So much for banning Jerry

[Yakuza Rich]

The Harris Poll is not an indicator of future success. It's an indicator of past success. The Cowboys are always near the top because of the history of the brand and Jerry the marketer.

Tampa Bay is historically middle of the pack in popularity and they win the SB in the 2002 season and they go from #18 in 2002 to #4 in 2003. They go 7 and 9 the following year and they drop back to #17.

The Saints win the SB in the 2009 season and guess where they go from #24? The jump to #5 the following year in 2010.

Tennessee goes 13 and 3 in 2008 when they were ranked #25 and they jump to #9 the following year.

San Francisco starts losing int he mid-2000's and they drop from #2 all the way out of the top 10 in 2008.

The whole darn thing is a popularity contest. Look at the Saints from 1998 to 2010 (24, 19, 25, 29, 30, 29, 31, 21, 17, 24, 5). Look at New England from 1998 to 2010 (16, 11, 8, 19, 3, 3, 5, 6, 2, 5, 6) . Go to a SB or win a SB, and you'll jump from #19 to #3.

In essence, win and you'll rate well in Harris. Continue to lose, and you'll drop, unless you're the Cowboys. It's a testament to Jerry's marketing prowess that he's kept the team relevant for almost 20 years with little more than a 500 record. That's why he's not worried about fan apathy because it's his job to put on a "show" and young Cowboys fans today like the "show" because they sure as hell haven't won anything in their lifetime that they can remember. It's the WWE mindset. Couple that with rabid fan loyalty from folks like me who watched them in the 70's and Jerry has the market cornered. I'm not buying his marketing bull**** because I know better and I've seen better. But the young folks will and that's who he's "selling" his team to with a wink and a smile.

It's an indicator of future financial success which was the context of my post.

I would imagine that it's something that the Cowboys and other organizations are aware of. And the SEO and trending data is as well. And you bet your bottom dollar that the Cowboys closely follow their SEO and trending data. You can't be a good marketer without it.

Dallas fell all the way to 4th and it was a downward trend that indicated that his sales are likely to go down. Jones also hired Parcells at that time. I don't think it was a coincidence.





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[Proximo]

All I can do is shake my head when I read this stuff about people wanting to boycott the team that they're supposedly a fan of. Seriously, if you disagree with the way the team is run so strongly, to the point that you can't even enjoy getting some sweet gear as a gift, it's time to look for a new hobby.

I receive Cowboys stuff every year for Christmas. Not only do I enjoy it, I look forward to it. Know why? Cuz I actually enjoy being a Cowboys fan! What a novel concept!

Honestly, if you've let your disdain for Jerry grow to the point that it takes away from the fun and enjoyment of being a Cowboys fan, you should really at least consider being a fan of a different team. One who's philosophy you do agree with and can actually get behind. You'll probably be happier. Seriously. And that wouldn't be bandwagonning either. At least I wouldn't consider it to be.

 

[Dodger12]

It's an indicator of future financial success which was the context of my post.

I would imagine that it's something that the Cowboys and other organizations are aware of. And the SEO and trending data is as well. And you bet your bottom dollar that the Cowboys closely follow their SEO and trending data. You can't be a good marketer without it.

Dallas fell all the way to 4th and it was a downward trend that indicated that his sales are likely to go down. Jones also hired Parcells at that time. I don't think it was a coincidence.

What it indicates is that if you win, you'll move up in popularity. Nothing more. Notice who you don't see in the top 10? Washington who is the #3 team in terms of value in 2013 and I think it was #2 the year before. The Giants are not in the top 5 in the Harris poll but they are in terms of value.The Texans are the 5th most valuable franchise and they've fluctuated anywhere from #31 to 17 in Harris, only cracking the top 20 twice from 1998 to 2010. The Jets are the 6th most valuable franchise and they rank in the middle of the pack in the Harris polls. The Oakland Raiders were #3 in 2002 and 2003 because they made it to the SB. In 2004, they dropped to #12 after a 4 and 12 finish in 2003.

Bottom line is if you win, you'll move up in the Harris poll but teams like the Seahawks, KC, and other small market teams will always struggle for a larger share of the financial pie against the bigger market teams, especially those like the Cowboys who have the most established brand.

 

[Dodger12]

"I would imagine that it's something that the Cowboys and other organizations are aware of. And the SEO and trending data is as well. And you bet your bottom dollar that the Cowboys closely follow their SEO and trending data. You can't be a good marketer without it.

Dallas fell all the way to 4th and it was a downward trend that indicated that his sales are likely to go down. Jones also hired Parcells at that time. I don't think it was a coincidence.

