Some new evidence in the Zimmerman case

[CowboyMcCoy]

I get that, but it just didn't seem like a good idea watching it live. He had been wanting to speak to the family for some time now but had been denied, so his defense lawyer allowed him to take the stand this morning to do so while they were there. But Zimmerman went a little "off script" and the prosecution took advantage of this by trying to cross examine him on his apology.

That's because they're making a transcript of everything he is saying now. And anything he says on stand now is testimony, which can very much be used in a subsequent trial including Zimmerman if it's regarding, or sometimes if it's pertinent to, the same case.

 

[justbob]

Yeah, I like you, Cajun. But I was always taught if you can't fight with fists, there is no use in fighting. I grew up being taught that it wasn't ok to throw the first punch, but it was to throw the last one.

I grew up with guns all around me. My friends were a lot of the agricultural type. I wore camouflage to school and most houses I lived in and visited had deer and stuff on the wall. So of course I shot guns and I know the power of guns.

Having said that, I see a certain amount of cowardice if someone pulls a gun unless it's an extreme circumstance, like someone breaking in your home, hurting your family, pulling a gun/knife on you.... I was just never taught to fight with anything other than my bare fists even though I grew up with guns.

Many of us were taught to settle things with our fist...Those days are long gone. The level of violence is no where near what it was...Fight with you fist if you want to --but a man whose head is being slammed against a piece of concrete is one blow or the right angle of being dead..

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Many of us were taught to settle things with our fist...Those days are long gone. The level of violence is no where near what it was...Fight with you fist if you want to --but a man whose head is being slammed against a piece of concrete is one blow or the right angle of being dead..

Yeah, I know, poor Zimmerman, he looked half-dead in that photo.

 

[Dallas]

I carry a gin all the time. If someone attacks me I will shoot them dead. So I am a murderer? Should I take a beating "Like a man"?

I am just LAUGHING at his comment. :laugh2: Unreal. I can kill you just as easily with my hands as I can with a gun. It does happen, so I don't get his debate at all.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I am just LAUGHING at his comment. :laugh2: Unreal. I can kill you just as easily with my hands as I can with a gun. It does happen, so I don't get his debate at all.

Of all the MMA bouts and all the crazy athletes fighting in that, you wonder why no one has ever been killed in a pro UFC fight?

That's because the human body can endure a heck of a lot in a fight. Bullets? Not so much...

Unless you're outmatched.. which if your arguments on this board are any indication of how you could defend yourself in person, then I can see why you'd want the unfair advantage in a fight.

:laugh2: (joking)

I was just taught that's the coward's way out... doesn't make me right or wrong. Obviously, it's an opinion. But one I still stand by.

 

[1fisher]

it's crossed my mind a lot. they found jewlery in his backback and a big screwdriver that could be used for leverage.

he said "that's not mine" so who's was it?

but questioning trayvons background isn't popular so it quickly gets dismissed and we call zimmerman fat.

Amen, bro!

 

[03EBZ06]

If you are going to bring up Martin's past, then Zimmerman's past will be brought up as well and neither were choir boys.

I'm just wondering what did Martin do to be suspicious in the first place? Just because Zimmerman thought so? That isn't good enough for me

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Of all the MMA bouts and all the crazy athletes fighting in that, you wonder why no one has ever been killed in a pro UFC fight?

That's because the human body can endure a heck of a lot in a fight. Bullets? Not so much...

Unless you're outmatched.. which if your arguments on this board are any indication of how you could defend yourself in person, then I can see why you'd want the unfair advantage in a fight.

:laugh2: (joking)

I was just taught that's the coward's way out... doesn't make me right or wrong. Obviously, it's an opinion. But one I still stand by.

Here's the thing. If someone attacks me in a physical way then i conclude that they wish me bodily harm. With that, I will do everything I can to stop that person up to and including killing him. I don't know if that guy has a knife or that he might have a gun. So in your mind, the possibility exists that while I am throwing a punch, it might get blocked by a knife or a bullet. In my scenario, I eliminate that possibility and thus, My problems (and his as well) are over.

When I was younger and less stupid and before I broke my neck, I never carried a gun. When I got into fights though the end result was to win. And whatever I could use to do so I did. There is nothing brave about getting your head crushed. They don't say at the funeral, "Well at least he didn't use a weapon. Good for him."

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Is that what it was? I thought it was Cajun for gun. I never know what's going on in New Orleans or LA. I'm always so drunk on gin when I go there. It's like the culture of drunks. But I love that place. New Orleans is a great town in case anyone hasn't been.

By the way, no jab at you bro. I realize our differences and I wasn't directing the comment towards you. But I feel we stand well enough as friends and men with different opinions that I could respond in an honest manner.

*Hugs

I get that, we're cool. Friends disagree all the time.

As for New Orleans, I hate that town. And yes everyone is pretty much drunk there a lot of the time. Truth is most of them aren't Cajuns there. Mostly tourists and imports. Most of the Cajun population live outside of NO. As most should.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Here's the thing. If someone attacks me in a physical way then i conclude that they wish me bodily harm. With that, I will do everything I can to stop that person up to and including killing him. I don't know if that guy has a knife or that he might have a gun. So in your mind, the possibility exists that while I am throwing a punch, it might get blocked by a knife or a bullet. In my scenario, I eliminate that possibility and thus, My problems (and his as well) are over.

