Speculation: Brady Quinn possibly ineligible for 2006?!?!

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TruBlueCowboy said:
I find it really hard to belive that with so many fans on this board who think Weis is such a great coach -- enough so that a majority want him to replace Bill Parcells -- that they would think he'd be stupid enough to do this.

He's new to the NCAA. Given, he should have done his homework, but I can at least begin to understand how something like this could come to pass, and I certainly don't see this as any kind of determining factor in deciding whether or not you think he could take the helm at the NFL level.
 

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StanleySpadowski said:
I have a hard time believing there are so many stupid people on this planet sometimes. It's nice to know many people share the same beliefs as Klansmen in their unadulterated hatred for a Catholic University.....They wouldn't be where they are if not for special treatment....sound familiar?

From a financial standpoint, Notre Dame's football independence hurts the NCAA as a whole. ND eliminates one network (NBC) from entering the bidding wars for broadcast rights, keeping those rights lower, so could someone explain to me who benefits by giving ND "special treatment"? Especially considering the NCAA is a group of member institutions and typically only five of them get a home ND game every year and most of those have no trouble selling out even when ND isn't in town.
If Notre Dames independence hurts the NCAA so much then why doesn't the NCAA tell Notre Dame to give up their personal TV network and join a conference or give up the chance at the BCS Championship?
 

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this means both Weis and Quinn will be available for the taking!!

our wet dreams have come true!!

WHOOPEE!!

YEEHAW!!

SHAKALAKA...BOOOM!!

YEAH BABY YEAH!!

OH YEAH!!
 

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I love it, someone who likes Notre Dame complaining about another team's patsy schedule.

Let's see, I'm sure the Domers will be scheduling the mighty Boston College, Navy, Stanford, Michigan State, Purdue, Rutgers, South Bend Typing School, Brigham Young next season AGAIN.
 

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i hate ND so I hope this is true but Seriously Charlie Weis cannot be this stupid can he???????????? He has won a bunch in his career as a coach whether as an O-coordinator or as head coach of ND so i'm going to assume he isn't. If it were true what would Brady Quinn do??? Can he still join the supp. draft???
 

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Considering that ND has traditionally been near top 10 in toughest schedules over the last 20 years, the canuck once again has been drinking too much.
 

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Remember where this whole BS started. The most worthless rag around next to the national enquirer. BY the way no one at ESPN, CNN/SI, CBS Sportsline, etc is mentioning this at all. The turd is stinking it up once again.
 

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Glenn Carano said:
For example?

Never seen ND in Bowl Games they had no business being in?

When other teams were FAR more deserving.
 

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Far more deserving? Really. Show examples. Remember- bowls want teams that draw TV ratings and bring lots of fans. Its up to THEM to invite who they want.
 

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StanleySpadowski said:
I have a hard time believing there are so many stupid people on this planet sometimes. It's nice to know many people share the same beliefs as Klansmen in their unadulterated hatred for a Catholic University.....They wouldn't be where they are if not for special treatment....sound familiar?

You do know that just because someone does not like, or even hates ND, it does not mean they are Klansman or something as idiotic as that, and to even suggest it looks very poor on your part.
 

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burmafrd said:
Far more deserving? Really. Show examples. Remember- bowls want teams that draw TV ratings and bring lots of fans. Its up to THEM to invite who they want.

Do you even question that they have went to bowl games that other teams should have been invited to based on record? Do you really question that?
 

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I pointed out WHY bowls invite the teams they do. Also more deserving maybe in YOUR eyes does not make it true.
 

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BrAinPaiNt said:
You do know that just because someone does not like, or even hates ND, it does not mean they are Klansman or something as idiotic as that, and to even suggest it looks very poor on your part.

And to suggest that history has no bearing on the present is being short-sighted.

The fact that ND football evokes such passionate hatred can be traced all the way back their emergence on the national scene. Their biggest supporters were mostly poor Irish and Italian Catholics. The fact that those groups were also targeted by the last major Klan resurgence occuring during the same time frame isn't merely a coincidence.



I'm not saying that racism is the dominant reason for today's hatred, but even you can't deny that there is a residual effect still out there.
 

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burmafrd said:
I pointed out WHY bowls invite the teams they do. Also more deserving maybe in YOUR eyes does not make it true.


I know why some times go to bowl games because of attendance.

Seeing as I follow Marshall and they get invites due to that reason on occasion.

But if you honestly don't believe ND gets special treatment, than I will not carry on with the debate as it is circular.
 

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StanleySpadowski said:
And to suggest that history has no bearing on the present is being short-sighted.

The fact that ND football evokes such passionate hatred can be traced all the way back their emergence on the national scene. Their biggest supporters were mostly poor Irish and Italian Catholics. The fact that those groups were also targeted by the last major Klan resurgence occuring during the same time frame isn't merely a coincidence.



I'm not saying that racism is the dominant reason for today's hatred, but even you can't deny that there is a residual effect still out there.


