Some News Starts to Trickle In

[AbeBeta]

On top of that, you have Pat McQuistan, Doug Free and James Marteen. If you pick up Jared Gaither (assuming you carry 9 linemen), you have no true guard/center as reserves (all are tackles). Either that orr you have to relegate one or two of those guys to the practice squad.

So, we have no legit backup at G/C right now anyway.

 

[TheSport78]

Actually, I'd think that if a player were picked by a team and released that he'd be very likely to end up with the team at a later date b/c that is easier than bringing in a new guy who has to learn the system. That's not a positive at all -- it isn't like we stashed the guy on the PS or anything -- he stank it up so much that we didn't even try to sign him to our PS.

Many 6th round picks do not even make the roster at all. It's a crapshoot, and besides Stanley is better suited for the Phillips 34. Give the guy a break he was a rookie, he improved when he went to JAX so he could make the roster this year.

 

[TheSport78]

Everyone is "possibly" a gem.

If you're not optimistic about Pat Watkins then I don't know what else to say to you. He IMPROVED as the year went on. Hamlin was signed for having a veteran presence in the secondary. I guarantee if you ask the majority of Cowboy fans, they'll say they're excited about Watkins. It was the 5TH ROUND!

 

[AbeBeta]

If you're not optimistic about Pat Watkins then I don't know what else to say to you. He IMPROVED as the year went on. Hamlin was signed for having a veteran presence in the secondary. I guarantee if you ask the majority of Cowboy fans, they'll say they're excited about Watkins. It was the 5TH ROUND!

Excited? If he can become a serviceable 3rd safety that's good -- Hamlin was signed b/c it was clear last year that Watkins wasn't going to set the world on fire.

 

[theogt]

GAITHER GOING IN ROUND FIVE?

A league source with knowledge of the evaluation of Maryland tackle Jared Gaither believes that Gaither will be selected in the fifth round.

The source says that, if Gaither were in the April draft pool, he possibly would be a first-day (i.e., round one, two, or three) selection.

The word on Gaither is that he's immature, and that he doesn't fully appreciate his physical gifts. He lost his academic eligibility because he hated school. And given that teams didn't have time to do their due diligence, teams will be less willing to take a chance on him.

Another source says that Georgia cornerback Paul Oliver likely will be drafted, but possibly as late as round seven. The source says that Oliver is believed to be too slow to be an effective corner and too small to be an effective safety. A couple of other eligible players are expected to be signed as free agent.

 

[TheSport78]

Excited? If he can become a serviceable 3rd safety that's good -- Hamlin was signed b/c it was clear last year that Watkins wasn't going to set the world on fire.

I don't agree with that. If Hamlin works out this year, then great! But the Cowboys are HOPING that Hamlin can provide a veteran presence in the secondary which Watkins can learn from. If Watkins is so servicable, why was he STARTING at FS in Nickel packages next to Hamlin in Minicamp? Come on dude. The Cowboys are finding ways to get Watkins on the field as well as Hamlin.

 

[AbeBeta]

I don't agree with that. If Hamlin works out this year, then great! But the Cowboys are HOPING that Hamlin can provide a veteran presence in the secondary which Watkins can learn from. If Watkins is so servicable, why was he STARTING at FS in Nickel packages next to Hamlin in Minicamp? Come on dude. The Cowboys are finding ways to get Watkins on the field as well as Hamlin.

it was the dime package and he was STARTING there because that is the package that moves Roy to a LB position. That's not about finding a way to get him on the field that's about getting Roy closer to the line.

 

[AbeBeta]

GAITHER GOING IN ROUND FIVE?

A league source with knowledge of the evaluation of Maryland tackle Jared Gaither believes that Gaither will be selected in the fifth round.

The source says that, if Gaither were in the April draft pool, he possibly would be a first-day (i.e., round one, two, or three) selection.

The word on Gaither is that he's immature, and that he doesn't fully appreciate his physical gifts. He lost his academic eligibility because he hated school. And given that teams didn't have time to do their due diligence, teams will be less willing to take a chance on him.

Another source says that Georgia cornerback Paul Oliver likely will be drafted, but possibly as late as round seven. The source says that Oliver is believed to be too slow to be an effective corner and too small to be an effective safety. A couple of other eligible players are expected to be signed as free agent.

Last year PFT had the news on the supp draft about half an hour before anyone else -- good place to keep an eye on today.

 

[Hostile]

Everyone is "possibly" a gem.

So what you are maintaining then is that Gaither is a gem, but the other guys (Marten & Free) are potential busts because of guys like Clay Shiver, Stephen Peterman, etc.

What brand of crystal ball do you use? Know of any good discounts?

 

[AbeBeta]

So what you are maintaining then is that Gaither is a gem, but the other guys (Marten & Free) are potential busts because of guys like Clay Shiver, Stephen Peterman, etc.

What brand of crystal ball do you use? Know of any good discounts?

The context was a discussion of how much better Ireland is than Lacewell -- the point I was making was that you can't say "wow, we got Barber in the 4th and Crayton in the 7th" (even though Crayton wasn't really a guy Ireland had anything to do with) and raise the flag on Jeff Ireland being some great scout.

