Speculation on Cowboys - Patriots Trade

[Alexander]

I'm not buying that one. I think after Parcells got a close up look at Carpenter and his skill set he realized that he was better suited for the inside and the move will stick. I think he also saw that Ellis (I know you hate Ellis but he is a very good player)

Sorry, I think it is a bit much to expect him to be a two down player the entire year and still have enough to contribute as a pass rushing 3rd down specialist, which is what he is best at. I firmly believe he will start the year certainly. But even McGinest was sharing time frequently. It is why he was so effective.

And if it isn't Carpenter splitting snaps, it will be Burnett. We have two younger and fresher linebackers, but we leave a player whose stamina typically runs out after midseason there in the stretch run? I doubt it.

 

[JackMagist]

Sorry, I think it is a bit much to expect him to be a two down player the entire year and still have enough to contribute as a pass rushing 3rd down specialist, which is what he is best at. I firmly believe he will start the year certainly. But even McGinest was sharing time frequently. It is why he was so effective.

And if it isn't Carpenter splitting snaps, it will be Burnett. We have two younger and fresher linebackers, but we leave a player whose stamina typically runs out after midseason there in the stretch run? I doubt it.

Now that I will buy...That Ellis will be splitting snaps later in the year with Burnett, Boiman or even Singleton. After he has played a couple of full games he may realize that 3 downs is more than he can handle there. But then again maybe he can handle it; he not THAT old. But I don't think Carpenter goes back outside in any case.

 

[DLCassidy]

Assuming McQuistan makes the roster, and that looks more likely by the day, we already have one more tackle on the roster than we can keep. And assuming Crayton's injury will allow him back around opening day the receiver talk is mostly just that, talk. Hurd is going to get every chance to make this club and that basically means catching the ball in the next two exhibitions and cleaning up his technique on pass catching- if he does that I think we're set at receiver.

All this stuff with NE is IMO strictly contingency plans. We are going to wait and see how Columbo, Fabini and Petitti do Monday first and maybe the week after. I realize Fabini has not had a great camp but I may be one of the few that hasn't written him off yet until I see him play myself against NO. IMO it's not a slam dunk that Brandon Gorin is an upgrade over Columbo or Fabini.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

I would love to see the Cowboys trade two players to get

Ryan O'Callaghan 6-7 360

and

Wesley Britt 6-7 380

Two solid offensive lineman.

 

[Angus]

I think Cassidy is on to something. If Fabini plays well Monday, he may stay at right tackle. Both Pettiti and Columbo will be ready to relieve the starters; Pettiti for Adams and Columbo for Fabrini -- until they show themselves superior.

 

[Alexander]

Assuming McQuistan makes the roster, and that looks more likely by the day, we already have one more tackle on the roster than we can keep. And assuming Crayton's injury will allow him back around opening day the receiver talk is mostly just that, talk. Hurd is going to get every chance to make this club and that basically means catching the ball in the next two exhibitions and cleaning up his technique on pass catching- if he does that I think we're set at receiver.

All this stuff with NE is IMO strictly contingency plans. We are going to wait and see how Columbo, Fabini and Petitti do Monday first and maybe the week after. I realize Fabini has not had a great camp but I may be one of the few that hasn't written him off yet until I see him play myself against NO. IMO it's not a slam dunk that Brandon Gorin is an upgrade over Columbo or Fabini.

That's why we are waiting. But I suspect come Tuesday, we will be making moves. More than likely, Coach Parcells has already made up his mind and unless something amazing occurs Monday, we will be looking for OT depth and a veteran WR. Besides, we have players that have value. He has said it over and over.

What Fabini and Hurd do Monday might affect what we look for in exchange, but I doubt we just hang onto players with value just to cut them. It just might mean we don't swap for players.

 

[fortdick]

Romo for Brady. Straight up.

We should get a draft pick too.

 

[kmd24]

I think Cassidy is on to something. If Fabini plays well Monday, he may stay at right tackle. Both Pettiti and Columbo will be ready to relieve the starters; Pettiti for Adams and Columbo for Fabrini -- until they show themselves superior.

