Some new evidence in the Zimmerman case

[Rogah]

Funny you should mention it considering a few seconds after your transcript ends Zimmermans asks for the police to call him so he can "tell them where he is at".

I don't think I did any selective editing whatsoever but if you insist, here is the remainder of the transcript:

911 dispatcher:
Alright, what address are you parked in front of? [3:21]
Zimmerman:
Um, I don’t know. It’s a cut-through so I don’t know the address. [3:25]
911 dispatcher:
OK, do you live in the area?
Zimmerman:
Yeah, yeah, I live here.
911 dispatcher:
OK, what’s your apartment number?
Zimmerman:
It’s a home. It’s 1950 – oh, crap, I don’t want to give it out – I don’t know where this kid is [inaudible] [3:40]
911 dispatcher:
OK, do you just want to meet with them at the mailboxes then? [3:42]
Zimmerman:
Yeah, that’s fine. [3:43]
911 dispatcher:
Alright, George, I’ll let them know you’ll meet them at …
Zimmerman:
Could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at? [3:49]
911 dispatcher:
OK, that’s no problem.
Zimmerman:
My number … you’ve got it?
911 dispatcher:
Yeah, I’ve got it. XXX-XXXX?
Zimmerman:
Yeah, you got it.
911 dispatcher:
OK, no problem. I’ll let them know to call you when they’re in the area. [4:02]
Zimmerman:
Thanks.
911 dispatcher:
You’re welcome.

I do not see anything in the above that even remotely implies Zimmerman was going to follow or chase Martin. He clearly stated he lost sight of Martin and wanted to meet the officers at his truck and he wanted to speak to them directly to let them know where he and his truck was, which would make more sense than a 3rd party not on the scene trying to direct the officers to Zimmerman's location.

I don't see how anyone can read the above and interpret that to mean that Zimmerman was planning to follow Martin (whom he had lost sight of) after being told not to.

 

[Rogah]

I listened to the quotes. i'm sorry I didn't copy and paste them for you.

You don't have to apologize, just please don't accuse me of not looking at the evidence when I am presenting actual quotes from actual transcripts, and you're presenting nothing more than an inaccurate version recited from memory.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

The messy part comes up when you look at the fact that it took 14 or so seconds after leaving his car before the dispatcher told him to stop and yet close to 4 minutes elapsed before the phone call with screams in the background is made.



Funny you should mention it considering a few seconds after your transcript ends Zimmermans asks for the police to call him so he can "tell them where he is at".

I know. I know. But they've been waiting on "the real evidence to come in" (any day now).

Meanwhile, the screws that hold the car to the motorcycle have come loose. Mostly because they've never wanted to look at what evidence exists in the first place (at this point).

Ironic, though, isn't it?

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I don't think I did any selective editing whatsoever but if you insist, here is the remainder of the transcript:

911 dispatcher:
Alright, what address are you parked in front of? [3:21]
Zimmerman:
Um, I don’t know. It’s a cut-through so I don’t know the address. [3:25]
911 dispatcher:
OK, do you live in the area?
Zimmerman:
Yeah, yeah, I live here.
911 dispatcher:
OK, what’s your apartment number?
Zimmerman:
It’s a home. It’s 1950 – oh, crap, I don’t want to give it out – I don’t know where this kid is [inaudible] [3:40]
911 dispatcher:
OK, do you just want to meet with them at the mailboxes then? [3:42]
Zimmerman:
Yeah, that’s fine. [3:43]
911 dispatcher:
Alright, George, I’ll let them know you’ll meet them at …
Zimmerman:
Could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at? [3:49]
911 dispatcher:
OK, that’s no problem.
Zimmerman:
My number … you’ve got it?
911 dispatcher:
Yeah, I’ve got it. XXX-XXXX?
Zimmerman:
Yeah, you got it.
911 dispatcher:
OK, no problem. I’ll let them know to call you when they’re in the area. [4:02]
Zimmerman:
Thanks.
911 dispatcher:
You’re welcome.

