Some of you all are just embarassing

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  1. kskboys

    kskboys Well-Known Member

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    Oh, and the embarrassing thingie? Not the first time I've been told that. Not even close!!!
     
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  2. bbailey423

    bbailey423 Well-Known Member

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    Fair point.
     
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  3. bbailey423

    bbailey423 Well-Known Member

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    Tell me a time when pollard was ever a bell cow? We've done this before. With Felix Jones. This time we were smart enough not to use a 1st round pick!
     
  4. CapnB

    CapnB Well-Known Member

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    I can attest to this
     
  5. Northern_Cowboy

    Northern_Cowboy Well-Known Member

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    So you can assume that he can't do the job , but the rest of us can't assume he can? Here try it this way tell me a time after he signed with us as a UFA that Tony Romo showed you he could be the starter he was for us and hold all the team records, better yet tell me a time in your illustrious career as a football evaluator that Tom Brady (Before he was drafted) showed you he had the ability to become the greatest QB to ever play the game? Better yet how many sure fire can't miss 1st round draft picks in the history of the NFL became 1st round busts? Nobody knows anything until they actually play in the NFL, so you assuming Pollard can't do the job is no different than those assuming he can
     
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  6. kskboys

    kskboys Well-Known Member

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    No problem.

    On 12/22/18, Pollard was 17/109.

    On 11/23, Pollard was 11/83 along w/ 8/116 receiving.
     
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  7. bbailey423

    bbailey423 Well-Known Member

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    So this is enough.......never mind.
     
  8. kskboys

    kskboys Well-Known Member

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    Whoa there hossie. You specifically said "ever".

    Since Pollard had a stud RB in Henderson taking most of the carries, we simply do not know what Pollard is capable of.
     
  9. Hennessy_King

    Hennessy_King Well-Known Member

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    Because they aren't making their opinions on logic. It's about emotion. Especially for a lot of the older fans here. It has nothing to do with ability it's about zeke not knowing his "place" and should do what he is "told".
     
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  10. Sydla

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    For many, it's not about comparing Zeke to this guy or that guy.

    It's about understanding that the way the league operates now, many successful teams are winning games with a gaggle of TBs and not simply pouring millions and millions into a large, expensive contract for one TB.

    Is Zeke one of the best RBs in football? Yep. Do you need one of the best RBs in football with a big contract in order to win games? Not really.

    That's the position many take. In a league where there is a cap, you can't sign everyone and some people look around the league and see it might make more sense financially to not lock yourself into a huge contract for one TB, but rather, hodge podge the TB position and then use the money to bring back a CB that you might let walk otherwise, for example.
     
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  11. armadillooutlaw

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    That's the direction the good teams that consistently contend for titles take. Great OL and good, affordable RB/RBs = highly productive running game. Just one example I wanted to mention; the New Orleans Saints. They have Kamara on a rookie deal, right? They were pairing him with Ingram who was on a modest contract, and when Ingram left in FA they were able to sign a solid back like Latavis Murray for 3.6 million a year, a guy that has proven to be productive.
    I have little doubt their running game will be among the best in the league this year.
    They were sixth in the league in rushing yards last year, and had 26 rushing TDs.
    Not too shabby.
     
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  12. LACowboysFan1

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    That's true, and there's always Morris also, if the Cowboys keep him, he's at least an experienced back.

    But I don't want to find out, I know what we have in Zeke, and no question he's a premier back, he can do it all, something neither Pollard ( as far as we know now) or Morris can do.

    I feel Zeke will get signed by the opening game, last I heard they were quibbling over guaranteed money, not the entire contract....
     
  13. LACowboysFan1

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    I didn't mean to compare Lassic and Pollard other than they were supposedly the "any back" that some thought could run behind the line, though obviously a back has to be talented to some degree just because he got onto an NFL team's final 53 roster over lots of other backs competing for a spot. "Talented" wasn't meant to be construed as a top back, just someone that was "thought" to be able to run well behind the Cowboys' line...
     
  14. Blackrain

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    Im hoping he gets signed because minus the off field stuff he is much more of a proven commodity. That said I dont feel like the season is shot if he dosent because Dak has progressed and I believe Kellen Moore may use the passing game just a bit more now that we have some more weapons in that area to draw the attention of the defense .

    I just dont want signing Zeke to compromise the talent we are able to keep on defense . Have watched the less talented Defenses of the past cost us in big games to the point I feel we need to keep that talent at all cost .

    My gut feeling is with Dak and the total offenses progression along with there is no tape on how Moore calls a game yet we could get by with a RB who gives us 85% of Zekes production and ZERO off field problems . But lack of talent on the defense has been a proven cause of failure
     
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  15. LACowboysFan1

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    Though when you have a Brees available to throw the ball, and a Payton to run the offfense, proven SB winning qb and hc, teams have to respect the pass more than with Dak, makes running the ball a bit easier. Take Brees out and put him with Tayson Hill for a season and their running game might not be as productive.

    But overall I agree with you, though there's more than one way to win SBs. The Ravens won one with their tight end as their leading receiver, e.g.

    Let's hope Dallas' approach is as productive...
     
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  16. LACowboysFan1

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    No doubt, though I don't think the Cowboys put as much emphasis on the defense in years past, maybe the light went on after some of the "proven cause of failure" you noted happened....
     
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  17. CaliStar68

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    I see it as "Let it do what do baby!". We all want Zeke back but not if it ruins the process to obtain other key personal. This has been such a frustrating team to be a fan of really since the mid 80's ( I will always be a CD4L) so I learned not to get so fired up over the drama, doesn't always happen, as I get older. Ok I still get somewhat riled up but none of us can control what Jerry or Zeke does or doesn't do. All I'm saying is give respect get respect cause being Cowboy's fans we already have the world against us let's not turn on each other. Plus my opinion is the only one that matters!!!!
     
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  18. LACowboysFan1

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    To me "bell cow" means a back that carried the team offensively for a whole season or more, in Pollard's best year, 2018, he touched the ball 117 times in 13 games, or 9 times a game total, that's not a "bell cow" to me.

    He's 6-0 and 215. Emmitt was 215 but on a more compact 5-9 frame, unknown if he can take the pounding.

    I can see arguments either way, if for no other reason than we won't know if he can be a "bell cow" until they try to make him one, but I have concerns that he can rush 20 times and catch 5 passes a game for a 16 or more game season.

    Won't know unless and until it happens, I'm open to to either possibility...
     
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  19. kskboys

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    Absolutely. I was merely refuting the statement that Pollard hadn't "ever" been a bell cow. Simply pointing out that he had some games w/ a lot of touches.

    I think it would be a mistake to try to make Pollard a bell cow. It's highly unlikely he'd last long at all due to build. However, I have no problem w/ sharing carries w/ Pollard and whomever earns 2nd RB status. Looks like Morris to me at this point.
     
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  20. kskboys

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    It's been so painstakingly slow, watching Jerry try things and make the mistakes that have already been made in the past. Trying to build an OL w/ spare parts and late rounders was mindnumbingly stupid. Surely there's someone on the staff who knew better. So, what happened? Did they tell Jerry "That won't work, Jerry"? And did Jerry reply "Well, we're going to try it anyway"? I mean, how in the world could we be soooo stupid?
     

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