Some new evidence in the Zimmerman case

[Cajuncowboy]

All of that is fine and dandy, but it doesn't mean you couldn't be charged with a crime. Fear of a bloodied face does not validate a lethal response, otherwise every schoolyard fight could legally end in murder.

I'll take my chances. No problem.

 

[iceberg]

All of that is fine and dandy, but it doesn't mean you couldn't be charged with a crime. Fear of a bloodied face does not validate a lethal response, otherwise every schoolyard fight could legally end in murder.

As to the photo, I'm not sure why people are assuming it's fake. What looks like a weird bald spot is simply the flash reflecting off his scalp which makes it look like there is no hair there.

and what if trayvon went for the gun?

 

[justbob]

All of that is fine and dandy, but it doesn't mean you couldn't be charged with a crime. Fear of a bloodied face does not validate a lethal response, otherwise every schoolyard fight could legally end in murder.

As to the photo, I'm not sure why people are assuming it's fake. What looks like a weird bald spot is simply the flash reflecting off his scalp which makes it look like there is no hair there.

The difference is whether there is a ligit fear of serious injury or death ,not just a bloody face.... And yes every school yard fight has the potential to become a possible homicide or a self defense case...Hitting my head on a hard surface is a higher threat level then hitting me in the nose(even though both could kill me)

 

[Khartun]

and what if trayvon went for the gun?

that may very well be what happened, if Zimmerman pulled the gun. If some ****** I don't know is following me around, pulls a gun, and I have the chance, I'm gonna go for it.

 

[03EBZ06]

I agree that all background should be looked at.

As for what was Martin doing, to start with he wasn't just walking home. He was standing around looking at the houses. Not that that is a problem in and of itself however, with the experience they have had on the neighborhood with all the break ins, he must have looked suspicious since he wasn't a regular in the neighborhood. Further, after being spotted and Zimmerman was on the phone with 911 he said that Martin was approaching his car. Seems a bit suspicious for someone who was just walking home with Skittles.

So there are two things that might have led to the suspicion.

So, other than Zimmerman, no one is allowed to look around? So what Martin wasn't regular? Zimmerman cannot know everyone in 250 unit gated community and their guests. Just because almighty Zimmerman doesn't know someone, doesn't make them suspicious. Your explanation doesn't do anything for me to say yeah I agree that Martin looked suspicious.

Martin can't defend himself so I can't go strictly by what Zimmerman has said or is saying. He is in a tough spot and I wouldn't be surprised if he is trying to put himself in a positive light.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

So, other than Zimmerman, no one is allowed to look around? So what Martin wasn't regular? Zimmerman cannot know everyone in 250 unit gated community and their guests. Just because almighty Zimmerman doesn't know someone, doesn't make them suspicious. Your explanation doesn't do anything for me to say yeah I agree that Martin looked suspicious.

Martin can't defend himself so I can't go strictly by what Zimmerman has said or is saying. He is in a tough spot and I wouldn't be surprised if he is trying to put himself in a positive light.

Well it is what it is. But when he started to approach the car I think that may have given Zimmerman pause that he might be up to something. But again, we don't know. You and I are both doing nothing but guessing.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

First judging whether some is scared and feels like there life is in danger from the way someone looks like in a MMA fight is the dumbest thing I ever heard. The type of external evidence on the body has nothing to do with whether the person is critically injured or about to be. All of you arguments are what you think and believe and none of them are based on any shred of evidence. You decide that someone is not injured, or about to, be based on how they look and how a fighter looks. You decide a photo may not look real. How many real photos have you looked at.

I normally stay out of these discussions because of the uneducated agenda driven discussion. Plus the pure dumb statements. If your are going to make all these statements about someones life,injuries and motive ,at least have the facts or the education and experience to make a valid statement

Sorry, I failed to clarify. I was also taught that taking someone's life, in almost any circumstance, aside from almost knowing you'd die, is the biggest wrong you can do. I still stand by that.

 

[Rack]

Yeah, I like you, Cajun. But I was always taught if you can't fight with fists, there is no use in fighting. I grew up being taught that it wasn't ok to throw the first punch, but it was to throw the last one.

I grew up with guns all around me. My friends were a lot of the agricultural type. I wore camouflage to school and most houses I lived in and visited had deer and stuff on the wall. So of course I shot guns and I know the power of guns.

Having said that, I see a certain amount of cowardice if someone pulls a gun unless it's an extreme circumstance, like someone breaking in your home, hurting your family, pulling a gun/knife on you.... I was just never taught to fight with anything other than my bare fists even though I grew up with guns.

I went to school with a guy that settled things with his fists.

He's dead, the result of being shot 10 times (as in ten bullets, not 10 separate incidents).


This isn't the 1950's. I'm not interested in winning a fight. I leave people alone, and expect to be left alone. If I'm not left alone there won't be any fisticuffs...

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I went to school with a guy that settled things with his fists.

He's dead, the result of being shot 10 times (as in ten bullets, not 10 separate incidents).


This isn't the 1950's. I'm not interested in winning a fight. I leave people alone, and expect to be left alone. If I'm not left alone there won't be any fisticuffs...

