So Much For the Franchise QB Theory

[Bob Sacamano]

Please stop following me around in every post, especially when it is agenda driven and has nothing to do with the topic. This is a discussion about Defenses winning championships and how extremely good Quarterbacks like Brady and Manning are out of the playoffs. I took 2nd Grade twice, but I cant figure out how one goes from what I just mentioned, to two guys that have sat the bench for 2 years.

Oh wait...it's an....

- Mike G.

it's not an agenda, in fact, another poster got the same idea reading the posts in this thread as I did, does he have an agenda too? :laugh2:

I'm sorry if I bring up a valid point that throws a wrench in your evaluation of Henson and ROmo's future

 

[Bob Sacamano]

oh yeah Mick

answer the question

 

[big dog cowboy]

I think Ben Rothleisberger is quickly moving himself into elite status....

You trying to bring me down?

 

[Chuck 54]

ARe you kidding?

They don't have to be SuperStars to be franchise QB's. Hasstlebeck, Delhomme, even Plummer, and certainly Roethlisberger are all franchise QBs...Plummer is the only guy one can even argue about. These guys are all be playing QB into the next decade for their teams.

Guys like Brunnell and Bledsoe are veteran QBs keeping the position warm until a franchise QB is found, if ever in our case.

 

[hmcorp]

delhomme will be 40 in less than a decade. and he had about the same year bledsoe had. they just had a better defense over all. more veterans overall. we are what they call a up and coming young team. we will draft WR LB and another OL that probably wont play next year.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Also Delhomme isn't a bus driver.

They gave his stats tonight on the NFL network and he has the best playoff stats of any NFC QB in history. They were comparing his playoff stats to Bart Starr, Montana, etc.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

So far Roethlisberger is the epitomy of a bus driver :laugh1:

You get me a 2nd year QB, who in both his years in teh league has led us to the Conference Championships and has put up good numbers, and alot of wins in the regular season, and I'll take that bus driver.


Quincy and Vinny were short bus drivers, Roeth drives a luxury liner...

If we had the chance to have Roeth, id do it in a heartbeat.

 

[gbrittain]

Exactly! All those who think Romo can only be a backup need to take notice of where these playoff QBs actually came from.

Sure he could and so could:

Brooks Bollinger
Derek Anderson
Jonathan Beasley
Jimmy Blanchard
Nathan Chandler
Travis Cole
Rohan Davey
Marc Dunn
Eddie Eviston
Jose Fuentes
Josh Haldi
Andy Hall
Jack Hawley
Shaun Hill
Gavin Hoffman
Deontey Kenner
Kliff Kingsbury
Jeff Krohn
Brian Kucklick
Zak Kustok
Scott McMullen
Brian St. Pierre
Phil Stambaugh

Romo is an undrafted Div II school QB that has been in the league three years and yet he has never thrown a pass.

I know some of you want to believe that he could possibly be the QB of the future, but the likelihood of him being that are slim to none. The only thing that separtes Romo from the list above is that Romo plays for the Cowboys.

There is no evidence that suggests as of right now that Romo could ever be the franchise QB. Not to say that is impossible that it could happen. Sure it could, but the chances are slim to none.

I dont know why people have high hopes for Romo. Actually, I have high hopes for Romo. I have high hopes for anyone wearing the star. Hopes and reality are two different things though.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Sure he could and so could:

Brooks Bollinger
Derek Anderson
Jonathan Beasley
Jimmy Blanchard
Nathan Chandler
Travis Cole
Rohan Davey
Marc Dunn
Eddie Eviston
Jose Fuentes
Josh Haldi
Andy Hall
Jack Hawley
Shaun Hill
Gavin Hoffman
Deontey Kenner
Kliff Kingsbury
Jeff Krohn
Brian Kucklick
Zak Kustok
Scott McMullen
Brian St. Pierre
Phil Stambaugh

a few years ago Delhomme was on that list

I know some of you want to believe that he could possibly be the QB of the future, but the likelihood of him being that are slim to none. The only thing that separtes Romo from the list above is that Romo plays for the Cowboys.

