Something isn't right

[SoupcanSam]

He could win one SB and people would still bash him. That's part of life.....you can't make everyone happy.

I like the guy as our QB going forward. If people want to bash him so be it. I'm not a weak minded person who's going to let them doubt my resolve for the guy.

I guarantee that if dak wins a SB these are the excuses that will be lined up:

-because running game
-because oline
-because top 5 defense
-because coaching(desperation move)

 

[foofighters]

I have been a fan for a really really REALLY long time. I have seen some of the best and worse come and go.

I have also been on many forums going as far back as the old ESPN forums of the late 90's early 2000's.

I have never, and I mean never witnessed the trashing of any terrible players I can remember years back the way Dak has received as of late.

And we are talking about not only a guy who had a great 1st season but a guy that TECHNICALLY still had a second winning season(9 wins) despite zekes suspension, bad coaching and getting killed because of oline injuries.

I believe most made Romo the exception and fans turned the other cheek on romos flaws for so many years, and the man is damn near a home town hero without having contributed to a single piece of hardware.

We now dak can throw the ball, we seen amazing accuracy and down field passing in 16. We know he can win without a star wideout, he did it without an injured Dez. And we know he can hold his own without an oline and decent RB, he scrapped together 9 wins last year, cassell and weeden would have never even made it close to 9 in the same situation.

The guy took an *** whipping last year and the coaches refused to help him or make adjustments and a lot of you leaned on the "exposed" instead of seeing the real problem or the WHOLE picture.

This fan base is turning weird. It seems more like a lot of fans are looking forward to failure just to have an I told you moment then actually being excited about football.

I believe Dak will have his fair share of 3-4 td passing with a couple rushing td games, and will still have those fans waiting up till the 2min warning of the 4th QTR, for dak to throw that INT just to get their fix.

So I want to know right now. What makes Dak(who has 2 winning seasons under his belt, no matter how you want to spin that 2nd season) any different from the other slew of crappy *** players who have received nothing but slaps in the wrist from fans over the years?

I can go back to the end of the aikman era for a proper begining and don't remember one player that got this kind of treatment.

I for one won't accept the Dak got exposed excuse any longer. And the he isn't Romo excuse is damn near laughable because we all know how that goes.

I stopped reading when you talked about Romo getting a free pass. That guy was constantly hammered by fans, non fans and the media.

 

[Doomsday101]

You nailed it... That's where I've been going with my questioning but no one would bite until you grabbed the hook.

Tony replaced the grossly unpopular Bleedslow.
Dak replaced the statue memorialized Romo.

Dak's battle will continue to be uphill primarily due to that stark difference.

Just to be fair, I'll answer my own question. Both have suffered their fair shares of unfair criticism but the level of unfairness heaved at Dak has been greater than anything Tony suffered in his first 2 years starting.

You might be right but clearly Romo had his share of it, from backwards caps that seemed to mean he lacked leadership (still can't figure that one out) to playing golf on his off time. Claims of Romo being a choker, so many wanted him to be able to prove it wrong including me but unfortunately for Romo that time never came and somehow that is all Dak fault so not the burden is on Dak. I watched it with Meredith who finally just retired saying it was no longer fun and of course Danny White who followed behind Roger that was brutal but at least there was no social media sights and lastly even Aikman who was booed towards the end of his career. It is not an easy task being the QB for the Cowboys

 

[erod]

I have been a fan for a really really REALLY long time. I have seen some of the best and worse come and go.

I have also been on many forums going as far back as the old ESPN forums of the late 90's early 2000's.

I have never, and I mean never witnessed the trashing of any terrible players I can remember years back the way Dak has received as of late.

And we are talking about not only a guy who had a great 1st season but a guy that TECHNICALLY still had a second winning season(9 wins) despite zekes suspension, bad coaching and getting killed because of oline injuries.

I believe most made Romo the exception and fans turned the other cheek on romos flaws for so many years, and the man is damn near a home town hero without having contributed to a single piece of hardware.

We now dak can throw the ball, we seen amazing accuracy and down field passing in 16. We know he can win without a star wideout, he did it without an injured Dez. And we know he can hold his own without an oline and decent RB, he scrapped together 9 wins last year, cassell and weeden would have never even made it close to 9 in the same situation.

The guy took an *** whipping last year and the coaches refused to help him or make adjustments and a lot of you leaned on the "exposed" instead of seeing the real problem or the WHOLE picture.

This fan base is turning weird. It seems more like a lot of fans are looking forward to failure just to have an I told you moment then actually being excited about football.