I get it. People like the idea of the Wild West. I just don't think that's the kind of world we should live in. A bit idealistic, I know. But I don't want to contribute. That's not to say I don't know where my tire iron is in my car. Or that I'm some push over whose house you can enter and not suffer repercussions. I'm saying that I don't believe in carrying weapons in most cases. So many accidental deaths and statistically not many citizens save themselves with guns anyway.

Of course, there are exceptions.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I get it. People like the idea of the Wild West. I just don't think that's the kind of world we should live in. A bit idealistic, I know. But I don't want to contribute. That's not to say I don't know where my tire iron is in my car. Or that I'm some push over whose house you can enter and not suffer repercussions. I'm saying that I don't believe in carrying weapons in most cases. So many accidental deaths and statistically not many citizens save themselves with guns anyway.

Of course, there are exceptions.

It's not a wild west mentality, it's a survival mentality. We now live in a world where people will kill you for literally a few dollars. The fact that human life means nothing anymore to this kind of element of our society has driven people like me to say "Okay. If this is how you want to play, then play with the big boys." I have several guns. I have one on me at almost all times and there is never one that isn't with 5 seconds of me grabbing one in my house.

It is sad that society has come to this but imagining that it hasn't isn't going to help.

I do respect your idea that you don't want to contribute to it. But I don't think you are contributing if you are a sensible gun owner who will only use it as self defense.

 

[Rack]

It's not a wild west mentality, it's a survival mentality.

Exactly. I'm not into the "high noon" BS. I don't mess with people, I'm respectful and tolerant, but if someone crosses the line and goes to far with me they're gonna get shot.

And I was taught, shoot to kill. Cuz dead crooks don't testify.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

It's not a wild west mentality, it's a survival mentality. We now live in a world where people will kill you for literally a few dollars. The fact that human life means nothing anymore to this kind of element of our society has driven people like me to say "Okay. If this is how you want to play, then play with the big boys." I have several guns. I have one on me at almost all times and there is never one that isn't with 5 seconds of me grabbing one in my house.

It is sad that society has come to this but imagining that it hasn't isn't going to help.

I do respect your idea that you don't want to contribute to it. But I don't think you are contributing if you are a sensible gun owner who will only use it as self defense.

Yeah, I get what you're saying too. But I disagree. So that's why we have free will to make separate decisions.

 

[zrinkill]

It's not a wild west mentality, it's a survival mentality. We now live in a world where people will kill you for literally a few dollars. The fact that human life means nothing anymore to this kind of element of our society has driven people like me to say "Okay. If this is how you want to play, then play with the big boys." I have several guns. I have one on me at almost all times and there is never one that isn't with 5 seconds of me grabbing one in my house.

It is sad that society has come to this but imagining that it hasn't isn't going to help.

Yup ......

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Yeah, I get what you're saying too. But I disagree. So that's why we have free will to make separate decisions.

Yes indeed.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Exactly. I'm not into the "high noon" BS. I don't mess with people, I'm respectful and tolerant, but if someone crosses the line and goes to far with me they're gonna get shot.

And I was taught, shoot to kill. Cuz dead crooks don't testify.

And again, yes indeed.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

It's pretty easy to get threads off track and I think this one jumped the rails a bit. Let's try to get it back on track before the Poof Fairy waves his magic wand and poof, the thread is gone.

 

[WoodysGirl]

It's pretty easy to get threads off track and I think this one jumped the rails a bit. Let's try to get it back on track before the Poof Fairy waves his magic wand and poof, the thread is gone.

I've been tracking the thread all along, and as long as the thread is civil, and is close to being on topic, then there's no need for us to close or delete the thread.

You guys do your part, and we won't have to do ours. Pretty simple concept.

 

[DFWJC]

I've been tracking the thread all along, and as long as the thread is civil, and is close to being on topic, then there's no need for us to close or delete the thread.

You guys do your part, and we won't have to do ours. Pretty simple concept.

Poof Fairy WG!

Fantasyland baby. Oops, getting off track.:laugh2:

 

[justbob]

I've been tracking the thread all along, and as long as the thread is civil, and is close to being on topic, then there's no need for us to close or delete the thread.

You guys do your part, and we won't have to do ours. Pretty simple concept.

Thought I felt someone looking over our shoulder---Thanks for keeping Them in line WG

 

[jcollins28]

It's not a wild west mentality, it's a survival mentality. We now live in a world where people will kill you for literally a few dollars. The fact that human life means nothing anymore to this kind of element of our society has driven people like me to say "Okay. If this is how you want to play, then play with the big boys." I have several guns. I have one on me at almost all times and there is never one that isn't with 5 seconds of me grabbing one in my house.

It is sad that society has come to this but imagining that it hasn't isn't going to help.

I do respect your idea that you don't want to contribute to it. But I don't think you are contributing if you are a sensible gun owner who will only use it as self defense.

No offense but this is a paranoid mentality. I live in the middle of over 4 million people. This does not include Los Angeles or Orange County. I do not see people getting killed daily over a few hundred dollars or thousand of dollars. I do not feel the need to carry a gun and I do not feel that my life is in danger. Simply put if your looking for trouble trouble will find you. Just like it did to Zimmerman.