Some new evidence in the Zimmerman case

[CowboyMcCoy]

as i understand it, he was asked to resign and that had to go before the council who rejected it.

It doesn't sound political.

 

[JBond]

Don't forget that Trayvon died in FEB a couple of months ago so the family's wounds are still very fresh as is their anger and grief. Trayvon's family feels like many would angry at the person who killed their loved one.

So you can question others about how they feel about this case or jumping to conculsions, but Trayvon's family had the right to feel how they do. I don't think that they are entitled to forgive Zimmerman or accept his apology and just accept that it was Self Defense like they shouldn't be angry over Trayvon dying the way that he did.

Or maybe they should be mad at their parenting skills that taught TM that it is Ok to attack people. It's not like this is the first time TM has used violence. They have a right to be mad at the person that defended himself from another TM attack, I guess. Maybe they should have taught TM not to go around jumping people. Not saying this is for sure what happened, but more and more evidence is pointing that way.

There are two side to every story. They may have a lot of regret regarding their parenting skill or lack of. Time will tell. Eventually we will get the entire story.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Or maybe they should be mad at their parenting skills that taught TM that it is Ok to attack people. It's not like this is the first time TM has used violence. They have a right to be mad at the person that defended himself from another TM attack, I guess. Maybe they should have taught TM not to go around jumping people. Not saying this is for sure what happened, but more and more evidence is pointing that way.

There are two side to every story. They may have a lot of regret regarding their parenting skill or lack of. Time will tell. Eventually we will get the entire story.

... it wouldn't be Zimmerman's first time to be accused of violence either. And I don't think Trayvon was the aggressor here. Why do you think that?

 

[zrinkill]

Good point of view we would all do well to listen too.

Letter: Have some faith in legal process

I don't pretend to know who was responsible for the Trayvon Martin tragedy, but I do know that those New York senators parading into session wearing hoodies looked ridiculous.

The senators certainly got some media publicity but once again served to make our Legislature look foolish.

And even President Barack Obama, who early in his term put his foot in his mouth over the incident involving the Cambridge, Mass., police and Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr., apparently learned nothing from his own "teachable moment."

He now says that if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon. How nice to have a President who can conjure up the looks of an unborn child. I say that as a Democrat who has supported Mr. Obama.

And, of course, Al Sharpton has again stirred the pot, garnering more publicity for his television show.

Do all these people feel so omniscient that they can say with certainty exactly what happened on a dark street many miles from where they happened to be?

We expect people to have some faith in our legal process. It's sad that pandering seems to trump cool-headedness for so many who should know better.

We expect people to have some faith in our legal process. It's sad that pandering seems to trump cool-headedness for so many who should know better.

http://www.timesunion.com/opinion/article/Letter-Have-some-faith-in-legal-process-3504302.php

 

[JBond]

I'm just curious why he would have chased him. I never said he drew his gun, but the fact he has a gun on hood watch is a bit sketchy. Then he goes and chases him when they tell him "we don't need you to do that".

I understand some don't want to convict Zimmerman of murder. I sort of don't think he had intent, and I don't think he premeditated it or anything. What I do think happened is that he got in over his head by thinking he was an officer of the law when he was not.

Personally, I'm glad the public is making an example of the Zimmerman case. Yes, it's sensational. But at least we're not as apathetic a lot as I once thought.

You keep acting like your opinion is a fact. A chase? Prove it. People patrolling a neighborhood is not unknown. In fact it is very common in several places I lived. Weather they choose to exercise their rights under the Constitution is really no ones business. Some group with few members or affiliations to local groups saying you are not supposed to carry does not mean it's true. The second amendment trumps anything some little group says.

Again. If TM had done the right thing instead of attacking Zimmerman, he would be alive today. You know darn well that is the way if could have gone down. Why do you keep acting as if there is only one side?

