that she is a smart one...

I'm saying.........okay, yes. That's exactly what im saying ...

Okay but Jerry Jones OWNS the Cowboys............and the organization is staying in his family long after you and I are gone. If you don't like Jerry that's fine. But I think its silly you are trying to separate the two. If you can't get behind a team ran by Jerry Jones you should find another team because he's going nowhere is my point.

Just curious, where you a Cowboy fan when as a owner Jerry gave you 3 rings? But you're not one because he won't hire a GM and he's stuck through mediocrity?

Fair question. And yes. I thought he was he greatest thing since sliced bread. But, history, 17 to 18 years of it, has taught us.....it was more jimmy Johnson, then jerry thst made that success.

And. People are continually changing, growing...etc etc,in different ways, I think jerry has lost sight or any interest on what is right for this team. I think he let his ego drive him.....,and, that would be okay, but you have to produce....and he has not done that. Not even close.

To further exasperate the situation, he has dug in, and is being incredibly stubborn at the expense of many cowboys fans, and some great football players that play here in Dallas....

 

[Rockport]

And we'll be taking vacations to Mars next year.

Companies will buy tickets, away fans will buy tickets, and not nearly enough fans will stop buying tickets.

Defeatist mentality.