Some new evidence in the Zimmerman case

[Cajuncowboy]

No offense but this is a paranoid mentality. I live in the middle of over 4 million people. This does not include Los Angeles or Orange County. I do not see people getting killed daily over a few hundred dollars or thousand of dollars. I do not feel the need to carry a gun and I do not feel that my life is in danger. Simply put if your looking for trouble trouble will find you. Just like it did to Zimmerman.

Well it does happen and it happens often.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Wo...n-and-Robbed-of-Air-Jordans-136256793.html?dr

Again, I have a right to protect myself and my family and I have a right to do it with my guns and I will exercise that right if I have to. I don't want to, but I will and as I have said before, I won't lose one wink of sleep over it.

 

[TheCount]

Well it does happen and it happens often.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Wo...n-and-Robbed-of-Air-Jordans-136256793.html?dr

Again, I have a right to protect myself and my family and I have a right to do it with my guns and I will exercise that right if I have to. I don't want to, but I will and as I have said before, I won't lose one wink of sleep over it.

That's great and all but this case has nothing to do with you or your family.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

That's great and all but this case has nothing to do with you or your family.

Cajun's response was addressing a separate issue.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

There wasnt enough to charge him with murder 2 to begin with. The prosecution caved to public pressure and went for it all when they should have just gone with manslaughter.

Can't you can be charged with Murder and still be convicted of manslaughter?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Well, the public who was outraged to start with has only themselves to blame. They acted like they did and they got what they wanted. There was obviously a reason why they didn't rush to judgement and charge Zimmerman right away. They didn't have all the facts. Then the usual clowns get involved and in order to quell the rabble, they do something they shouldn't have done.

So if there is outrage in the future, we know where to point the finger.

Do you believe that the matter was still under investigation when the media picked up on this case? Due to it's nature, no new details were gonna become available to police, so imo the decision to not charge him that night was a decision to not charge him.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

That's great and all but this case has nothing to do with you or your family.

No crap. We were talking about this case with respect to guns in general.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Do you believe that the matter was still under investigation when the media picked up on this case? Due to it's nature, no new details were gonna become available to police, so imo the decision to not charge him that night was a decision to not charge him.

I've seen nothing to indicate it wasn't. Do you have evidence that the case was closed? If so please share it.

 

[TheCount]

Cajun's response was addressing a separate issue.

It's not the first time he's brought up what he does or would do.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

It's not the first time he's brought up what he does or would do.

And? It has always been in context of the conversation. WTH is your overall problem? Maybe comprehension?

 

[ScipioCowboy]

It's not the first time he's brought up what he does or would do.

So? These threads tend to dart around.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I just don't see what the police could learn later to change their mind. I believe police can detain someone for 24 hours without charging them, and they only held him a few, if that. To me it seems like they had no intention of charging him.

 

[casmith07]

I just don't see what the police could learn later to change their mind. I believe police can detain someone for 24 hours without charging them, and they only held him a few, if that. To me it seems like they had no intention of charging him.

You're operating on the assumption that the police even did their job at all in the first place.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I just don't see what the police could learn later to change their mind. I believe police can detain someone for 24 hours without charging them, and they only held him a few, if that. To me it seems like they had no intention of charging him.

LOL!

Because all the evidence you need always is clear in the first 24 hours. You think crimes are solved like on TV?

:laugh2:

 

[Cajuncowboy]

You're operating on the assumption that the police even did their job at all in the first place.

Yep. The entire Sanford police department saw a dead black teenager and said "Screw it. Let the Hispanic guy go."

I swear the level of stupidity continues to amaze me.

 

[Rogah]

I don't know that it changes anything. Still no witnesses to say that Trayvon did that to him.

While I think it's absurd to suggest he got that injury any other way, the apparent lack of direct eyewitnesses is probably going to be too much for the prosecution to overcome - especially with a murder charge (what were they thinking??). Zimmerman may very well be lying, but there really isn't any evidence to prove that beyond any reasonable doubt. No one really knows what happened and when you don't know what happened, you kinda gotta go with "not guilty."

I reserve the right to change my opinion if some new information comes out but that's how I see it right now.

 

[Rogah]

He can still be convicted on lesser charges if the jury finds him not guilty of murder, the difference is that the prosecution now wastes all that time and money on an unwinnable charge.

I'm pretty sure that would violate double jeopardy. You can't go all the way to trial, have a "not guilty" verdict, and then decide to try again on a lesser charge. You can't even appeal "not guilty" (whereas "guilty" can be appealed). It would be like if Martha Clark lost the OJ case and then said "OK let's try again but this time with manslaughter." OJ can come out and admit he did it (which he kinda did now that I think about it) and they can't bring him to criminal court again.

He could, theoretically, be taken to a civil court of law (like OJ was). And the feds could file certain hate crime charges, though I doubt they would do that if he was found not guilty.

 

[Rogah]

The Prosecutors will have the testimony of the young lady that was on the phone during the moments before the shooting took place.

Her testimony will be considered hearsay. Now don't get me wrong; contrary to popular belief, hearsay can be admissible but generally speaking courts tend to "err on the side of the accused." In other words, hearsay that helps exonerate someone is more likely to be admitted than hearsay that incriminates someone. Plus hearsay is very weak in the face of actual eyewitness testimony.

If the prosecution is betting their case on that phone call, then any judge worth his salt would throw the case out before jury selection.

 

[Rogah]

If you are going to bring up Martin's past, then Zimmerman's past will be brought up as well and neither were choir boys.

I'm pretty sure Zimmerman's past will be inadmissible during the trial phase. Only the events of that particular evening can be used against him.

 

[Hoofbite]

Not sure this is "new". I would say "confirmed" evidence more than anything.

At most it just gives Zimmerman a bit more credibility but doesn't change much IMO because it doesn't say anything as to how the confrontation started.

I've said all along that instigating a confrontation and getting whipped ins't a justifiable excuse to kill someone.

Whether or not Zimmerman or Trayvon started the fight and who was screaming are far more important issues and will likely be bigger factors in the outcome.

Since neither of those can be definitively 100% proven, I think Zimmerman's biggest concern should be why he followed the kid for MINUTES after being told not to. He wasn't that far from his car to claim he was walking back, that's for damn sure.

 

[Hoofbite]

Yep. The entire Sanford police department saw a dead black teenager and said "Screw it. Let the Hispanic guy go."

I swear the level of stupidity continues to amaze me.

Come on. That's just a gross mischaracterization and you know it.

From what has been reported, there was no toxicology tests, no seizing of the care, multiple witnesses were ignored for a good amount of time and the head honcho of the department stepped down.

If there's one thing that can be certain, it's that the police didn't do enough initially to avoid criticism.