Everyone is a potential bust just as they are potential gems. But betting on a 3rd and a 4th rounder to work out remains a long shot. If you want to got the low draft pick route on OL then you've got to accept a high failure rate. When you can add guys with promise, add them.

What's the worst that happens if we spend a 5th rounder? We carry an extra OL guy and some kicker loses a spot on the roster? Adams gets outplayed and we get rid of him?

 

[burmafrd]

If we could get Gaither with a 5th I would do it. A fifth is not that much of a price to pay for someone with that much physical talent.

 

[Hostile]

The context was a discussion of how much better Ireland is than Lacewell -- the point I was making was that you can't say "wow, we got Barber in the 4th and Crayton in the 7th" (even though Crayton wasn't really a guy Ireland had anything to do with) and raise the flag on Jeff Ireland being some great scout.

Everyone is a potential bust just as they are potential gems. But betting on a 3rd and a 4th rounder to work out remains a long shot. If you want to got the low draft pick route on OL then you've got to accept a high failure rate. When you can add guys with promise, add them.

What's the worst that happens if we spend a 5th rounder? We carry an extra OL guy and some kicker loses a spot on the roster? Adams gets outplayed and we get rid of him?

Honestly Ab you're all over the board on this topic.

The Cowboys do NOT appear to be interested in Gaither and are not likely to spend a pick on any prospect when this starts in 25 minutes. Two of the reasons for this are named Doug Free and James Marten. Clearly the scouting department is willing to roll the dice that they hit home runs on these two players. I'm not sure why that is so hard to grasp.

 

[TheSport78]

Honestly Ab you're all over the board on this topic.

The Cowboys do NOT appear to be interested in Gaither and are not likely to spend a pick on any prospect when this starts in 25 minutes. Two of the reasons for this are named Doug Free and James Marten. Clearly the scouting department is willing to roll the dice that they hit home runs on these two players. I'm not sure why that is so hard to grasp.

Exactly. When you invest a 3rd and a 4th round pick in offensive linemen, you need to find out what you have with them. When you draft ANYONE on the first day, you have the intention of someday starting those players. Fasano was an exception because clearly that was a Parcells pick. I do expect Fasano to have a key role in the offense however since Witten won't be relegated to blocking as much in this Garrett offense. If you spend a 5th on Gaither, where does he fit on the roster? They're only so many spots especially when we have a lack of depth at guard and especially center.

 

[AbeBeta]

Honestly Ab you're all over the board on this topic.

The Cowboys do NOT appear to be interested in Gaither and are not likely to spend a pick on any prospect when this starts in 25 minutes. Two of the reasons for this are named Doug Free and James Marten. Clearly the scouting department is willing to roll the dice that they hit home runs on these two players. I'm not sure why that is so hard to grasp.

I'm not all over the board -- it is two different discussions. One was of whether Ireland is a super genius and the other is of whether we should drop a low pick on Gaither. How exactly am I all over the board?

 

[dogunwo]

I hope no one is getting their hopes up about the supplemental draft. The cowboys are looking for high character guys. I dont see how anyone can read all that about Gaither and think the Cowboys have high interest.

 

[AbeBeta]

If you spend a 5th on Gaither, where does he fit on the roster? They're only so many spots especially when we have a lack of depth at guard and especially center.

Just as taking Marten and Free allowed us to look at different options with McQ, taking Gaither would allow us to look at different options with those players. I've read all kinds of different opinions on where both of those guys could play - inside and out, even center.

 

[AbeBeta]

I hope no one is getting their hopes up about the supplemental draft. The cowboys are looking for high character guys. I dont see how anyone can read all that about Gaither and think the Cowboys have high interest.

Gaither flunked out of school. That's not bad character. That's poor study skills.

 

[dogunwo]

Gaither flunked out of school. That's not bad character. That's poor study skills.

why are you so sold on him?

 

[TheSport78]

Gaither flunked out of school. That's not bad character. That's poor study skills.

GAITHER GOING IN ROUND FIVE?
A league source with knowledge of the evaluation of Maryland tackle Jared Gaither believes that Gaither will be selected in the fifth round.
The source says that, if Gaither were in the April draft pool, he possibly would be a first-day (i.e., round one, two, or three) selection.
The word on Gaither is that he's immature, and that he doesn't fully appreciate his physical gifts. He lost his academic eligibility because he hated school. And given that teams didn't have time to do their due diligence, teams will be less willing to take a chance on him.​

 

[dogunwo]

GAITHER GOING IN ROUND FIVE?
A league source with knowledge of the evaluation of Maryland tackle Jared Gaither believes that Gaither will be selected in the fifth round.
The source says that, if Gaither were in the April draft pool, he possibly would be a first-day (i.e., round one, two, or three) selection.
The word on Gaither is that he's immature, and that he doesn't fully appreciate his physical gifts. He lost his academic eligibility because he hated school. And given that teams didn't have time to do their due diligence, teams will be less willing to take a chance on him.​

Doesnt that sound like the Willie Blade of offensive lineman?