Some of you all are just embarassing

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  1. bbailey423

    bbailey423 Well-Known Member

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    Sorry...I had to start a new thread...because I don't want this point to be lost. Some of you all...with 10,000....15,000....20,000+ posts on this board...your LACK of understanding the game of football is down right embarrassing. And it's not about us all having to agree on everything....we should and we do RESPECTFULLY disagree with one another a lot. But there is a difference in disagreeing...and debating with people who simply don't know the game. And maybe EVERYONE on this board THINKS they know the game...but many of you don't...and you lead people astray who admittedly are here to learn from people here that are SUPPOSED to know the game.

    Every time I read any reference to Pollard carrying the load....I want to scream and/or throw my laptop against the wall. You might be mad at Zeke. You might think he should "honor his contract". But does that mean you have lost all football sensibilities...or maybe you never had any?

    One of the biggest things that many of you are missing....when you point to what Darren McFadden did...or what Alfred Morris averaged per carry...or what Pollard has done so far.....is NONE of them...force the defense to make a business decision. All yards per carry are NOT equal. All 100 yard games are not equal. All 1000 yards seasons are not equal. We all know about Zeke's ability to run, catch...and block. But late in games...especially when the season starts to drag on...peoples desire to tackle Zeke plays a big part in wearing down a defense. So it's NOT just about how many times Dallas runs the ball...it's how many times do they run the ball with a RB that makes the defense tap out.

    So I know there are thread after thread on this topic. And I know everyone will not agree with my take. But some of you all should really STOP IT...with this nonsense comparing all of these guys to Zeke. Or thinking we have found Zeke's replacement after a couple of pre-season games. Or over valuing Darren McFadden's 1000+ yard season in Dallas. They are not Zeke for MANY reasons...and their inability to bring the violence and physicality to the run game is either not understood by some of you or not considered when comparing Zeke to them
     
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  2. EST_1986

    EST_1986 Well-Known Member

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    So you’re saying there’s a chance?
     
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  3. Blackrain

    Blackrain Well-Known Member

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    Zeke is a physical runner but watch some old footage of Jim Brown , Earl Campbell , and the Nigerian NightMare. They made defenses Tap Out . Zeke presents a physical presence but not to the point of making a defense quit
     
  4. bbailey423

    bbailey423 Well-Known Member

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    Different era. Jim Brown was bigger than everyone trying to tackle him. Campbell was not nearly as fast, agile or creative as Zeke. The speed and power Zeke generates...the size of his head...guys do not want to get and stay in front of him late in games. Not all "physical" runs are created equal. Zeke is physical....we speed, power AND agility.
     
  5. Rockport

    Rockport AmberBeer Zone Supporter

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    Weak. So what Pollard isn’t Zeke. I don’t think anyone said he was/is. Teams can win without a Zeke or a Cambell or a Brown.
     
  6. bbailey423

    bbailey423 Well-Known Member

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    Then you really do NOT understand how Dallas is TRYING to win. Pollard will not come close to having the same affect on a defense that Zeke would have. And yes...you could win games with Pollard. But Dallas is NOT winning a Super Bowl with Pollard
     
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  7. Rockport

    Rockport AmberBeer Zone Supporter

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    Ok Bill Belicheck.
     
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  8. Fritsch_the_cat

    Fritsch_the_cat Well-Known Member

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    You don't have to be when no one can tackle you.
     
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  9. bbailey423

    bbailey423 Well-Known Member

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    I respect Earl Campbell. Love Earl Campbell. But I hate it even more watching what his style has reduced him too at this point in his life. Earl would not have been Earl today. The size and the speed of the players would have impacted his ability to bully them like he did in his day. Think Jerome Bettis. A running back who was really good...but also had his road to the HOF paved due to longevity. But Earl would have been tackled in todays game...if we could tackle Brandon Jacobs (who was much faster than Earl)....we could tackle Earl Campbell. I remember the key to tackling Brandon Jacobs was to hit him before he could get speed/momentum going....so Dallas often hit him around the LOS...well before he got on top of DBs. But I also remember Roy Williams tackling him 1 on 1 very often.
     
  10. bbailey423

    bbailey423 Well-Known Member

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    I'ts not even about that...I just wish people that are frustrated with Zeke to keep it in perspective. We have lost all perspective because some are mad at him. And pointing to all of these RBs as if they could easily replace Zeke is utter nonsense. We are not talking about can someone else go get 100 yards. But can they do that for 16 weeks. Can they catch out the backfield. Can they pick up the blitz on 3rd down. Can they finish runs delivering pain. And can they do all of this EVERY week?
     
  11. Blackrain

    Blackrain Well-Known Member

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    I think many people have a different perspective than yours at this point and that is paying Zeke early is something we are not required to do and if we do pay him early we certainly are not obligated to make him the highest paid RB in the league . That said Zeke and the running game are key to our team and Jerry has made a more than fair offer under the circumstances.

    We do not have any idea if Pollard can give us the production we need in REAL games but his play in preseason has certainly been a positive and a reason for hope if Zeke remains unreasonable.
    We cant compromise signing other players on the team because Zeke feels after a couple good seasons he needs the status of being the highest paid at his position. His talent is top 3 on the team his character is bottom 3 and makes him a liability if he is unable to play because of off field issues .