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

You keep acting like your opinion is a fact. A chase? Prove it. People patrolling a neighborhood is not unknown. In fact it is very common in several places I lived. Weather they choose to exercise their rights under the Constitution is really no ones business. Some group with few members or affiliations to local groups saying you are not supposed to carry does not mean it's true. The second amendment trumps anything some little group says.

Again. If TM had done the right thing instead of attacking Zimmerman, he would be alive today. You know darn well that is the way if could have gone down. Why do you keep acting as if there is only one side?

I'm not acting. I'm thinking. I'm thinking if Trayvon would have came after him he would have said something to the 911 dispatcher about that.

Have you listened to the tape?

"We've had some break ins in my neighborhood. This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black. Wearing a hoodie, jeans, pants. He's just looking at the houses. Now he's staring at me. He's got his hand in his wasteband. He's coming towards me. Something is wrong with him. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is. These guys always get away... "

That would be a good argument if he didn't admit to pursuing him after that.... in other words, he chased him and Zimmerman was told that wasn't necessary and that an officer is on the way.

Zimmerman then just wanted an officer to call him, which is fishy"

In other words, listen to the tape.

 

[JBond]

... it wouldn't be Zimmerman's first time to be accused of violence either. And I don't think Trayvon was the aggressor here. Why do you think that?

Becasue TM was gone...out of sight...ran away...

Zimmerman was returing to his truck as directed by 911.

Why did TM not call the cops? Why did he not go home after being out of sight of Zimmerman? It makes no sense. Zimmerman called the cops. Why did TM not call the cops.

As I mentioned a couple of days ago, those that have their CC and are expecting trouble are not going to get jumped unless they have let their guard down...Remember he thought TM was gone and was waiting for the cops to arrive. He made several comments to that effect. Logically I can only come to one conclusion based on experience. I may be completely wrong, but experience and logic dictate otherwise.

 

[JBond]

I'm not acting. I'm thinking. I'm thinking if Trayvon would have came after him he would have said something to the 911 dispatcher about that.

Have you listened to the tape?

"We've had some break ins in my neighborhood. This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black. Wearing a hoodie, jeans, pants. He's just looking at the houses. Now he's staring at me. He's got his hand in his wasteband. He's coming towards me. Something is wrong with him. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is. These guys always get away... "

That would be a good argument if he didn't admit to pursuing him after that.... in other words, he chased him and Zimmerman was told that wasn't necessary and that an officer is on the way.

Zimmerman then just wanted an officer to call him, which is fishy"

In other words, listen to the tape.

major error in your logic...He had hung up with 911 and was waiting for their call when they arrived at the club house. My take is he believed their was no immediate danger and was returning to his truck. There was no reason in his mind to continue a call on a lost cause. He had no idea where TM was. He thought he was long gone. No one with a CC is going to allow someone to throw them to the ground and smash their head into the concrete unless they were taken by surprise meaning TM initiated the attack.

Can you explain why TM did not call the cops or go home? If you felt someone was stalking you with the intent to kill you and you got away and had a cell phone, would you or would you not call the cops?

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Dispatcher: "Are you pursuing him"

Zimmerman: "Yes"

Almost 50 calls to 911 and he says he doesn't know he's not supposed to pursue as part of his defense?

Zimmerman was recorded profiling Trayvon. I mean, I never brought race into it because I'd like to think that isn't an issue. But let's be honest here. Zimmerman profiled Trayvon and was in fear of his life because Trayvon wanted some of his skittles that were in his waste band.

If you ask me, it sounds like Zimmerman is a bit paranoid at the moment. It may be that Zimmerman had already confronted Trayvon and Trayvon stood up for himself while Zimmerman pursued. But there's no question in my mind that Zimmerman tried to investigate Trayvon somehow on his own--and he knew he wasn't supposed to do that.