One of them has got to be the swing guy. Parcells typically only keeps 3 OT's active on gameday. Pettiti or Fabini will be the swing guy. Columbo either starts at RT or is inactive on gameday, IMO. I don't see room on the roster for McQuistan unless Fabini gets cut. My guess, based on the trade rumors, is that McQ is headed to the practice squad and Fabini is liable to get cut.

 

[Alexander]

One of them has got to be the swing guy. Parcells typically only keeps 3 OT's active on gameday. Pettiti or Fabini will be the swing guy. Columbo either starts at RT or is inactive on gameday, IMO. I don't see room on the roster for McQuistan unless Fabini gets cut. My guess, based on the trade rumors, is that McQ is headed to the practice squad and Fabini is liable to get cut.

With as much attention as McQuistan is getting, he is the most likely of any of our players to be claimed off waivers if we attempt to get him on the practice squad, and that includes Hurd and Rector simply because depth at offensive tackle league-wide is so poor. Receivers are more or less common in comparison.

If the idea was to put him on the practice squad, Coach Parcells would not be praising him, but rather saying he "didn't want to talk about him".

 

[burmafrd]

It might not be a slam dunk that Gorin is better, but it seems fairly certain. Starting for a team that went and won the SB and also had a RB get 1600 yds.

 

[DLCassidy]

It might not be a slam dunk that Gorin is better, but it seems fairly certain. Starting for a team that went and won the SB and also had a RB get 1600 yds.

How's this for 3rd hand info? I read on another board that there was grumbling on a Pats message board that Gorin got "owned" in pass protection in the Falcons preseason game. And again it's a fact NE was trying to get Fabini in for a visit before we signed him and Gorin may be as low as 3rd on the depth chart behind a rookie and a 2nd year guy. I'm not saying Gorin's not better but I am saying it's not a slam dunk he is. I'll let my own 2 eyes rate Fabini and Columbo at RT Monday before I make a judgement on where we are.

 

[kmd24]

With as much attention as McQuistan is getting, he is the most likely of any of our players to be claimed off waivers if we attempt to get him on the practice squad, and that includes Hurd and Rector simply because depth at offensive tackle league-wide is so poor. Receivers are more or less common in comparison.

If the idea was to put him on the practice squad, Coach Parcells would not be praising him, but rather saying he "didn't want to talk about him".

In general, I agree with this, but if it's true then why are the Cowboys looking for a trade? Even if you cut Fabini, there are 5 tackles on the roster after you trade Shanle for an OT. Parcells only keeps 3 active on gameday, so that would mean that the Cowboys were planning to keep two OT's on the inactive roster.

I don't get it. The only way a trade for an OT makes sense is if two of the existing guys are headed for waivers. Fabini I can see getting cut based on comments to date, but of Flozell, Columbo, Pettiti, and McQuistan, who goes if another body shows up in camp and works his way onto the roster? Or do you think BP will keep 5 OT?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

In general, I agree with this, but if it's true then why are the Cowboys looking for a trade? Even if you cut Fabini, there are 5 tackles on the roster after you trade Shanle for an OT. Parcells only keeps 3 active on gameday, so that would mean that the Cowboys were planning to keep two OT's on the inactive roster.

I don't get it. The only way a trade for an OT makes sense is if two of the existing guys are headed for waivers. Fabini I can see getting cut based on comments to date, but of Flozell, Columbo, Pettiti, and McQuistan, who goes if another body shows up in camp and works his way onto the roster? Or do you think BP will keep 5 OT?

Either we trade for a sure-fire starter upgrade at RT or we don't get an OT. We already have enough good young developmental guys.

We need a guard in case Procter is another Ben Noll. And if Kosier is really not impressing as JFE says, we might need someone who can actually start.

BTW, I can't comprehend our trading for Stallworth. The guy is a soft, always injured, loudmouth... Not a Parcells WR at all IMO.