I do not see anything in the above that even remotely implies Zimmerman was going to follow or chase Martin. He clearly stated he lost sight of Martin and wanted to meet the officers at his truck and he wanted to speak to them directly to let them know where he and his truck was, which would make more sense than a 3rd party not on the scene trying to direct the officers to Zimmerman's location.

I don't see how anyone can read the above and interpret that to mean that Zimmerman was planning to follow Martin (whom he had lost sight of) after being told not to.

He wasn't going to Chase Martin. He already was chasing him... and even if he did stop, he admitted that he already did chase Martin.

That's not up for dispute and it kills your argument that he wasn't going to follow Martin, because he was already following him.

That puts the self-defense ball on Martin's side of the court, I believe.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

You don't have to apologize, just please don't accuse me of not looking at the evidence when I am presenting actual quotes from actual transcripts, and you're presenting nothing more than an inaccurate version recited from memory.

Funny because my accounts were more accurate and telling. I was typing one thing while you and ice continued to post transcripts things taken out of context and neither of you seemed to have listened to any of the audio at all and were relying on only partial transcripts/text....

Meanwhile, ice was thoughtfully accusing me of twisting the evidence when he hadn't bothered to listen to it at all himself.

 

[JBond]

I heard that Trayvon's body was not near the truck or road but we will have to wait for the official evidence to go come. I don't believe that someone who go from walking home to getting in the mood to kill, that's an extreme turn in emotion and Zimmerman's Dad said that Trayvon said that "You're going to die tonight" to Zimmerman.

So would would someone go from walking home to wanting to kill? Unless they have emotional problems I don't see that as a normal action.

I didn't say that you said it was Okay, but I can see people abusing Stand Your Ground and being more secure in starting fights because they have the gun to back them up and if someone wanted someone else dead they could provoke that person into a fight and kill them knowing that there would be no witnesses around to contradict their story of Self Defense.

So I hope that this Zimmerman case doesn't lead to people abusing the law

TM has already shown his temper issues when he beat a bus driver and bragged about it. But maybe the bus driver asked him if this was his stop, so he deserved it.

For some reason you find it more plausible that Zimmerman went hunting for a young man? Zimmerman was just keeping an eye out for somebody he could shoot? Really? 50 calls to 911 and no shootings until TM showed up.

As far as your point about those that carry guns. I know there are a bunch of stupid little punks out there that carry so they can feel like a big man. I agree with that. There are also bad seeds that go through the training and registrations and backgrounds checks to do it legally, no doubt. Speaking for myself. I walk quietly and carry a big stick. In fact I am more inclined to keep my mouth shut if I am carrying because I understand the great responsibility that goes along with it.

Why did TM not call the police or his father? He had time to chat with his honey. It does not add up. His girlfriend even urged to him to come home. Maybe she knew he was a hot head. Maybe she was there when he beat the bus driver. Who knows?

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I understand. He did ask him. But Zimmerman says these guys always get away. Yes, the dispatcher asked what he was wearing. The racial aspect was mostly with the police and them not arresting Zimmerman anyway.

I don't think that's a defense either way though.

The bottom line is he never should have chased him. That's where I think the party foul occurred.

LOL! You think he meant Black people? He was talking about people who were breaking into the homes in the neighborhood.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

There are so many people that are furious about the Trayvon Martin shooting. Yesterday on FB, I saw a discussion degenerate into threats and F-bombs. The anger was directed at anyone that said they thought that Zimmerman should have his day in court and wait for the facts to be presented. Many have no patience with the legal system and already feel that Zimmerman has been given a break by being bonded out of jail.

I feel like a storm is brewing and it will end in violence and riots.

I really dislike Al Sharpton. I can't stand the sound of his voice. It reminds me of the Tawana Brawley case back in the 80s. He demanded the immediate arrest of several NY police officers for rape charges. Come to find out, Tawana made the whole thing up.

Another issue I have with Al Sharpton is that he never talks about black on black crime or black on white crime. He only wants to get people riled up and start a race war. That's my opinion anyway.