    In short this is a guy who has and continues to make bad decisions that could greatly influence his playing time . Very hard to go all in on a guy like that and be doing your job as GM .

    Thats Jerrys perspective and how many of us look at this situation it has nothing to do with being mad at Zeke just not compromising the whole team for a guy whos immature behavior could keep him out of games after he is paid a kings ransom
     
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  12. bbailey423

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    So paying him a dollar less than Gurley makes you more comfortable with his potential for off the field missteps? No matter if or when he gets a new deal....I am sure behavioral clauses will be part of the language. And if you are that concerned about his off the field behavior...don't re-sign him.....trade him! And at this point I don't care what they do. I know with Zeke we HAVE a chance to win it all....without him....we have ZERO chance. So do SOMETHING so this team and fan base can move on. If they don't want to pay him...stick to your guns and move him!
     
  13. Keithfansince5

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    You realize this is an OPINION right? Just in case you were deluded into thinking this was a FACT. Carry on....
     
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  14. LACowboysFan1

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    I'd have to agree in part, Zeke does the hurdling thing and ducks away from contact some times, though I have no problem with that, I'd rather he be around more years than make tons of highlight reels for knocking into defensive players.

    As far as the 3 you mentioned, Brown was 230 lbs in a time when defenders were a lot smaller, LeRoy Jordan was 215 lbs, e.g., so Brown had the weight advantage. Okoye was 254 lbs, I guess he was more a physical presence. Campbell was 232 lbs on a 5-11 frame, again bigger than Zeke, and we saw what happened to him after he tried to, and did, run over guys all the time.

    Zeke does have a physical presence, not as much as Brown, etc. but I think if you ask DBs and LBs around the league if Zeke they don't relish the prospect of having to take on Zeke head on....
     
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  15. bbailey423

    bbailey423 Well-Known Member

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    I tell you what is a FACT. Zeke has led the entire NFL in rushing since he stepped foot in the NFL. Zeke was a top 5 pick for a reason. Pollard was a mid round pick for a reason. Pollard has NEVER been a bell cow. Pollard was the change of pace back on his college team. Pollard did not come from a team/conference where there is a lot of NFL talent. We tried this when Emmit held out. We let Murray walk thinking Randle could get the rest of the meat on that bone. These are all FACTS!!! So there a lot more FACTS surrounding Zeke. And lot of question marks surrounding Pollard!
     
  16. Keithfansince5

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    No one ever punished DB's or defenders more than Campbell. Watching his highlight reels is something to see. Guys tearing his shirt off while he is still running. Spearing a defender in his chest with his helmet and still running. He was electric to watch. But it did wear him down real fact. For the first couple 3 years though, he was dynamite.

    I amend this to add in Larry Czonka too. He was an absolute abuser of defenders also in his day.
     
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  17. bbailey423

    bbailey423 Well-Known Member

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    Okoye was hurt a lot....because he had no agility. A big fast guy...who got lit up quite a bit.
     
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  18. Rockport

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    Zeke will be playing but if here weren't the offense would have to change because we have no one who can carry the load like Zeke can. So no 1 player can replace Zeke, but with a different offensive scheme that does rely on the running game as much, the TEAM can replace Zeke.
     
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  19. Keithfansince5

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    True. I have yet to see a poster on this site claim Pollard is better than, or equal to Zeke. If someone has, please post it so we can all see it. Zeke is an elite RB for certain and Dallas NEEDS him. But, Dallas can absolutely win without him. They just have to change their philosophy a bit to do it. Rather than being a run first team they would need to be a pass first team kinda like Garrett prefers anyway. Watching the pre season, Dallas certainly was a pass happy team. Either they did that on purpose or they are working on changing thinking they are not going to get eke signed? Either way, if they become a pass happy team, it will potentially make it harder to win. But they can do it if they do it smartly. Pollard is a good RB. Anyone who claims to know football can or should see that. So, if Zeke holds out, Pollard is the best option we have and I think he could be a 1,000+ yard runner if he started all of the games. Would he be a 1,600 yard back? NO. But he would be enough to keep defenses still respectful of our run game.
     
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  20. LACowboysFan1

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    Problem is it's a bit too late to start changing philosophy, this team has been built for a running back oriented offense ever since Zeke was drafted. Sort of like drafting a bunch of heavy NTs and LBs to run a 3-4 defense, if you try to change to a 4-3 you're going to have problems, just don't have the right personnel, and to get them takes a while.

    No, the Cowboys are stuck with needing a Zeke for now, I do think they will get a deal done by Sept 8th, because I think Jerry remembers what happened with Emmitt's hold out, lots of folks claimed with the Great Wall up front "any running back will do". Well, we saw that Derrick Lassic (sic) wasn't it, to me Pollard is the same, a talented back but NOT someone who's able to carry the ball 300-plus times, block for blitzes and catch 50-70 passes. Maybe he can, but I don't want to find out.

    My view of this team is that with T. Smith's creaky back, Collins entering his last year on the current contract, guys like B. Jones shortly coming up for big contracts, they are in a win now mode. Jerry's no spring chicken, he doesn't have another 22 years to get that elusive sixth, non-Jimmy Johnson guys SB ring.

    But hey, that's my view, you may be right, to each his own...
     

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