There is no evidence that suggests as of right now that Romo could ever be the franchise QB. Not to say that is impossible that it could happen. Sure it could, but the chances are slim to none.

insert Delhomme a couple of years ago, his chances were the exact same as Romo's

I dont know why people have high hopes for Romo. Actually, I have high hopes for Romo. I have high hopes for anyone wearing the star. Hopes and reality are two different things though.

our hope is that our coaches will develop ROmo and Henson properly, so that one day, one of the 2 will be our franchise, and I wouldn't mention reality because for ROmo and Henson, reality hasn't happened yet, they haven't even had that chance

 

[Maikeru-sama]

oh yeah Mick

answer the question

AFC North
Ben Roethlisberger 1st Round
Carson Palmer 1st Round
Trent Dilfer
Kyle Boller 1st Round

AFC South
Peyton Manning 1st Round
Byron Leftwhich 1st Round
Steve McNair 1st Round
David Carr 1st Round

AFC East
Tom Brady 6th Round
Gus Frerotte 7th Round
Kelly Holcomb ? / JP Losman 1st Round
Brooks Bollinger 6th Round / Chad Pennington 1st Round

AFC West
Jake Plummer 2nd Round
Trent Green 8th Round
Drew Brees 2nd Round
Kerry Collins 1st Round


NFC South
Jake Delhomme (UDFA and NFLE)
Chris Simms 3rd Round
Michael Vick 1st Round
Aaron Brooks 4th Round


NFC Central
Rex Grossman 1st Round / Kyle Orton 4th Round
Daunte Culpepper 1st Round / Brad Johnson 9th Round
Joey Harrington 1st Round
Brett Favre 2nd Round

NFC East
Eli Manning 1st Round
Mark Brunell 5th Round
Drew Bledsoe 1st Round
Donovan Mcnabb 1st Round / Mike McMahon 5th Round

NFC West
Matt Hasselback 3rd Round
Marc Bulger 6th Round / Ryan Fitzpatrick 7th Round
Kurt Warner (UDFA and NFLE) / Josh McCown 3rd Round
Alex Smith 1st Round

This is just a list of the current starting NFL quarterbacks in the NFL and the individuals who replaced starters when they got injured. Now for the record, I never once said Drew Henson and Tony Romo couldnt be Franchise Quarterbacks. What I have SAID is I would prefer to go the more "CONVENTIONAL" route with regards to getting a young Quarterback for the future.

In this list you do have a couple of Free Agents like Warner and Delhomme and I am too lazy to research what Kelly Holcomb's road was. I dont think you have anybody on this list that played Baseball for a couple of years before trying their hand at being a starting in the NFL. Now I know lightning can strike sometimes, but I am ODDS man, I would just like to go the more conventional route like:

New England
New York Gints
Washington
Cincinatti
Pittsburgh
Chicago
Indy
Jacksonville
Tampa Bay
Denver
Seattle

11 of the 12 Playoffs team which had Quarterbacks who were drafted, either sat behind someone and learned or hit the ground running like Peyton Manning. My philosophy is watching what other successful teams have done and try to learn from my enemy. I dont think you can blame me and many other fans who thinks this way for being a little bit impatient when it comes to the quarterback position.

Not saying im right, not saying my view is wrong...it is a message board and that is just MY OPINION. As I have stated TWICE, Delhomme was lightning in the bottle when you compare his road to his colleagues at the same position, I think that is pretty obvious.

But by all means continue your stalking, using predatory tactics and continual public display of man-love for Henson and Romo.

- Mike G.

 

[TEK2000]

our hope is that our coaches will develop ROmo and Henson properly, so that one day, one of the 2 will be our franchise, and I wouldn't mention reality because for ROmo and Henson, reality hasn't happened yet, they haven't even had that chance

Maybe they just aren't worthy of getting a chance. (Flip side to your argument)

 

[gbrittain]

a few years ago Delhomme was on that list



insert Delhomme a couple of years ago, his chances were the exact same as Romo's



our hope is that our coaches will develop ROmo and Henson properly, so that one day, one of the 2 will be our franchise, and I wouldn't mention reality because for ROmo and Henson, reality hasn't happened yet, they haven't even had that chance

I get that. I understand that. However, Delhommes of the world are very rare. If you dont see that the odds are stacked against Romo then you dont get what I am saying.