Not in my case. I detest the Klan. Heck I can not stand a rep from my own state because he is a racist scum who was once a Klansman.

WVU got to a National Championship game in the Late 80's. Notre Dame beat them. End of story.

So how about taking your generalizations and tucking them away when it comes to people being Klansman just because they don't like Notre Dame.

I guess everyone hates the Dallas Cowboys because they are klansman or some other reason.

No many people hate ND because they were once such a dominant football program.
 

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jimmy40 said:
If Notre Dames independence hurts the NCAA so much then why doesn't the NCAA tell Notre Dame to give up their personal TV network and join a conference or give up the chance at the BCS Championship?
????????
 

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AllI asked for were examples- since you refuse to give any then your argument is baseless.
 

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burmafrd said:
AllI asked for were examples- since you refuse to give any then your argument is baseless.


And I think your arguments are baseless.

See...Circular.

I hate notre dame, you will not change this.

I take it you like notre dame, I will not change you.

Waste of time on both of our parts.
 

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burmafrd said:
AllI asked for were examples- since you refuse to give any then your argument is baseless.


There are plenty of concrete examples.

Remember when they got away with an obvious clip on Rocket Ismail's game winning punt return??

Oh. #$G%, nevermind.
 

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Notre Dame is defending the passer

Irish keep Quinn's eligibility safe

ERIC HANSEN
Tribune Staff Writer

It is part of Mike Karwoski's job to check out every whisper, every bit of innuendo, every rumor.

So he didn't laugh uncontrollably when a report from a Web site called profootballtalk.com crossed his desk recently.

He was too annoyed to laugh. And perhaps too nauseous as well.
"Typical freaking Internet," the Notre Dame associate athletic director in charge of compliance offered. "It's a joke."

The headline read "Weis, Irish flirting with disaster," and it went on to say:

A league source with intimate knowledge of the applicable NCAA regulations tells us that Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis might have rendered quarterback Brady Quinn and other incoming seniors ineligible if, as we previously have reported, Weis has directed seniors with designs on pro football to pick their agents before the start of the 2006 season.

"My sources in the NFL," Karwoski mocked. "Yeah, great, what sources? First of all your sources should be with the kid, with the agent and the university. We're the ones who know what's going on."

And perhaps the ones who would avoid a 56-word sentence and the term "incoming seniors."

In any event, what's going on is this: Weis and Karwoski have talked to Quinn, a senior who is expected to be the first pick in the 2007 NFL Draft, about narrowing down a list of potential agents this offseason, not deciding on one.

"They wanted to get rid of the riffraff, find out who the legitimate people were," Karwoski said. "I told them there is nothing in the rules that prevents you from sitting down and talking to an agent. You can also call the ones you're not interested in and tell them that, that they're not going to be part of any further discussions.

"If there's a group of four, five, 10 that pique their interest, I don't have a problem with the player saying, 'We're going to revisit this at the end of the season when my eligibility is done.' The only thing I cautioned them about was don't tell somebody, 'You're the guy.' You are prevented by NCAA rules from making a written or verbal agreement."

Players and their families are also prohibited from taking money from an agent while the player still has college eligibility.

Dave Slates, Quinn's uncle and one of the four people advising the quarterback, takes it a step further.

"We don't even allow the family to have a Coke bought for them from one of these guys," he said.

Slates, Quinn's parents (Robin and Ty) and another uncle, Scott Binder, met with 15 agents initially and narrowed the field to six. At that point, Quinn joined the process and the family has now weeded the list to "a few."

"Brady was getting text-messages, called and mailed information on a daily basis," Slates said. "I don't know how these guys get his cell number and stuff, but they do.

"What we've done is let the guys know who are still in the running that they are and let the guys who are no longer in the running who they are. And everybody knows not to contact Brady until January. And you know what? They've honored that. Now Brady can focus on football and we can move on with our lives, knowing we'll have a very abbreviated final process ahead of us."

Notre Dame does its part to button up the process by requiring agents to register with its compliance office. None of the communications are to be made to the players directly during the season, but rather to Karwoski, who passes on the information.

"Sure, there are agents who try to work around the system," Karwoski said. "But I tell our guys, 'I would question those agents and ask them why they're not working on the up and up.' "

Karwoski and his staff also hold informational meetings in the fall right before the season and in the spring before the players go home.

"I tell every kid, and I'm straight up with this, 'You know what the rules are,' " Karwoski said. " 'If I find out you did something, don't come to me to go to the NCAA to try to get your eligibility reinstated, because I won't. You know the rules, and that's it.' "

Slates, who also saw the profootballtalk.com article, credits Weis with the family knowing the rules backward and forward.

"The implication that Charlie would be unaware of the rules is just silly," Slates said. "Charlie is a very detail guy.

"In fact, our family is very thankful to Charlie for a number of reasons, not the least of which is Brady is probably in this position in large part because Charlie has arrived in South Bend. But with this agent stuff, he's gone above and beyond the call."

http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060627/NDSports02/606270460/-1/SPORTS/CAT=NDSports02
 
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