I believe Dak will have his fair share of 3-4 td passing with a couple rushing td games, and will still have those fans waiting up till the 2min warning of the 4th QTR, for dak to throw that INT just to get their fix.

So I want to know right now. What makes Dak(who has 2 winning seasons under his belt, no matter how you want to spin that 2nd season) any different from the other slew of crappy *** players who have received nothing but slaps in the wrist from fans over the years?

I can go back to the end of the aikman era for a proper begining and don't remember one player that got this kind of treatment.

I for one won't accept the Dak got exposed excuse any longer. And the he isn't Romo excuse is damn near laughable because we all know how that goes.

This incessant whining is growing tiring, especially when you refuse to even try to understand the cynicism about Dak.

We all like Dak. This is simply a question of professional arm talent and mental acuity at this level, of which he demonstrates very little of to date. So far, he's inaccurate, indecisive, and mentally not ready to run an NFL offense. That's why they're implementing a more more college-oriented offense this season. In time, he'll gain a better understanding, but time will not heal inaccuracy.

Outside of Dallas, nobody is oohing and aahing over Dak. Nobody. He is not feared by anyone. The league has quite comfortably figured him out. If the NFL held a QB re-draft right now of every quarterback, he wouldn't make the top 25. NOT ONE TEAM IN THE NFC WOULD TRADE QUARTERBACKS WITH DALLAS FOR THIS SEASON EXCEPT FOR TAMPA.

Fortunately for Dak, he has the best running game in the league to carry the water, so he can look pretty good at times. The problem is, good defenses can get him to 3rd and long enough that he simply can't convert with any regularity.

Dallas struggles to score touchdowns regularly. That's because Dak can't convert 3rd downs when he's asked to stand in the pocket and read zone coverages. He checks down behind the sticks, and hopes for broken tackles.

Can this change? Sure. But when I see the ducks that leave his hands, it brings pause. Until I see otherwise, that's just where we are.

How loud and hard you shake your pom-poms won't make a lick of difference.

 

[BigD49]

Exhibit A

Couldn't have proved your point any better lol

 

[JustChip]

I know I was just throwing numbers out there.

As my wife says, I'm a little on the concrete side.

 

[Bleu Star]

You might be right but clearly Romo had his share of it, from backwards caps that seemed to mean he lacked leadership (still can't figure that one out) to playing golf on his off time. Claims of Romo being a choker, so many wanted him to be able to prove it wrong including me but unfortunately for Romo that time never came and somehow that is all Dak fault so not the burden is on Dak. I watched it with Meredith who finally just retired saying it was no longer fun and of course Danny White who followed behind Roger that was brutal but at least there was no social media sights and lastly even Aikman who was booed towards the end of his career. It is not an easy task being the QB for the Cowboys

Again, I'm speaking on a quantitative comparison. "First two years starting".

You're talking things about Romo that we all felt "over the years".

No one (including Romo) has suffered more unfair criticism over the course of his 1st two years starting in Dallas than Dak.

Fact.

 

[Fletch]

I have been a fan for a really really REALLY long time. I have seen some of the best and worse come and go.

I have also been on many forums going as far back as the old ESPN forums of the late 90's early 2000's.

I have never, and I mean never witnessed the trashing of any terrible players I can remember years back the way Dak has received as of late.

And we are talking about not only a guy who had a great 1st season but a guy that TECHNICALLY still had a second winning season(9 wins) despite zekes suspension, bad coaching and getting killed because of oline injuries.

I believe most made Romo the exception and fans turned the other cheek on romos flaws for so many years, and the man is damn near a home town hero without having contributed to a single piece of hardware.

We now dak can throw the ball, we seen amazing accuracy and down field passing in 16. We know he can win without a star wideout, he did it without an injured Dez. And we know he can hold his own without an oline and decent RB, he scrapped together 9 wins last year, cassell and weeden would have never even made it close to 9 in the same situation.

The guy took an *** whipping last year and the coaches refused to help him or make adjustments and a lot of you leaned on the "exposed" instead of seeing the real problem or the WHOLE picture.

This fan base is turning weird. It seems more like a lot of fans are looking forward to failure just to have an I told you moment then actually being excited about football.

I believe Dak will have his fair share of 3-4 td passing with a couple rushing td games, and will still have those fans waiting up till the 2min warning of the 4th QTR, for dak to throw that INT just to get their fix.

So I want to know right now. What makes Dak(who has 2 winning seasons under his belt, no matter how you want to spin that 2nd season) any different from the other slew of crappy *** players who have received nothing but slaps in the wrist from fans over the years?

