Sometimes the best signings are the ones you do not make

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TwentyOne said:
And EVERYTIME the best signings are those who get you over the top and let you win a championship.

Of course you can be satisfied with what we do too.
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I'd like for us to be more active in some capacities, but I can understand why they might be apprehensive based on these players and how Earl Thomas has fared.
 
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RustyBourneHorse said:
I'd like for us to be more active in some capacities, but I can understand why they might be apprehensive based on these players and how Earl Thomas has fared.
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That wasnt my point.

First of all the signings they made werent very successfull.
The ones they didnt make wasnt because they didnt want them. It was because players didnt want to come here (Gregory, OBJ ...). It is not that the Dallas Cowboys is a place you want to be as a player who is interessted in success in his sport.

The moves we make are more of kneejerk reactions than long planned moves. Of course everybody can get lucky as we did here or there. But that will never be a successful way to win something meaningful.

Like JJ wants to sell us for years now that he always was someone who has taken risks. Well that is rubbish. You wont be successful by taking risk: That is the definition of "risk". A risk is something that likely will fail if you are trying to achieve it. So you may have success if you take a risk once. But that is pure luck and not knowledge. If you take risk after risk after risk you will fail and not be successful.
But if you are sucessful (like JJ is) that is because you made good decissions. And good decissions are the ones that minimize risks.

SJ and JJ dont do a good job. Not even an average job. They both are very bad at what they are trying to do. Dont get blinded by stuff that happens out of luck. And dont judge mediocrety as success (as our FO wants to sell us).
 
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The Collins and OBJ were no brainers, didn't take a football expert to stay away from those. Even I would have done that sitting on my couch. The Jones' were saved by Gregory declining to sign the extension offered, so I wouldn't credit them for that one. They were about to throw a whole lot of money at him. I will give the FO credit when its due....but not on these cases.
 
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Jake said:
I hope they activate Anthony Rush this week. He's huge (6'5", 350 pounds), but apparently not very good since he's bounced around. Still, I want to see him.
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I don't expect much from him, but maybe we can roll him into the A Gap against that Philly QB sneak if we play them again...
 
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TwentyOne said:
That wasnt my point.

First of all the signings they made werent very successfull.
The ones they didnt make wasnt because they didnt want them. It was because players didnt want to come here (Gregory, OBJ ...). It is not that the Dallas Cowboys is a place you want to be as a player who is interessted in success in his sport.

The moves we make are more of kneejerk reactions than long planned moves. Of course everybody can get lucky as we did here or there. But that will never be a successful way to win something meaningful.

Like JJ wants to sell us for years now that he always was someone who has taken risks. Well that is rubbish. You wont be successful by taking risk: That is the definition of "risk". A risk is something that likely will fail if you are trying to achieve it. So you may have success if you take a risk once. But that is pure luck and not knowledge. If you take risk after risk after risk you will fail and not be successful.
But if you are sucessful (like JJ is) that is because you made good decissions. And good decissions are the ones that minimize risks.

SJ and JJ dont do a good job. Not even an average job. They both are very bad at what they are trying to do. Dont get blinded by stuff that happens out of luck. And dont judge mediocrety as success (as our FO wants to sell us).
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Yes, and there are many occasions in which the criticism is warranted. However, it certainly seemed that OBJ and Earl Thomas wanted to come here. They ended up being good nonsignings. I understand your point, and yes, a lot of the time, it is correct. However, I think that they do have a better understanding of what they're doing than we give them credit. I've made my criticisms very well known. However, at the same time, when I think they've done something correctly, I will make that known too. I'm not one to withhold credit when it's due, but I will also critique moves when I see it as warranted.
 
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Suh and Joseph, are just depth for any team, not playmakers. The Eagles signed them a few weeks back until then all 32 teams passed on them. If Dallas had signed them who gets cut, Watkins, Gallimore, Bohanna, Odiggy. Then people will gloss over Anthony Barr, who thinks he is either in his prime or just takes terrible angles. Hankins I could get on board with they thought he was worth some late round throw away pick but he got hurt. Using hindsight to justify your position and glossing over the mediocre signings that you were all on board for is dishonest at best.
 
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TequilaCowboy said:
The Collins and OBJ were no brainers, didn't take a football expert to stay away from those. Even I would have done that sitting on my couch. The Jones' were saved by Gregory declining to sign the extension offered, so I wouldn't credit them for that one. They were about to throw a whole lot of money at him. I will give the FO credit when its due....but not on these cases.
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Yes you credit that RG was upset over the clause the FO held onto the clause and dug in knowing RG would most likely baulk at it.. they putting that clause in and wouldn't remove it ,was what blew up the deal and that was smart..give that a rest.
 