Just to add, I would agree that the Cowboys would look at some of this data. The problem is that when they are .500 in the win loss column and can barely sniff the playoffs, they're still #1. The Cowboys are the ONLY team that can get away with this because the brand is so well established even before Jerry bought the team. But this is also where the conflict between Owner and GM comes into play. The Cowboys are mediocre and they still rank at the top, just as they did under Campo. No one will question Jerry's marketing prowess, it just conflicts with his responsibilities as GM because the formula to move up in the Harris poll (ie: win and you move up) doesn't apply to the Cowboys.

 

[Dodger12]

Honestly, if you've let your disdain for Jerry grow to the point that it takes away from the fun and enjoyment of being a Cowboys fan, you should really at least consider being a fan of a different team.

Again, very lame. People were fans before Jerry and they'll be fans long after Jerry meets his maker if a fan outlives him. And I don't know about you, but the fun and enjoyment of being a fan correlates to winning and losing. I enjoy Mondays after a win. Don't you? Or do you feel the same way on Monday after a loss? If that's the case, then maybe I should question what kind of fan you are if you don't care about your team winning or losing or don't have an emotional stake in the outcome of a game.

 

[Proximo]

Again, very lame. People were fans before Jerry and they'll be fans long after Jerry meets his maker if a fan outlives him. And I don't know about you, but the fun and enjoyment of being a fan correlates to winning and losing. I enjoy Mondays after a win. Don't you? Or do you feel the same way on Monday after a loss? If that's the case, then maybe I should question what kind of fan you are if you don't care about your team winning or losing or don't have an emotional stake in the outcome of a game.

It doesn't matter when a person became a fan. The point is, if you hate Jerry and the product he puts out, why continue to be a fan? It literally makes no sense.

If you were a fan of a TV show, a specific series that you followed for years, and then all at once it changed networks, writers, directors, even some actors. And all those changes resulted in the show turning into something you didn't like or enjoy, would you continue to watch? Would you tune in every week and then spend your time complaining about how much it sucks now? Or would you change the station and put on something you enjoy?

I realize that I can't control the games on Sunday, and I can't control the way the powers that be decide to run this team. However, I like football season, I like cheering for the Cowboys every Sunday, and I enjoy being a fan of this team. The day I stop enjoying all of those things is the day I'll "change the station", so to speak.

We choose to be fans. We choose to affiliate ourselves with the Cowboys. If you stop enjoying it, you can always choose to do something else. I promise no one will hold it against you.

 

[theSHOW]

I read this thread, find it amusing and interesting to hear the viewpoints. Nothing I haven't heard before. Have more Cowboys sleepwear and accessories in the home than I did before the Christmas Season. Glad I can say I helped build Jerry World, sure would like a win tomorrow.

 

[Dodger12]

It doesn't matter when a person became a fan. The point is, if you hate Jerry and the product he puts out, why continue to be a fan? It literally makes no sense.

Sure it matters when you became a fan. It molds you and your expectations of the team and every fan has seen ups and downs if they've been following their team for any extended period of time. And as for the product, a "fan" is short for fanatic. Because I wasn't a fan of Hogenboom or Pelleur doesn't mean I have to leave the team or stop rooting for it.

And it makes every sense if you understand sports because the question of "why don't you stop rooting for the team" or "go root for another team" is beyond the absurd. If you're any kind of fan of the team, as opposed to Jerry or Garrett, you would understand that. If Jerry was to meet his maker tomorrow, I'd still root for the team. If Romo, Ware, Witten or anyone else was to be traded, I'd still root for the team. If Landry or Johnson left the Cowboys, I'd still root for the team. Not sure why that is such a foreign concept to some except they have no other excuses to offer or any other defense to give to other fans. It's not even a unique option, it's just absurdly pathetic.

If you were a fan of a TV show, a specific series that you followed for years, and then all at once it changed networks, writers, directors, even some actors. And all those changes resulted in the show turning into something you didn't like or enjoy, would you continue to watch? Would you tune in every week and then spend your time complaining about how much it sucks now? Or would you change the station and put on something you enjoy?

If I have to explain to you about being a sports fan as opposed to a fan of a TV program, then I don;t know what else to tell you. It's a waste of my time because the person I'm speaking with is not any kind of sportsman because, it he was, this wouldn't even be a question to debate.

I realize that I can't control the games on Sunday, and I can't control the way the powers that be decide to run this team.

Then by your logic, why would you watch something you can't control? Why even bother being a fan to begin with?

The day I stop enjoying all of those things is the day I'll "change the station", so to speak.

We choose to be fans. We choose to affiliate ourselves with the Cowboys. If you stop enjoying it, you can always choose to do something else. I promise no one will hold it against you.

