Sort of off topic: about Troy Aikman

[rcaldw]

All players are products of their supporting cast, as well as their coaches. It's a team game.

For example, Herschel Walker would probably be in the HOF if Minnesota would have run him out of the I formation, instead of the split backfield. Walker was more of a downhill runner. He did not have the lateral moves that it takes to be effective out of that formation consistently. He did not become a terrible player after leaving Dallas, he just was not a good fit for that scheme.



Where did I say he had to have HOF people around him? My point was that his performance suffered, like any QB would, when he did not have good people around him.

Again, I say we are making the same point.




Here is my original statement. You took that one line at the end of the post and just forgot about the rest.

But I hope that clears up what I think of Aikman.

You are right, I didn't give emphasis to your point that Aikman was great. That is my mistake.

I still wonder if you are missing a pretty important point. Football is a team sport, yes. Even great players need other players around them to achieve their potential. yes. BUT ALL PLAYERS ARE NOT GREAT PLAYERS To me you make it sound like that every player turns out to be the sum total of what he has around him. I say no to that.

I am saying that Troy Aikman was a great player in his own individual right. And I'm saying that the vast majority of QB's were not, and would never have been his equal. That is why he was the #1 draft pick in the NFL draft. That is why he was able to do what he did in his NFL career.

Without help? Of course not. But did he make the players around him, and the team he played for better. Absolutely.

And how many of these guys does a franchise get? Not many. From my vantage point we have had 2. Staubach and Aikman. Maybe one day we could add Romo, but certainly not now.

 

[rcaldw]

I don't know Jay cee. After re-reading everything, maybe we are saying the same thing, you just would put them:

1. Staubach
2. Aikman

I think I would put them

1. Aikman
2. Roger

Even though Roger was my first favorite player.

 

[jay cee]

You are right, I didn't give emphasis to your point that Aikman was great. That is my mistake.

I still wonder if you are missing a pretty important point. Football is a team sport, yes. Even great players need other players around them to achieve their potential. yes. BUT ALL PLAYERS ARE NOT GREAT PLAYERS To me you make it sound like that every player turns out to be the sum total of what he has around him. I say no to that.

I am saying that Troy Aikman was a great player in his own individual right. And I'm saying that the vast majority of QB's were not, and would never have been his equal. That is why he was the #1 draft pick in the NFL draft. That is why he was able to do what he did in his NFL career.

Without help? Of course not. But did he make the players around him, and the team he played for better. Absolutely.

And how many of these guys does a franchise get? Not many. From my vantage point we have had 2. Staubach and Aikman. Maybe one day we could add Romo, but certainly not now.

You said he was great and I said he was great, so what point am I missing?
I never said all players are great or they are all the Sum total of what he has around him.

My original point was that for Romo to even have the chance to reach the level of an Aikman or Staubach, he would need for his Coaches and teammates to really step up their game.

I just don't see where there is a disagreement.

 

[rcaldw]

You said he was great and I said he was great, so what point am I missing?
I never said all players are great or they are all the Sum total of what he has around him.

My original point was that for Romo to even have the chance to reach the level of an Aikman or Staubach, he would need for his Coaches and teammates to really step up their game.

I just don't see where there is a disagreement.

Like I said, when I re-read it, I agree with you.

 

[jay cee]

Like I said, when I re-read it, I agree with you.

Yeah I just saw that when I finished my last post.

I wore you down huh?

 

[rcaldw]

Yeah I just saw that when I finished my last post.

I wore you down huh?

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