Matters just got worse when he didn't realize the false power he had from carrying a gun. Now he finds himself out on bond facing murder charges.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Dispatcher: "Are you pursuing him"

Zimmerman: "Yes"

Almost 50 calls to 911 and he says he doesn't know he's not supposed to pursue as part of his defense?

Zimmerman was recorded profiling Trayvon. I mean, I never brought race into it because I'd like to think that isn't an issue. But let's be honest here. Zimmerman profiled Trayvon and was in fear of his life because Trayvon wanted some of his skittles that were in his waste band.

If you ask me, it sounds like Zimmerman is a bit paranoid at the moment. It may be that Zimmerman had already confronted Trayvon and Trayvon stood up for himself while Zimmerman pursued. But there's no question in my mind that Zimmerman tried to investigate Trayvon somehow on his own--and he knew he wasn't supposed to do that.

Matters just got worse when he didn't realize the false power he had from carrying a gun. Now he finds himself out on bond facing murder charges.

Zimmerman didn't bring race into it. The 911 operator asked him first. Listen to the tape.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

major error in your logic...He had hung up with 911 and was waiting for their call when they arrived at the club house. My take is he believed their was no immediate danger and was returning to his truck. There was no reason in his mind to continue a call on a lost cause. He had no idea where TM was. He thought he was long gone. No one with a CC is going to allow someone to throw them to the ground and smash their head into the concrete unless they were taken by surprise meaning TM initiated the attack.

Can you explain why TM did not call the cops or go home? If you felt someone was stalking you with the intent to kill you and you got away and had a cell phone, would you or would you not call the cops?

Personally, I don't call the cops. I probably would have stood up to Zimmerman and gotten shot. I know. That makes me less of a man than you guys, because you live to tell the hypothetical tale of how you survived by exercising your 2nd amendment.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Zimmerman didn't bring race into it. The 911 operator asked him first. Listen to the tape.

I understand. He did ask him. But Zimmerman says these guys always get away. Yes, the dispatcher asked what he was wearing. The racial aspect was mostly with the police and them not arresting Zimmerman anyway.

I don't think that's a defense either way though.

The bottom line is he never should have chased him. That's where I think the party foul occurred.

 

[BlueStar3398]

There are so many people that are furious about the Trayvon Martin shooting. Yesterday on FB, I saw a discussion degenerate into threats and F-bombs. The anger was directed at anyone that said they thought that Zimmerman should have his day in court and wait for the facts to be presented. Many have no patience with the legal system and already feel that Zimmerman has been given a break by being bonded out of jail.

I feel like a storm is brewing and it will end in violence and riots.

I really dislike Al Sharpton. I can't stand the sound of his voice. It reminds me of the Tawana Brawley case back in the 80s. He demanded the immediate arrest of several NY police officers for rape charges. Come to find out, Tawana made the whole thing up.

Another issue I have with Al Sharpton is that he never talks about black on black crime or black on white crime. He only wants to get people riled up and start a race war. That's my opinion anyway.

 

[Rogah]

4)Most importantly, Zimmerman chased Martin

What we have is a citizen chasing another citizen with a gun when he could have called the police. Something about the vigilante aspect of this is what rubs me raw... mostly because this all could have been avoided. These sorts of reactionary thoughts often lead to disasters.

I've asked this question twice, and no one responded, so I may as well try a third time:

Where is the evidence that makes you absoultely certainly that the above is a true statement? The lead investigator himself, while on the stand and under oath, had to admit there is no proof that Zimmerman did that which you have alleged above.

What you are doing is taking a theory of what might have happened and presenting as 100% verified fact in an effort to influence opinions. But fact is we have no idea whether the above version of events is the truth.

 

[Bonecrusher#31]

I sense only a manslaughter conviction serving no more than 3 to 5 years.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I've asked this question twice, and no one responded, so I may as well try a third time:

Where is the evidence that makes you absoultely certainly that the above is a true statement? The lead investigator himself, while on the stand and under oath, had to admit there is no proof that Zimmerman did that which you have alleged above.