I can go back to the end of the aikman era for a proper begining and don't remember one player that got this kind of treatment.

I for one won't accept the Dak got exposed excuse any longer. And the he isn't Romo excuse is damn near laughable because we all know how that goes.

Well said.

 

[jday]

I have been a fan for a really really REALLY long time. I have seen some of the best and worse come and go.

I have also been on many forums going as far back as the old ESPN forums of the late 90's early 2000's.

I have never, and I mean never witnessed the trashing of any terrible players I can remember years back the way Dak has received as of late.

And we are talking about not only a guy who had a great 1st season but a guy that TECHNICALLY still had a second winning season(9 wins) despite zekes suspension, bad coaching and getting killed because of oline injuries.

I believe most made Romo the exception and fans turned the other cheek on romos flaws for so many years, and the man is damn near a home town hero without having contributed to a single piece of hardware.

We now dak can throw the ball, we seen amazing accuracy and down field passing in 16. We know he can win without a star wideout, he did it without an injured Dez. And we know he can hold his own without an oline and decent RB, he scrapped together 9 wins last year, cassell and weeden would have never even made it close to 9 in the same situation.

The guy took an *** whipping last year and the coaches refused to help him or make adjustments and a lot of you leaned on the "exposed" instead of seeing the real problem or the WHOLE picture.

This fan base is turning weird. It seems more like a lot of fans are looking forward to failure just to have an I told you moment then actually being excited about football.

I believe Dak will have his fair share of 3-4 td passing with a couple rushing td games, and will still have those fans waiting up till the 2min warning of the 4th QTR, for dak to throw that INT just to get their fix.

So I want to know right now. What makes Dak(who has 2 winning seasons under his belt, no matter how you want to spin that 2nd season) any different from the other slew of crappy *** players who have received nothing but slaps in the wrist from fans over the years?

I can go back to the end of the aikman era for a proper begining and don't remember one player that got this kind of treatment.

I for one won't accept the Dak got exposed excuse any longer. And the he isn't Romo excuse is damn near laughable because we all know how that goes.

It's an interesting question. In the late 90's / early 2000's, the Cowboys sucked and had zero talent, so I'd imagine the lack of complaint regarding one player may have been due to the fact that fans didn't need to single-out anyone; they could use a paint roller for the whole team. Those teams consisted of great examples of poor talent evaluation and/or veteran players that were great at one time but the game had clearly passed them by.

But to your point: To fill time without football, I recently watched the NFL films Story of 92, 93 and A Football Life with Troy Aikman. His first 3 seasons by today's standards were bench-worthy. Having the first three seasons he had, fans would be clamoring for the team to draft another QB. And interestingly enough, that's exactly what Jimmy Johnson did with the acquisition of Steve Walsh (his former QB at Miami that won him a National Championship, incidentally); though, later Jimmy said from the very beginning the plan was to use Walsh as trade-bait...who knows the truth of that?!?!

Anywho, the point is, as far as the most important position on the field is concerned, little has changed from the early 90's. It still takes time to adjust to this game and QB is still by far the hardest position simply because he has to know everyone's job as well as his own. I wouldn't necessarily say that Dak will get better; that truly depends on him. But based on what I've seen from him so far, I would not bet against him.

 

[LittleD]

In his first 2 years?????

Cute statement but completely wrong.

Over the course of his career, yes sure.

Multiply the bull crap hate Dak has received over the course of his first 2 years out over a 10 year career and it would completely eclipse anything Tony dealt with.

Funny thing is... Our helter skelter fan base didn't give Dak much grief in his 1st year. They couldn't. His improbable performance in his 1st year kept them at bay.

That second year though..... The gates of hell opened.

Sad

PS... Romo replaced the unpopular Drew Bleedslow and everyone wanted that to happen when it did... I distinctively recall an extended honeymoon phase with Romo.

This is fun.

You are living in the past my friend. Defenses have figured out the Dak gameplay and now have him figured how to play him. Our inept coaching staff has no answers for putting Dak in the best position to succeed. I hope I'm wrong but, he better improve at a rapid rate or this team will be lucky to win 8 games this season for sure.

 

[PUSHfold]

I wonder sometimes what a healthy Romo could have accomplished with Dak's 2016 o'line and Zeke at RB. Romo caught a ton of crap, and some of it was deserved, but Jerry failed to build a competent team around him for his entire career.

This is nonsense to say he never had a competent team...he had a few teams which were capable of winning it all they just didn't for whatever reason. One of Romo's best shots to win a ship was when HE HIMSELF muffed the football and tried diving into the end zone. Little did we know at the time that this one play would epitomize Romo's entire career.