Sure, anything could happen. If you could magically insert the Texans into the Superbowl against Seahawks or Panthers the Texans could win. It is more than possible. However, the odds would be against them.

Romo has shown nothing, zilch, and nada that he can be a franchise QB. Shoot many people right off potential franchise QBs who have actually been in the league and playing for three to four years.

Don't feed me the BP said this or that about Romo. Many coaches think highly of the potential of certain QBs until they hit the field and reality sets in.

Romo has shown nothing and the odds are against him.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I never once said Drew Henson and Tony Romo couldnt be Franchise Quarterbacks. What I have SAID is I would prefer to go the more "CONVENTIONAL" route with regards to getting a young Quarterback for the future.

no, you said because of the route Henson took, you dont' see him being the future

I dont think you have anybody on this list that played Baseball for a couple of years before trying their hand at being a starting in the NFL.

what does Henson's layoff have anything to do with this? he's been in the NFL for 2 years now, he's learning how to play QB, his past has no influence on anything

My philosophy is watching what other successful teams have done and try to learn from my enemy.

alot of teams have gone the same route, and their decisions for the franchise at QB haven't panned out, that's why I continually tell you that it's the development of said QB, and the QB's ability to grasp the nuances of the position in the NFL, how they got to the NFL means jack once they're in it

I dont think you can blame me and many other fans who thinks this way for being a little bit impatient when it comes to the quarterback position.

well, in the case of ROmo and Henson, you're going to have to be patient, the coaching staff is doing it, and there's a reason for it, they aren't ready[/quote]

Not saying im right, not saying my view is wrong...it is a message board and that is just MY OPINION. As I have stated TWICE, Delhomme was lightning in the bottle when you compare his road to his colleagues at the same position, I think that is pretty obvious.

But by all means continue your stalking, using predatory tactics and continual public display of man-love for Henson and Romo.

- Mike G.

I just want you to tell me that there's this outside chance that Romo or Henson have a future as franchise QBs, instead of telling me, in your opinion, that they don't, because there are examples of QBs who have came out of nowhere, which Henson and ROmo are striving for

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Maybe they just aren't worthy of getting a chance. (Flip side to your argument)

if they weren't, why is BP even bothering with them?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Romo has shown nothing and the odds are against him.

so we should just write him off then? that's the ONLY thing I'm arguing against, writing him or Henson off before they even get a chance to do anything

 

[TEK2000]

if they weren't, why is BP even bothering with them?

What other choices do we have for backups? According to nflpa.org, Henson has his contract thru 2011. And we owe Romo 900,000 in 2006 apparently.

 

[gbrittain]

so we should just write him off then? that's the ONLY thing I'm arguing against, writing him or Henson off before they even get a chance to do anything

Nope never said that. I say pick Romo or Henson and cut the other one loose. Now go and get a QB who has greater odds of excelling. Like you know...drafting one. Time to leverage our success.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

What other choices do we have for backups? According to nflpa.org, Henson has his contract thru 2011. And we owe Romo 900,000 in 2006 apparently.

and why is that? cuz someone sees something in them

I can't take that flip-side serious then

 

[gbrittain]

so we should just write him off then? that's the ONLY thing I'm arguing against, writing him or Henson off before they even get a chance to do anything

If someone told you that you could pick your potential franchise QB in the first round or you could choose your franchise QB from the undrafted FA which would you pick?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If someone told you that you could pick your potential franchise QB in the first round or you could choose your franchise QB from the undrafted FA which would you pick?

1st round

but someone with extensive knowledge of the NFL is taking the time to keep these 2 gunners around, there must be a reason, hell, we passed on Aaron Rodgers not once, but twice