So Much For the Franchise QB Theory

[Gryphon]

Interesting point of view taken from another sport forum--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The two best QB's in the NFL are gone (Brady and Manning). The rest of the guys are decent but none are superstars. I would argue that Bledsoe is as good as any of the QB's left in the playoffs.

Just goes to prove the point that QB's who put their team on their back and win it all are a dying (dead) breed.

The NFL has changed (perhaps do to mediocrity at the QB position).

Defense wins!

Those who post here that continue to call for a new franchise QB and say that we will never win with Bledsoe or any other non-superstar QB are just plain wrong.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Well....

The Patriots and Colts are more than likely going to be competitive for a very long time, especially if their two Quarterbacks continue to play at a very high level, which both Manning and Brady did for most of the season. The point really is that both of them got their team in the playoffs and at least competing for a NFL Title, you cant do that while at home on the couch.

In the NFC, 2 out of the 3 Pro Bowl Quarterbacks, Delhomme and Matt Hasselbeck are still around and about to play for the NFC Title. Now just because you are a Pro Bowl Quarterback, doesn't make you a Franchise Quarterback, but Hasselbeck and Jake Delhomme are pretty dang on good.

I still stand by my belief that if you get the Quarterback position settled, it makes alot other decisions alot easier.

I still want to draft a Young Buck....

- Mike G.

 

[Ashwynn]

I think Ben would qualify as a franchise QB and a damn good QB.

I think Palmer would Qualify as a franchise QB and a damn good QB.

Just to name a few others -

 

[gbrittain]

Interesting point of view taken from another sport forum--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The two best QB's in the NFL are gone (Brady and Manning). The rest of the guys are decent but none are superstars. I would argue that Bledsoe is as good as any of the QB's left in the playoffs.

Just goes to prove the point that QB's who put their team on their back and win it all are a dying (dead) breed.

The NFL has changed (perhaps do to mediocrity at the QB position).

Defense wins!

Those who post here that continue to call for a new franchise QB and say that we will never win with Bledsoe or any other non-superstar QB are just plain wrong.

If Defense win championships why has B-More won only won championship and not championships?

Why did the 85 Bears only win one championship and not championships?

Why is Chicago out of the playoffs?

You want to contend year in and year out, you better get you a franchise QB. Of course, it takes more than just a QB, afterall football is a team game.

However, there is not a single player on the field more important than the QB.

 

[Kilyin]

I guess Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, Roethlisberger, and Jake Plummer are chopped liver. What a moronic post.

 

[ReturnToGlory]

The most difficult position in sports is the quarterback and the NFL is all about the quarterback. Look at how Vermeil traded for Trent Green as soon as we went to the Chiefs. See how Holmgren traded for Hasselback. Look how things would have changed if we got Delhomme when Parcells arrived here. It's all about the QB.

If you have a franchise quarterback, you are going to be in the playoff hunt year in and year out even if you have a bad defense.

 

[Juke99]

I think Ben would qualify as a franchise QB and a damn good QB.

I think Palmer would Qualify as a franchise QB and a damn good QB.

Just to name a few others -

I think Ben Rothleisberger is quickly moving himself into elite status...

In the past, the knock was that "well all he has to do is hand the ball off, etc" and while the fact that the Steelers have had a good running game undoubtedly made things easier for him, yesterday it was clear that Cowher put the game in his hands...and the kid responded with 150 passing yards in the first quarter...before Cowher sat on the lead.

 

[BAZ]

Brady wins three out of the last five and it proves franchise QB's don't matter??

I think it prove's you have to have a franchise QB good D or else you will do a "Bucs" & "Ravens" - win one then drop off the map. You defence will change year to year but a constant QB is very important. One thing I think is overlooked in this league is consistancy of players and coaches working together for a decent amount of time.

Players learning to trust each other and coaches building up a rapport with the players so they can get on the same page.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

So far Roethlisberger is the epitomy of a bus driver :laugh1:

 

[hmcorp]

bledsoe had better stats than delhomme. and played with a worse o line. and a worse defense.

 

[DipChit]

Interesting point of view taken from another sport forum.

Just goes to prove the point that QB's who put their team on their back and win it all are a dying (dead) breed.

The list of guys that have ever done that to begin with would be a short list indeed. Many carried teams a long way for sure.. but not to the point of winning it all.

Elway never did... got to SB's but couldnt win them.. not when Sammy Winder and Vance Johnson made up the other 2/3rds. Marino never did. Favre never won anything before our team came unglued coupled with the addition of Reggie White. Aikman never did unless he did it with the Williams brothers (Sherman and Kevin) as his big guns instead of Emmitt and Irvin and I wasnt paying attention. Bradshaw never did without a killer supporting cast.. and so on.

Even if the Colts woulda won it all it wouldnt have been because Manning "carried" them. Not with all the other quality skill players they have and a pretty smart D oriented HC.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

In the NFC, 2 out of the 3 Pro Bowl Quarterbacks, Delhomme and Matt Hasselbeck are still around and about to play for the NFC Title. Now just because you are a Pro Bowl Quarterback, doesn't make you a Franchise Quarterback, but Hasselbeck and Jake Delhomme are pretty dang on good.

I still stand by my belief that if you get the Quarterback position settled, it makes alot other decisions alot easier.

I still want to draft a Young Buck....