 

[SoupcanSam]

Again, I'm speaking on a quantitative comparison. "First two years starting".

You're talking things about Romo that we all felt "over the years".

No one (including Romo) has suffered more unfair criticism over the course of his 1st two years starting in Dallas than Dak.

Fact.

Yep the bold is mostly what I was referring to also. There is no player I can remember since the end of the aikman era till now that has received more negativity than dak the 1st two years.

That is unusual and I believe a lot of fans have more personal thoughts about dak. But they will always say he got exposed, bust, he doesn't have it etc.

Its the guy 3rd year and it was his 2nd last year, what are they talking about!?!. Before young QB's started busting onto the scenes and being successful in today's nfl they were known to sit on the bench or have a 4-5 year window to develop even if they started.

These guys are claiming dak doesn't have it this early is just plain stupid. In fact I remember fans giving Romo the 4-5 year window excuse and even when he dogged it got a pass.

Dak is being approached as if he has already been in the league for 7 or more years and has been choking it.

They are giving the guy the jay Cutler treatment in year 2 and 3. Smh!

 

[JustChip]

This incessant whining is growing tiring, especially when you refuse to even try to understand the cynicism about Dak.

We all like Dak. This is simply a question of professional arm talent and mental acuity at this level, of which he demonstrates very little of to date. So far, he's inaccurate, indecisive, and mentally not ready to run an NFL offense. That's why they're implementing a more more college-oriented offense this season. In time, he'll gain a better understanding, but time will not heal inaccuracy.

Outside of Dallas, nobody is oohing and aahing over Dak. Nobody. He is not feared by anyone. The league has quite comfortably figured him out. If the NFL held a QB re-draft right now of every quarterback, he wouldn't make the top 25. NOT ONE TEAM IN THE NFC WOULD TRADE QUARTERBACKS WITH DALLAS FOR THIS SEASON EXCEPT FOR TAMPA.

Fortunately for Dak, he has the best running game in the league to carry the water, so he can look pretty good at times. The problem is, good defenses can get him to 3rd and long enough that he simply can't convert with any regularity.

Dallas struggles to score touchdowns regularly. That's because Dak can't convert 3rd downs when he's asked to stand in the pocket and read zone coverages. He checks down behind the sticks, and hopes for broken tackles.

Can this change? Sure. But when I see the ducks that leave his hands, it brings pause. Until I see otherwise, that's just where we are.

How loud and hard you shake your pom-poms won't make a lick of difference.

Fair and balanced cynicism (I prefer to say critique) about Dak or any other player or facet of the team is fine, even healthy. However, your post really isn't that. You're stating opinion as fact. Case in point "If the NFL held a QB re-draft right now of every quarterback, he wouldn't make the top 25" which is purely opinion. You have no way of knowing that. I've not seen any recent 2016 redraft, but the last one I've seen, which as post 2016 season, had him going #2 overall. Granted, that was after his phenomenal season, but I'd venture to say even after 2017, there is a reasonable chance he would go in the top 25 in any 2016 redraft.

Second, you again have no way to prove the assertion that no team in the in the NFC would trade QBs with Dallas right now. That might be true purely based on the youth factor, i.e., the 2018 draftees having 2 more years of service, but I could see a team like Arizona making the trade. And Minnesota prior to signing Cousins would've slobbered over themselves for Dak.

I've never understood this belief that the "league has quite comfortably figured him out." So it took the highest professionals a year and a half of studying him to figure him out and suddenly, after 25 games the light went on and they figured him out between games 8 and 9 last year? Does that even seem logical?

Look, I don't know ultimately what Dak will become. He has done some good things and some no so. The last half of 2017 was forgettable. He didn't handle the pressure well, but he's not alone in that. I've always said that, even if it cost you a 15 yard penalty, hit Eli early and very hard, not to injure, but to get into his head. He operated with happy feet and went down quickly if he had early pressure.

 

[Bleu Star]

You are living in the past my friend. Defenses have figured out the Dak gameplay and now have him figured how to play him. Our inept coaching staff has no answers for putting Dak in the best position to succeed. I hope I'm wrong but, he better improve at a rapid rate or this team will be lucky to win 8 games this season for sure.

Whoa.

The classic "I hope I'm wrong" angle... Lord knows we've seen plenty of those fluffers since Dak became our QB. I take them with a grain of salt my fellow fan friend.