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Collins is out for the year for the Bengals, ACL or an Achilles, can't remember right now. Tore it against NE last week.
Both he and Steele are out. But it was still the right move to make at the time to let him walk. And we will get a 4th round comp pick as well.

Gregory was ... as Jerry would say ... Serendipity ... We gained 3 players by that lucky debacle.
Signed Fowler, and re-signed Armstrong, and drafted Sam Williams.

Von Miller was just too much $$$ there was no way he was going to come here, and I am glad he didn't. He is out for the year as well. But for the right money, yeah, sign him, but not for what he got.

Wagner, another player I glad did not come here, but I also would have been ok with him also. He thought the Rams was a better place to get to the SB. But he got his $$$ also.

As for Suh and Joseph, it was hit or miss for me. Could they help, or would they be another Poe. I don't think they are helping the Eagles all that much.

Hankins was good trade and pick up, but have we seen his true impact yet? Too bad he got injured, but he will be back and much needed for the playoffs.

OBJ, I was ok either way signed or not, but was leaning more toward not. But now with Hilton. We are fine.
 
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RustyBourneHorse said:
There are many occasions where people, including myself, will get on the FO for being very quiet in FA. Sometimes, we, myself included, will think that the FO isn't interested. Sometimes, it seems warranted, however, some marquee moves that we wanted turned out to be good nonsignings. Thus, it's a good reminder that sometimes, the best signings are the ones that you do not make. Take the cases of Randy Gregory, Lael Collins, and OBJ (so far).

  • In the case of Randy Gregory, this was a player that it was desired that he stay. However, he decided to go to Denver when the suspension clause was entered into his contract. This caused an uproar. However, when you look at his stats (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GregRa00.htm), you will see that he's only played in 6 games through 15 games so far. He recorded one sack against Houston and one against the 49ers. Since then, he's been very quiet. Additionally, his tackle numbers have been very quiet leaving a lot to be desired. To make matters worse, he received a suspension following an altercation with the Rams following the conclusion of the game (https://www.nfl.com/news/broncos-ra...ushi-suspended-one-game-for-roles-in-postgame) for one week. Thus, he's not been reliable for Denver in terms of being on the field. Considering what he is being paid, this is a flop. Don't forget, he's on Denver's strength, which is the D. All in all, I'm glad the FO did not sign him.
  • Lael Collins was our RT up until going into this season when he moved on to the Bengals. So far this season, I'm not impressed by what he's done with Cincinnati, and, when healthy, Steele has been a fantastic replacement. In the meantime, we've also done well with Tyron Smith coming back. Well done to the FO here.
  • Finally, we come to OBJ. This is a player that Jerry would've signed years ago because of the flash and the name. Instead, so far, he's opted out of OBJ, and went with Hilton. Hilton saved the game against Philly, and he's providing a leadership to our WRs and experience that is beneficial, compared to what OBJ likely would provide. This was another excellent move by Jerry.
There are more examples of good moves made by the FO, especially in regards to those that they didn't sign this season. These are just 3 massive examples where they were pressured into making moves and found that they made the correct decisions in not signing these players.
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I was vocal that Gregory, Cooper, and Collins had to go. None of those three are fully committed to the game. Good riddance.

OBJ isn't either, but unfortunately, he's probably going to end up here.
 
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blueblood70 said:
Yes you credit that RG was upset over the clause the FO held onto the clause and dug in knowing RG would most likely baulk at it.. they putting that clause in and wouldn't remove it ,was what blew up the deal and that was smart..give that a rest.
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Exactly, and RG had history with suspensions. So, it's only natural that the FO would seek to protect themselves if he got suspended again.
 
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Bagman said:
This team right now should have Hankins, Suh AND Joseph all under contract as DTs. The single biggest reason Dallas struggles in the playoffs is teams like Philly and San Fran bully their DLine. Adding the other two guys ( both wound up in Philly) would have completed our tough team makeover. Front office is clueless to this fact. Sometimes you have to choose football over salary cap.
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Absolutely. We still don't value the DT position. We cheap out every single year. We prefer quantity over quality here. A bunch of JAGs we rotate in and out. But none of them make a difference. Go look at all our playoff losses. We get demolished in the trenches and they dominate. Especially the Niners and Rams losses. Ran all over us. All starts in the middle. We get no push.
 
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