It's already started. Matthew Owens. Google him.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

LOL! You think he meant Black people? He was talking about people who were breaking into the homes in the neighborhood.

I was thinking that he was talking about criminals in his neighborhood and that he had already identified Trayvon as such without any proper or professional investigation.

 

[Rogah]

He wasn't going to Chase Martin. He already was chasing him... and even if he did stop, he admitted that he already did chase Martin.

That's not up for dispute and it kills your argument that he wasn't going to follow Martin, because he was already following him.

That puts the self-defense ball on Martin's side of the court, I believe.

Well, there's a difference between "following" and "chasing" but it is clear that what Zimmerman claims happened - and the 911 transcript supports this - is that Zimmerman was following Martin until he was told "we don't need you to do that" at which point Martin continued running, Zimmerman lost sight of him, and Zimmerman was headed back to his truck. It was while Zimmerman was returning to his truck that Martin reappeared and the scuffle ensued.

Yes Zimmerman was following Martin initially, that is not in dispute. But based on the 911 transcript it sure seems that Zimmerman was obeying the 911 operator's request he stop following Marting and that Zimmerman was returning to his truck.

Given the above evidence, and there is no evidence whatsoever to support the notion that the above is not true, it makes Zimmerman's claim of self defense a 100% valid one.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Well, there's a difference between "following" and "chasing" but it is clear that what Zimmerman claims happened - and the 911 transcript supports this - is that Zimmerman was following Martin until he was told "we don't need you to do that" at which point Martin continued running, Zimmerman lost sight of him, and Zimmerman was headed back to his truck. It was while Zimmerman was returning to his truck that Martin reappeared and the scuffle ensued.

Yes Zimmerman was following Martin initially, that is not in dispute. But based on the 911 transcript it sure seems that Zimmerman was obeying the 911 operator's request he stop following Marting and that Zimmerman was returning to his truck.

Given the above evidence, and there is no evidence whatsoever to support the notion that the above is not true, it makes Zimmerman's claim of self defense a 100% valid one.

It's not sound until the validity is tested in court.

Soundness > validity

I win!

 

[JBond]

It's already started. Matthew Owens. Google him.

People keep deleting any black on white crime inspired by TM. Apparently it is against the rules. Blacks can beat and torture people, but if a Hispanic Jew defends himself he should hang and it is an approved topic.

Very confusing to say the least. I would pm someone, but they have not even given me the common courtesy of letting me know why some posts are disappearing. They are relevant because they are inspired by TM and the race baiters. If the media had not lied many more people would have an open mind on this topic. Lets put all the racist crimes committed in the memory of TM in the same thread. Keep it simple.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

People keep deleting any black on white crime inspired by TM. Apparently it is against the rules. Blacks can beat and torture people, but if a Hispanic Jew defends himself he should hang and it is an approved topic.

Very confusing to say the least. I would pm someone, but they have not even given me the common courtesy of letting me know why some posts are disappearing. They are relevant because they are inspired by TM and the race baiters. If the media had not lied many more people would have an open mind on this topic. Lets put all the racist crimes committed in the memory of TM in the same thread. Keep it simple.

It is despicable.

Here a link. I think if one case is worthy of this kind of attention then they all are. Here's the difference. The so called righteous leaders like Not so reverends Al "Twana Brawley" Sharpton and Jesse"I got a bunch of baby mama's" Jackson isn't leading their minions through the streets threatening riots and attacks demanding justice.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/2...t-probed-as-hate-crime-despite-witness-claim/

 

[Rogah]

It's not sound until the validity is tested in court.

Soundness > validity

I win!

The above post is a perfect example of how little you've actually brought to the discussion here in terms of facts, reason and logic. You've clearly made your judgement already, facts be damned, and you're going to stick by it come hell or high water.

 

[WoodysGirl]

People keep deleting any black on white crime inspired by TM. Apparently it is against the rules. Blacks can beat and torture people, but if a Hispanic Jew defends himself he should hang and it is an approved topic.