 

[erod]

Fair and balanced cynicism (I prefer to say critique) about Dak or any other player or facet of the team is fine, even healthy. However, your post really isn't that. You're stating opinion as fact. Case in point "If the NFL held a QB re-draft right now of every quarterback, he wouldn't make the top 25" which is purely opinion. You have no way of knowing that. I've not seen any recent 2016 redraft, but the last one I've seen, which as post 2016 season, had him going #2 overall. Granted, that was after his phenomenal season, but I'd venture to say even after 2017, there is a reasonable chance he would go in the top 25 in any 2016 redraft.

Second, you again have no way to prove the assertion that no team in the in the NFC would trade QBs with Dallas right now. That might be true purely based on the youth factor, i.e., the 2018 draftees having 2 more years of service, but I could see a team like Arizona making the trade. And Minnesota prior to signing Cousins would've slobbered over themselves for Dak.

I've never understood this belief that the "league has quite comfortably figured him out." So it took the highest professionals a year and a half of studying him to figure him out and suddenly, after 25 games the light went on and they figured him out between games 8 and 9 last year? Does that even seem logical?

Look, I don't know ultimately what Dak will become. He has done some good things and some no so. The last half of 2017 was forgettable. He didn't handle the pressure well, but he's not alone in that. I've always said that, even if it cost you a 15 yard penalty, hit Eli early and very hard, not to injure, but to get into his head. He operated with happy feet and went down quickly if he had early pressure.

Arizona is not trading you Rosen. Bridgewater is just Dak with less size.

Go through the league and be objective. You have to realize, the league doesn't have a great opinion of Dak right now. Not by a long shot.

They're in a wait-and-see mode on Dak, just like anyone objective should be.

I'm rooting like hell for him because it would make the future so much less cloudy for Dallas from a personnel acquisition standpoint. But I've got to see a lot better than what I've seen so far, and his arm issues are glaring.

 

[Doomsday101]

You are living in the past my friend. Defenses have figured out the Dak gameplay and now have him figured how to play him. Our inept coaching staff has no answers for putting Dak in the best position to succeed. I hope I'm wrong but, he better improve at a rapid rate or this team will be lucky to win 8 games this season for sure.

They figured him out? Evidently some teams figured him out better than others. Currently he is 22-10 in his starts I think that is a fairly good start for any young QB. I don't see any reason why his game will not improve.

 

[DallasEast]

I love how the years Romo spent learning on the bench don't count. Had Dak been afforded that luxury we'd still be awaiting his first NFL snap, so he's got a head start on Romo in the "crap" department.

Dak's playoff sin was throwing for 300 yards and 3 TDs on a day the defense decided not to show up until halftime, before folding like a cheap suit (again) in the game's final seconds.

Why would a backup, who has never been a starter or gotten significant playing time, receive criticism? I mean to say, what would be the basis of the criticism? Should backup players be evaluated to the same degree as starters?

 

[Bleu Star]

Yep the bold is mostly what I was referring to also. There is no player I can remember since the end of the aikman era till now that has received more negativity than dak the 1st two years.

That is unusual and I believe a lot of fans have more personal thoughts about dak. But they will always say he got exposed, bust, he doesn't have it etc.

Its the guy 3rd year and it was his 2nd last year, what are they talking about!?!. Before young QB's started busting onto the scenes and being successful in today's nfl they were known to sit on the bench or have a 4-5 year window to develop even if they started.

These guys are claiming dak doesn't have it this early is just plain stupid. In fact I remember fans giving Romo the 4-5 year window excuse and even when he dogged it got a pass.

Dak is being approached as if he has already been in the league for 7 or more years and has been choking it.

They are giving the guy the jay Cutler treatment in year 2 and 3. Smh!

They know it's unfair. They just won't admit it. I've seen this all before. As a matter of fact, I saw the exact same thing 95 days ago.

 

[Blackspider214]

This forum is as bad as all the other mouth breathers on social media when it comes to Dak. If you never watched Dak and just read social media and this forum, you would think he was one of the worst QBs ever. It's ridiculous.

Dak gets trashed for a down year with got us 9 wins. Yet the golden boy Romo got praise and excuses for three straight 8 win seasons.

 

[Melonfeud]

The Romonians will keep sniping, don't you worry. They are like imbedded communists, going on do-nothing raids, PR rants and constant drive-bys.
The Romonians wont be happy till Dak is on IR or having a bad stretch.
We're ready for you, Romonians. Now go back to your fond memories of 2-4 in the playoffs!

You can't honestly believe yer' own posted drivel thats carelessly been splatter textured up on the castle walls in such a haphazardly divisive manner do you?0h silverhaired sot of farmers branch shame,,,