Something on the Vick Indictment Just Dawned on Me

[ABQCOWBOY]

If you read the federal indictment carefully, you'll see that in the end, "dogfighting" isn't what he's ultimately being indicted for. There's a specific reason for this; He's facing 3 years and $250,000 per dog under Virginia law, various reports have put the numbers at around 70 dogs so he's facing over 200 years on the state level if and when the locals decide to go after him.

If it's RICO, it's 20 years for each count.

 

[jman]

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Originally Posted by Bob Sacamano
Mike sold him out 1st

Yes he did...

I guarantee you he is one of the unnamed witnesses...

And didn't this whole thing start with a drug warrent for cuz in the first place...?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

And didn't this whole thing start with a drug warrent for cuz in the first place...?

No, as I understand it, Boddie was busted for Drugs. When he was busted, he gave the Vick address as his residency. The Va. Commenwealth then issued a Search Warrent. When the local law showed up, they discovered the Dog Fighting equipment. They then called in the EPA folks (I believe) to investigate it. That automatically red flagged the ATF guys who had already been conducting an on-going investigation of Vick and his residence in Va.

I believe that's roughly correct.

 

[trickblue]

one speculation said he could get around 6 years for it, out in 3. if he does any jail time will any NFL team want him?

Then they need to do their homework...

There is NO PAROLE from Federal Prison...

Many of these morons are treating this like a state case. It's not, and the rules are different. The Feds don't mess around.

If Vick gets six years, he will be released six years from the date he was incarcerated; not a day sooner (unless they change the law).

 

[iceberg]

He could say it until he turns blue but I don't believe proscuting team believes him and have evidence of otherwise. I certainly don't believe him.


Or he could deal with proscutor for less time. But even so, I'm not so sure any team would want him because he'll come with lot of baggage. There will be tremenous outcry from those who loves dogs and constant negative publicity is going to hurt a team.

they talked about his being able to "deal" for a lesser sentence. what does he have to give? if he's the top dog and any info from him would only be used against him, what can he offer that would make them want to lessen the blow?

other than a full confession i can't see much.

 

[03EBZ06]

they talked about his being able to "deal" for a lesser sentence. what does he have to give? if he's the top dog and any info from him would only be used against him, what can he offer that would make them want to lessen the blow?

other than a full confession i can't see much.

If plea bargain then he would be saving tax payer's money so he has that going for him.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

they talked about his being able to "deal" for a lesser sentence. what does he have to give? if he's the top dog and any info from him would only be used against him, what can he offer that would make them want to lessen the blow?

other than a full confession i can't see much.

If the gambling were linked to organized crime, that would be something they might consider. If he had info on a significant Drug distribution outfit, that might work. Something nobody has mentioned is steroids or the use of HGH. If he talked about usage in the NFL, that might be something high profile enough to get him some consideration. That would be very interesting.

 

[fortdick]

I'm not certain if the 6 years is accurate. I was wondering this myself and maybe some of our Legal folks could shed light. Is this 6 years for every count? If I'm not mistaken, he has been indicted for 10 counts. Is it 6 for every count? Are they served consecutively if found guilty or can you do them all at the same time?

If there are multiple convictions, sentences will surely be run concurrent with the mist serious. He is a first time offender. Consecutive sentences are really uncommon.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If there are multiple convictions, sentences will surely be run concurrent with the mist serious. He is a first time offender. Consecutive sentences are really uncommon.

So, if he gets nailed on the Federal gig, what happens in the case of getting convicted on State Charges as well? Does he do those as time served or are they tacked on after he serves his Six (assuming he gets convicted) for the Federal Conviction?

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Then they need to do their homework...

There is NO PAROLE from Federal Prison...

Many of these morons are treating this like a state case. It's not, and the rules are different. The Feds don't mess around.

If Vick gets six years, he will be released six years from the date he was incarcerated; not a day sooner (unless they change the law).

Actually if you get a ten year Federal sentence you would likely be released in 8 and a half. Its about an 85% sentence.