AS I stated earlier, for most fans of the "TEAM", the fun and enjoyment of being a fan correlates to winning and losing. This wouldn't so much apply if someone was a fan of Jerry Jones or Jason Garrett. I'll ask you again, Don't you enjoy Mondays better after a win? Or do you feel the same way on Monday after a loss? Because that's basically what you're telling me. You enjoy the product, but not necessarily the results. That's not really being a fan if you don't care about your team winning or losing or don't have an emotional stake in the outcome of a game.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I'm saying.........okay, yes. That's exactly what im saying ...




Fair question. And yes. I thought he was he greatest thing since sliced bread. But, history, 17 to 18 years of it, has taught us.....it was more jimmy Johnson, then jerry thst made that success.

And. People are continually changing, growing...etc etc,in different ways, I think jerry has lost sight or any interest on what is right for this team. I think he let his ego drive him.....,and, that would be okay, but you have to produce....and he has not done that. Not even close.

To further exasperate the situation, he has dug in, and is being incredibly stubborn at the expense of many cowboys fans, and some great football players that play here in Dallas....

Point taken but who hired Jimmy lol?

 

[Proximo]

Sure it matters when you became a fan. It molds you and your expectations of the team and every fan has seen ups and downs if they've been following their team for any extended period of time. And as for the product, a "fan" is short for fanatic. Because I wasn't a fan of Hogenboom or Pelleur doesn't mean I have to leave the team or stop rooting for it.

And it makes every sense if you understand sports because the question of "why don't you stop rooting for the team" or "go root for another team" is beyond the absurd. If you're any kind of fan of the team, as opposed to Jerry or Garrett, you would understand that. If Jerry was to meet his maker tomorrow, I'd still root for the team. If Romo, Ware, Witten or anyone else was to be traded, I'd still root for the team. If Landry or Johnson left the Cowboys, I'd still root for the team. Not sure why that is such a foreign concept to some except they have no other excuses to offer or any other defense to give to other fans. It's not even a unique option, it's just absurdly pathetic.



If I have to explain to you about being a sports fan as opposed to a fan of a TV program, then I don;t know what else to tell you. It's a waste of my time because the person I'm speaking with is not any kind of sportsman because, it he was, this wouldn't even be a question to debate.



Then by your logic, why would you watch something you can't control? Why even bother being a fan to begin with?



AS I stated earlier, for most fans of the "TEAM", the fun and enjoyment of being a fan correlates to winning and losing. This wouldn't so much apply if someone was a fan of Jerry Jones or Jason Garrett. I'll ask you again, Don't you enjoy Mondays better after a win? Or do you feel the same way on Monday after a loss? Because that's basically what you're telling me. You enjoy the product, but not necessarily the results. That's not really being a fan if you don't care about your team winning or losing or don't have an emotional stake in the outcome of a game.

LOL the only thing absurd here is people boycotting the team that they're supposedly a fan of. Which literally equates to being a walking contradiction.

There is no way a person can logically explain being a fan of this team when they hate the owner, hate the coach, hate the philosophy, and most of the players. At that point what about the Cowboys are you even a fan of? Who in their right mind would be a fan of something that makes them miserable?

Those are the fans I was referring to in my original post.

What Cowboys can complains about receiving some sweet Cowboys gear as a gift? It's nonsense. Like I said before, sometimes all I can do is shake my head, and laugh at the stuff that gets posted here.

 

[Dodger12]

There is no way a person can logically explain being a fan of this team when they hate the owner, hate the coach, hate the philosophy, and most of the players. At that point what about the Cowboys are you even a fan of? Who in their right mind would be a fan of something that makes them miserable?

I don't know about all that, especially the part of hating most of the players. That's just a bunch of hyperbole you use to try and prove your point.

Can I get your opinion on the question I asked?

AS I stated earlier, for most fans of the "TEAM", the fun and enjoyment of being a fan correlates to winning and losing. This wouldn't so much apply if someone was a fan of Jerry Jones or Jason Garrett. I'll ask you again, Don't you enjoy Mondays better after a win? Or do you feel the same way on Monday after a loss? Because that's basically what you're telling me. You enjoy the product, but not necessarily the results. That's not really being a fan if you don't care about your team winning or losing or don't have an emotional stake in the outcome of a game.

 

[SanAngelo]

There is no way a person can logically explain being a fan of this team when they hate the owner, hate the coach, hate the philosophy, and most of the players. At that point what about the Cowboys are you even a fan of? Who in their right mind would be a fan of something that makes them miserable?

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Don't forget that some people who currently hate the owner and coach might have been fans of the team before Jerry bought it. Past memories are hard things to let go.

 

[Proximo]

I don't know about all that, especially the part of hating most of the players. That's just a bunch of hyperbole you use to try and prove your point.

Can I get your opinion on the question I asked?

Of course I enjoy Mondays more after a win. I hate watching my team lose.