- Mike G.

look at those 2 QBs you mention

Matt Hasselbeck-3rd round pick, no starting experience before being asked to be the man for Seattle
Jake Delhomme-undrafted, Saints practice squad, NFLE backup, then split-starter

still want to positively rule out Romo or Henson being the future at QB?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The most difficult position in sports is the quarterback and the NFL is all about the quarterback. Look at how Vermeil traded for Trent Green as soon as we went to the Chiefs. See how Holmgren traded for Hasselback. Look how things would have changed if we got Delhomme when Parcells arrived here. It's all about the QB.

If you have a franchise quarterback, you are going to be in the playoff hunt year in and year out even if you have a bad defense.

none of those guys you mention were considered franchise QBs before those coaches made moves for them

 

[Waffle]

What I see left are four teams with QBs from different backgrounds. Hasselbeck's a 6th rounder, Delhomme is an UFA, Rothlisberger's a 1st rounder, and Plummer is a 2nd rounder who basically washed out at Arizona and resurrected his career at Denver.

So if you consider each one of these guys "franchise QBs", then being a top draft pick isn't necessarily a prerequisite after all , is it? :wink2:

 

[Waffle]

look at those 2 QBs you mention

Matt Hasselbeck-3rd round pick, no starting experience before being asked to be the man for Seattle
Jake Delhomme-undrafted, Saints practice squad, NFLE backup, then split-starter

still want to positively rule out Romo or Henson being the future at QB?

Exactly! All those who think Romo can only be a backup need to take notice of where these playoff QBs actually came from.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

You don't take an aberration and deduct a rule.


I agree with what Juke said. Big Ben is quickly moving up to elite level and he may claim his first Lombardi trophy this year, so don't speak too quick about "The franchise QB" theory being obsolete.


Also, in the Bronco/Pats game the other night it was clear that the Pats easily could have and should have won that game.

Brady is human and he made a bad throw on the pick by Bailey that was a key play in the game, but it was obvious the uncharacteristic fumbles on special teams is what decided the game. Nothing I saw the other night convinced me that the Pats and Brady's run is over. In fact, I would make them a pre-season favorite next year.

I don't like the Pats, but Brady plays on another level than most QBs who have ever played the game. I can easily see him winning another Super Bowl or two...

Elite, franchise QBs will consistently take their teams to the top.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

look at those 2 QBs you mention

Matt Hasselbeck-3rd round pick, no starting experience before being asked to be the man for Seattle
Jake Delhomme-undrafted, Saints practice squad, NFLE backup, then split-starter

still want to positively rule out Romo or Henson being the future at QB?

Carrying your agenda in every thread. You are really starting to remind me of somebody.....

Jake Delhomme is the exception and history shows that. Hasselbeck's road is very conventional, unlike Henson's.

- Mike G.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Carrying your agenda in every thread. You are really starting to remind me of somebody.....

Jake Delhomme is the exception and history shows that. Hasselbeck's road is very conventional, unlike Henson's.

- Mike G.

how is this carrying an agenda? you once told me that you see no way that Henson can have a future here, and didn't even comment on Romo's future, yet in this thread, I found out that you called Delhomme and Hasselbeck franchise QBs, which I found interesting, because before they became franchise QBs, noone had any idea of what they would turn into, same position Henson and ROmo find themselves in...

so again, are you still going to positively rule out Henson or Romo being the future at QB? when there are many examples, recent mind you, of QBs coming out of nowhere, with the proper development, and excelling as franchise QBs in time

and "exception rather than the rule"? that's lame, there are no exceptions, it's called good coaching and a player getting it

 

[Maikeru-sama]

how is this carrying an agenda? you once told me that you see no way that Henson can have a future here, and didn't even comment on Romo's future, yet in this thread, I found out that you called Delhomme and Hasselbeck franchise QBs, which I found interesting

Ya know, this is the type of response that happens when you bring agendas to every thread and ride a posters' gonads. Just to be nitpicky, I am going to re-post what I stated and please point out to me where I said the aforementioned Quarterbacks were Franchise Quarterbacks?

In the NFC, 2 out of the 3 Pro Bowl Quarterbacks, Delhomme and Matt Hasselbeck are still around and about to play for the NFC Title. Now just because you are a Pro Bowl Quarterback, doesn't make you a Franchise Quarterback, but Hasselbeck and Jake Delhomme are pretty dang on good.

Please stop following me around in every post, especially when it is agenda driven and has nothing to do with the topic. This is a discussion about Defenses winning championships and how extremely good Quarterbacks like Brady and Manning are out of the playoffs. I took 2nd Grade twice, but I cant figure out how one goes from what I just mentioned, to two guys that have sat the bench for 2 years.

Oh wait...it's an....

- Mike G.

 

[TEK2000]

All this just shows that 1 player can't carry a TEAM on their back. The Patriots have been plagued with injuries and Brady pretty much carried them thru the regular season. Against Denver.. Brady throws 2 picks but his teammates also fumble 3 times.. not too many teams can win when you turn the ball over 5 times.

Pittsburgh managed to get to Manning often.. sacked him 5 times. Manning still had an OK game but NO ONE can do it ALL ALONE.

In both game.. the team with the least rushing yards lost... that's the way the NFL is these days.
(Side note of something interesting.. people wanting Bill Cowher and complain about BP's conservativeness.. Pitt rushes FOURTY TWO times and averages 2.7 yards per run)