When I was younger and less stupid and before I broke my neck, I never carried a gun. When I got into fights though the end result was to win. And whatever I could use to do so I did. There is nothing brave about getting your head crushed. They don't say at the funeral, "Well at least he didn't use a weapon. Good for him."

They say it when you're behind prison bars, "he used a weapon." I'd rather take my chances of getting offed by someone with a gun. You don't see murders around here often. Perhaps if I lived in NO, I would reconsider. But there is no need to pack a gun in Austin, Texas, unless you're really paranoid of being in the vast minority...which wouldn't offend me, because I thought things would never happen to me. And they did.

Point taken, but I still disagree.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I get that, we're cool. Friends disagree all the time.

As for New Orleans, I hate that town. And yes everyone is pretty much drunk there a lot of the time. Truth is most of them aren't Cajuns there. Mostly tourists and imports. Most of the Cajun population live outside of NO. As most should.

I get that too. But I had never experience the state nor New Orleans until recently--a few months ago.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

So burm was saying the photo didn't look real to him? Speaking of technology, is it possible to produce such a photo that looks real these days? I know they codes and stuff on the iphone are pretty indicative. But is there anyway to falsify that stuff?

Just a question from someone who isn't that technical.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

If you are going to bring up Martin's past, then Zimmerman's past will be brought up as well and neither were choir boys.

I'm just wondering what did Martin do to be suspicious in the first place? Just because Zimmerman thought so? That isn't good enough for me

I agree that all background should be looked at.

As for what was Martin doing, to start with he wasn't just walking home. He was standing around looking at the houses. Not that that is a problem in and of itself however, with the experience they have had on the neighborhood with all the break ins, he must have looked suspicious since he wasn't a regular in the neighborhood. Further, after being spotted and Zimmerman was on the phone with 911 he said that Martin was approaching his car. Seems a bit suspicious for someone who was just walking home with Skittles.

So there are two things that might have led to the suspicion.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

So burm was saying the photo didn't look real to him? Speaking of technology, is it possible to produce such a photo that looks real these days? I know they codes and stuff on the iphone are pretty indicative. But is there anyway to falsify that stuff?

Just a question from someone who isn't that technical.

I'm sure they "COULD" fake a photo. But the media wouldn't do that in favor of Zimmerman. They faked the audio of the 911 call to make him look bad. But yeah, they could fake it.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I agree that all background should be looked at.

As for what was Martin doing, to start with he wasn't just walking home. He was standing around looking at the houses. Not that that is a problem in and of itself however, with the experience they have had on the neighborhood with all the break ins, he must have looked suspicious since he wasn't a regular in the neighborhood. Further, after being spotted and Zimmerman was on the phone with 911 he said that Martin was approaching his car. Seems a bit suspicious for someone who was just walking home with Skittles.

So there are two things that might have led to the suspicion.

Now that he's been arrested, there isn't much to get uptight about for me. I'm just wondering if the media wants to carry this case on for a while because it's not as sensational anymore. I think the dude should get punished. But murder is going to be hard to prove. Usually you have to have some sort of intent, so I think the end result is manslaughter or an acquittal. Just wondering if the media wants to keep the fire burning. I'm thinking probably.

 

[Longboysfan]

The cut(s) looked like they were with a straight object. Maybe hitting the ground or a fence or something to make the long cut.

And what was the kid doing cutting through a gated community - with a complete gate system and warnings posted about.

Where was Dad - out to dinner with the girl friend.

 

[justbob]

First judging whether some is scared and feels like there life is in danger from the way someone looks like in a MMA fight is the dumbest thing I ever heard. The type of external evidence on the body has nothing to do with whether the person is critically injured or about to be. All of you arguments are what you think and believe and none of them are based on any shred of evidence. You decide that someone is not injured, or about to, be based on how they look and how a fighter looks. You decide a photo may not look real. How many real photos have you looked at.

I normally stay out of these discussions because of the uneducated agenda driven discussion. Plus the pure dumb statements. If your are going to make all these statements about someones life,injuries and motive ,at least have the facts or the education and experience to make a valid statement

 

[Yeagermeister]

First judging whether some is scared and feels like there life is in danger from the way someone looks like in a MMA fight is the dumbest thing I ever heard. The type of external evidence on the body has nothing to do with whether the person is critically injured or about to be. All of you arguments are what you think and believe and none of them are based on any shred of evidence. You decide that someone is not injured, or about to, be based on how they look and how a fighter looks. You decide a photo may not look real. How many real photos have you looked at.

I normally stay out of these discussions because of the uneducated agenda driven discussion. Plus the pure dumb statements. If your are going to make all these statements about someones life,injuries and motive ,at least have the facts or the education and experience to make a valid statement

WHOA calm down there old timer......don't need you blowing a gasket on us

 

[justbob]

WHOA calm down there old timer......don't need you blowing a gasket on us

Sorry Yeag --your right....I should understand people are going to offer up their opinions ---whether they are worth anything or not.

 

[TheCount]

Here's the thing. If someone attacks me in a physical way then i conclude that they wish me bodily harm. With that, I will do everything I can to stop that person up to and including killing him. I don't know if that guy has a knife or that he might have a gun.

All of that is fine and dandy, but it doesn't mean you couldn't be charged with a crime. Fear of a bloodied face does not validate a lethal response, otherwise every schoolyard fight could legally end in murder.

As to the photo, I'm not sure why people are assuming it's fake. What looks like a weird bald spot is simply the flash reflecting off his scalp which makes it look like there is no hair there.