So, if he gets nailed on the Federal gig, what happens in the case of getting convicted on State Charges as well? Does he do those as time served or are they tacked on after he serves his Six (assuming he gets convicted) for the Federal Conviction?

Depends on how the state wants to deal with it. Most times they let people run concurrent with a Federal sentence, not tacked on. But from time to time the state wants their time too.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Actually if you get a ten year Federal sentence you would likely be released in 8 and a half. Its about an 85% sentence.




Depends on how the state wants to deal with it. Most times they let people run concurrent with a Federal sentence, not tacked on. But from time to time the state wants their time too.

Not the way I hear it. No parrol on a Federal stretch is how I hear it. I could be wrong. I have zero experience with it, personally.

 

[Doomsday101]

Not the way I hear it. No parrol on a Federal stretch is how I hear it. I could be wrong. I have zero experience with it, personally.

Fed time is straight time there is no 3 for 1 good time or 4-1 good time as it is in the state facilities

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Not the way I hear it. No parrol on a Federal stretch is how I hear it. I could be wrong. I have zero experience with it, personally.

Thankfully I don't either. But from what I recall there is no parole...

Fed time is straight time there is no 3 for 1 good time or 4-1 good time as it is in the state facilities

...but there is credit for good behavior/working or other stuff.

Still I could be wrong. But I know I read somewhere that 85% is typically the time served.

 

[peplaw06]

Actually if you get a ten year Federal sentence you would likely be released in 8 and a half. Its about an 85% sentence.

With Mandatory Minimum Sentencing parole was abolished. But you can still get early release for good time. 85% of the sentence is the MINIMUM someone has to serve, that's if you behave yourself.

Many courts require you to serve ALL of it, and that's the trend, especially if you're a drug offender.

 

[Doomsday101]

Thankfully I don't either. But from what I recall there is no parole...



...but their is credit for good behavior/working or other stuff.

Still I could be wrong. But I know I read somewhere that 85% is typically the time served.

There is an organization looking to change the Fed prison system and allow parole to take place for non-violent crimes but it is not in effect as of yet and there is a good chance it will not change. Currently if you get 10 year you serve 10 years. Myself I think that is how it should be, you do the crime you do the time

 

[SkinsandTerps]

With Mandatory Minimum Sentencing parole was abolished. But you can still get early release for good time. 85% of the sentence is the MINIMUM someone has to serve, that's if you behave yourself.

Many courts require you to serve ALL of it, and that's the trend, especially if you're a drug offender.

That's what I thought. Thanks.

There is an organization looking to change the Fed prison system and allow parole to take place for non-violent crimes but it is not in effect as of yet and there is a good chance it will not change. Currently if you get 10 year you serve 10 years. Myself I think that is how it should be, you do the crime you do the time

:bang2:

Which is it ?

Although I will say that some criminals don't need to serve the entire sentence. IMO. Depends on the crime, the circumstances, etc.

 

[Doomsday101]

That's what I thought. Thanks.



:bang2:

Which is it ?

Although I will say that some criminals don't need to serve the entire sentence. IMO. Depends on the crime, the circumstances, etc.

This is from a group looking to change the current system:
The prisoners aren't being paroled because The Federal system no longer has Parole since Congress abolished Federal Parole in the mid 1980’s and passed harsh sentencing laws. However, State prisons still offer parole to state prisoners

As for it depends, as I said the criminal should have thought about what he was doing it before he did it.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

This is from a group looking to change the current system:
The prisoners aren't being paroled because The Federal system no longer has Parole since Congress abolished Federal Parole in the mid 1980’s and passed harsh sentencing laws. However, State prisons still offer parole to state prisoners

You can get out of jail early without having parole currently though.

 

[Doomsday101]

You can get out of jail early without having parole currently though.

peplaw06 says that you can and he very well could be right. I did know that there was no parole system in place at the federal level. If Vick is found guilty I hope he serves the time handed down.