What you are doing is taking a theory of what might have happened and presenting as 100% verified fact in an effort to influence opinions. But fact is we have no idea whether the above version of events is the truth.

He was asked by the operator if he was pursuing Martin.

His response, "yes."

 

[Rogah]

Dispatcher: "Are you pursuing him"

Zimmerman: "Yes"

He was asked by the operator if he was pursuing Martin.

His response, "yes."

You're doing some dishonest selective editing and leaving out some pretty relevant parts. You'd probably be a great candidate to work for NBC.

Meanwhile, the actual transcript says the following:

911 dispatcher: Are you following him? [2:24]
Zimmerman: Yeah. [2:25]
911 dispatcher: OK. We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]
Zimmerman: OK. [2:28]
911 dispatcher: Alright, sir, what is your name? [2:34]
Zimmerman: George. He ran.
911 dispatcher: Alright, George, what’s your last name?
Zimmerman: Zimmerman.
911 dispatcher: What’s the phone number you’re calling from?
Zimmerman: XXX-XXX-XXXX
911 dispatcher: Alright, George, we do have them on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?
Zimmerman: Yeah.
911 dispatcher: Alright, where are you going to meet with them at?
Zimmerman: Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck. [3:10]

Based on the above transcript, it sure seems to me that once the 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman to stop following Martin, that he stopped, wouldn't you agree?

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I sense only a manslaughter conviction serving no more than 3 to 5 years.

I don't think he'll get that much time. Perhaps some probation or something... I know it sounds crazy, but that's what I think the end result is.

I don't think this case will go to trial.

 

[JBond]

You're doing some dishonest selective editing and leaving out some pretty relevant parts. You'd probably be a great candidate to work for NBC.

Meanwhile, the actual transcript says the following:

911 dispatcher: Are you following him? [2:24]
Zimmerman: Yeah. [2:25]
911 dispatcher: OK. We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]
Zimmerman: OK. [2:28]
911 dispatcher: Alright, sir, what is your name? [2:34]
Zimmerman: George. He ran.
911 dispatcher: Alright, George, what’s your last name?
Zimmerman: Zimmerman.
911 dispatcher: What’s the phone number you’re calling from?
Zimmerman: XXX-XXX-XXXX
911 dispatcher: Alright, George, we do have them on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?
Zimmerman: Yeah.
911 dispatcher: Alright, where are you going to meet with them at?
Zimmerman: Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck. [3:10]

Based on the above transcript, it sure seems to me that once the 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman to stop following Martin, that he stopped, wouldn't you agree?

facts are stubborn things...

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

You're doing some dishonest selective editing and leaving out some pretty relevant parts. You'd probably be a great candidate to work for NBC.

Meanwhile, the actual transcript says the following:

911 dispatcher: Are you following him? [2:24]
Zimmerman: Yeah. [2:25]
911 dispatcher: OK. We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]
Zimmerman: OK. [2:28]
911 dispatcher: Alright, sir, what is your name? [2:34]
Zimmerman: George. He ran.
911 dispatcher: Alright, George, what’s your last name?
Zimmerman: Zimmerman.
911 dispatcher: What’s the phone number you’re calling from?
Zimmerman: XXX-XXX-XXXX
911 dispatcher: Alright, George, we do have them on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?
Zimmerman: Yeah.
911 dispatcher: Alright, where are you going to meet with them at?
Zimmerman: Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck. [3:10]

Based on the above transcript, it sure seems to me that once the 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman to stop following Martin, that he stopped, wouldn't you agree?

I disagree. Zimmerman had other things on his mind, which is why I think his last words were something like "have the officers call me"... or something to that effect. My take was that Zimmerman was going to handle things on his own and that he didn't need to follow what 911 told him.

I did just find this though, sort of doesn't tell us anything I didn't already suspect.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/vide.../911-call-Yelling-gunshot-heard-in-background