Very confusing to say the least. I would pm someone, but they have not even given me the common courtesy of letting me know why some posts are disappearing. They are relevant because they are inspired by TM and the race baiters. If the media had not lied many more people would have an open mind on this topic. Lets put all the racist crimes committed in the memory of TM in the same thread. Keep it simple.

It is despicable.

Here a link. I think if one case is worthy of this kind of attention then they all are. Here's the difference. The so called righteous leaders like Not so reverends Al "Twana Brawley" Sharpton and Jesse"I got a bunch of baby mama's" Jackson isn't leading their minions through the streets threatening riots and attacks demanding justice.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/2...t-probed-as-hate-crime-despite-witness-claim/

Please keep thread on topic... This is about Trayvon Martin-George Zimmerman case.

Crimes allegedly inspired by the Martin-Zimmerman case should be posted in a different thread NOT in this thread. We're trying to keep the thread open, and off-topic posts and articles will get deleted.

I will allow these two posts, because you guys won't get the message otherwise. I won't be responding to any posts and any other posts will continue to get deleted. PM me if you have questions.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

The above post is a perfect example of how little you've actually brought to the discussion here in terms of facts, reason and logic. You've clearly made your judgement already, facts be damned, and you're going to stick by it come hell or high water.

I think I get a good idea of what happened. I go with manslaughter if you want my early verdict. But I'm a realist when it comes to law. No way do I want to predict this one with any real knowledge of what might really happen. Manslaughter is just a guess..

By the way, you guys never listened to the witnesses' 911 call, did you?

I posted the link....

*Sigh*

:laugh2:

 

[Hoofbite]

Please keep thread on topic... This is about Trayvon Martin-George Zimmerman case.

Crimes allegedly inspired by the Martin-Zimmerman case should be posted in a different thread NOT in this thread. We're trying to keep the thread open, and off-topic posts and articles will get deleted.

I will allow these two posts, because you guys won't get the message otherwise. I won't be responding to any posts and any other posts will continue to get deleted. PM me if you have questions.

I really wish this was the standard practice instead of simply closing the thread.

Can't even recall how many threads a couple of individuals have gotten locked when the individuals themselves should have been addressed.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/vide.../911-call-Yelling-gunshot-heard-in-background

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Please keep thread on topic... This is about Trayvon Martin-George Zimmerman case.

Crimes allegedly inspired by the Martin-Zimmerman case should be posted in a different thread NOT in this thread. We're trying to keep the thread open, and off-topic posts and articles will get deleted.

I will allow these two posts, because you guys won't get the message otherwise. I won't be responding to any posts and any other posts will continue to get deleted. PM me if you have questions.

Fine, we'll start another thread at your suggestion.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

TM has already shown his temper issues when he beat a bus driver and bragged about it. But maybe the bus driver asked him if this was his stop, so he deserved it.

For some reason you find it more plausible that Zimmerman went hunting for a young man? Zimmerman was just keeping an eye out for somebody he could shoot? Really? 50 calls to 911 and no shootings until TM showed up.

As far as your point about those that carry guns. I know there are a bunch of stupid little punks out there that carry so they can feel like a big man. I agree with that. There are also bad seeds that go through the training and registrations and backgrounds checks to do it legally, no doubt. Speaking for myself. I walk quietly and carry a big stick. In fact I am more inclined to keep my mouth shut if I am carrying because I understand the great responsibility that goes along with it.

Why did TM not call the police or his father? He had time to chat with his honey. It does not add up. His girlfriend even urged to him to come home. Maybe she knew he was a hot head. Maybe she was there when he beat the bus driver. Who knows?

I admitted that Trayvon wasn't perfect but according to Zimmerman's history he was the perfect peaceful man either. In all of the cases Zimmerman claims that he was attacked first. So he's just a guy that everyone picks fights with?

Why didn't Trayvon call the police? Sometimes people don't think rationally or clearly in fear or high emotion which was what Trayvon was in that night.