If i had to describe myself as a fan, I would say I'm the type of fan that HOPES for the best each week, and each season, but maintains reasonable expectations based on the state of the franchise at that time.

Like I said before, I realize I can't affect the way the powers that be run the team, I can just hope that the choices they make turn out to be the right ones and we end up with another championship.

And I wasn't using hyperbole earlier. There are posters on this board who literally have THOUSANDS of posts, and when you look at their track record nearly all of their posts are cynical, negative, or somehow critical of the team. Hell, it was so ridiculous here after our week 1 WIN that one of the mods had to start a "positive" thread. That's after a season opening win against a rival. That's what I was referring to.

 

[CowboyFan4Eva]

Point taken but who hired Jimmy lol?

Back when Jerry had just bought the Dallas cowboys, and his good buddy jimmy from Arkansas just won, like 2 national championships with Miami.......

Okay. I will give jerry credit for hiring his good buddy jimmy Johnson, And .........that's about it.

 

[dupree89]

Hell, it was so ridiculous here after our week 1 WIN that one of the mods had to start a "positive" thread. That's after a season opening win against a rival. That's what I was referring to.

When a team is +5 in turnovers, but only wins by 5 points...I think there is room for some negative posts.
And then we had the def. coord. that we were told would be such a great addition and in game # 1 his defense allows 450 yards passing, that is also something that brings out negativity.

Not everyone has the mindset..."well we won and that's all that matters". Some people actually look at a game and can see the weaknesses and how they will effect the season.

 

[Proximo]

When a team is +5 in turnovers, but only wins by 5 points...I think there is room for some negative posts.

1st off, we were winning that game by 12 points until the Giants scored what was basically a garbage time TD with like 15 seconds left. They needed a miracle to win that game.

Secondly, "room" for negative posts and a board overrun by negative posts are 2 different things. Especially after we just beat a rival.

 

[Nightman]

1st off, we were winning that game by 12 points until the Giants scored what was basically a garbage time TD with like 15 seconds left. They needed a miracle to win that game.

Secondly, "room" for negative posts and a board overrun by negative posts are 2 different things. Especially after we just beat a rival.

You win on points, basically a TKO, but they will never change. They are too far gone and too fond of their own voices. They would rather be right and lose than wrong and win.

 

[CowboyFan4Eva]

All I can do is shake my head when I read this stuff about people wanting to boycott the team that they're supposedly a fan of. Seriously, if you disagree with the way the team is run so strongly, to the point that you can't even enjoy getting some sweet gear as a gift, it's time to look for a new hobby.

I receive Cowboys stuff every year for Christmas. Not only do I enjoy it, I look forward to it. Know why? Cuz I actually enjoy being a Cowboys fan! What a novel concept!

Honestly, if you've let your disdain for Jerry grow to the point that it takes away from the fun and enjoyment of being a Cowboys fan, you should really at least consider being a fan of a different team. One who's philosophy you do agree with and can actually get behind. You'll probably be happier. Seriously. And that wouldn't be bandwagonning either. At least I wouldn't consider it to be.

Lately, I don't enjoy it,,,,,,i sort of, endure it, And, if you are any kind of fan, you would understand that. I can't change what teams i follow. Couldn't if i tried. I am too old..........

I dont have pom poms and I'm not a cheerleader. And for the most part, I'm a critical fan. Happy people arent suppose to be around football...this isn't a feel good "show" or daisy picking.....

Ohh wait. Your 30 or under arent you?

The happy, everything is okay, "Oprah secret" field is over there........... Or some lush skybox at the new superstar rock star victorie secret stadium.....neither of which I have no desire to be around....

 

[CowboyFan4Eva]

You win on points, basically a TKO, but they will never change. They are too far gone and too fond of their own voices. They would rather be right and lose than wrong and win.

Yeah. But it's. It one or two people. ......

What are you going to do? Condemn half or over half of cowboys fans to. "Not real fans" status???

No. This "negative" as you call it, Some people call it "honest evaluation"......is growing among DC nation.....

And it's finally getting got a point where people have had ENOUGH

 

[CowboyFan4Eva]

LOL the only thing absurd here is people boycotting the team that they're supposedly a fan of. Which literally equates to being a walking contradiction.

There is no way a person can logically explain being a fan of this team when they hate the owner, hate the coach, hate the philosophy, and most of the players. At that point what about the Cowboys are you even a fan of? Who in their right mind would be a fan of something that makes them miserable?

Those are the fans I was referring to in my original post.

What Cowboys can complains about receiving some sweet Cowboys gear as a gift? It's nonsense. Like I said before, sometimes all I can do is shake my head, and laugh at the stuff that gets posted here.

So, by that logic . You would have no problem, with bozo the freaking clown, owning and running operations? Wow, you really dont care if we win or not! Some kinda fan you are!?!?!?????