 

[Alexander]

In general, I agree with this, but if it's true then why are the Cowboys looking for a trade? Even if you cut Fabini, there are 5 tackles on the roster after you trade Shanle for an OT. Parcells only keeps 3 active on gameday, so that would mean that the Cowboys were planning to keep two OT's on the inactive roster.

What difference would that make? We went an entire season carrying Jacob Rogers and another two carrying Peterman and getting zero gameday value out of them. We might be interested in Gorin because he might be better than what we have. And we have carried four tackles at times, just not recently. In 2003, we had Adams, Tucker, Vollers and Young.

I don't get it. The only way a trade for an OT makes sense is if two of the existing guys are headed for waivers. Fabini I can see getting cut based on comments to date, but of Flozell, Columbo, Pettiti, and McQuistan, who goes if another body shows up in camp and works his way onto the roster? Or do you think BP will keep 5 OT?

McQuistan has played guard and is more familiar with it from college, so he could be in that role. I don't necessarily include him in the mix at tackle simply because of that.

It all depends if we think the player we get is better than what we have. And we might consider Gorin superior to all of our tackles not named Flozell. It might be a contingency. We shall have to see.

 

[Alexander]

And if Kosier is really not impressing as JFE says, we might need someone who can actually start.

You cannot say you honestly believe her.

BTW, I can't comprehend our trading for Stallworth. The guy is a soft, always injured, loudmouth... Not a Parcells WR at all IMO.

I don't see it myself, but I never thought Peerless Price was much of a Parcells WR either.

 

[DLCassidy]

In general, I agree with this, but if it's true then why are the Cowboys looking for a trade? Even if you cut Fabini, there are 5 tackles on the roster after you trade Shanle for an OT. Parcells only keeps 3 active on gameday, so that would mean that the Cowboys were planning to keep two OT's on the inactive roster.

I don't get it. The only way a trade for an OT makes sense is if two of the existing guys are headed for waivers. Fabini I can see getting cut based on comments to date, but of Flozell, Columbo, Pettiti, and McQuistan, who goes if another body shows up in camp and works his way onto the roster? Or do you think BP will keep 5 OT?

Parcells stated directly that none of this stuff is "down the road". That means we may not know what we need right now for sure but we do know we have a few extra guys that other teams may want. Getting a line on what we can do if needed is just being prepared for all contingencies. And it may not even be a deal with the Jets if there is a deal. Parcells talked about doing a "scout swap" with more than one team.

I think we keep 4 tackles with McQuistan likely one of them although inactive on game day. You're right adding Gorin would be bad news for 2 out of the three guys currently in contention for RT in that case. That's why I think BP wants to give the guys we have every chance to show him they belong.

 

[kmd24]

What difference would that make? We went an entire season carrying Jacob Rogers and another two carrying Peterman and getting zero gameday value out of them. We might be interested in Gorin because he might be better than what we have. And we have carried four tackles at times, just not recently. In 2003, we had Adams, Tucker, Vollers and Young.

The only reason it matters if they are inactive is that the 5th OT is a roster spot that doesn't have a high probability of contributing at any point in the season, and you would be forcing, say, a LB (and probably a better ST player) off the roster.

It basically comes down to how many OL BP decides to keep. If it is 10, there will be room for 5 OT. The only guards I see making it are Kosier, Rivera, and Proctor. Gurode and Johnson at C. The rest will be OT.

As for carrying 4 OT, it is true that at the end of the 2003 season, there were 4 OT active on gameday, but I think that had a lot to do with Young's bad knee. BP has already stated in TC PC's that he wants to bring three OT to the game.

McQuistan has played guard and is more familiar with it from college, so he could be in that role. I don't necessarily include him in the mix at tackle simply because of that.

I think projecting McQ in the mix at G is a bit of a stretch. If Parcells is planning to put McQ at G for any appreciable time, he would be giving him some TC time there. The kid's already got his plate full learning LT.

I guess McQ will be stashed on the roster as a developmental player. It's interesting, though, because some of good players are going to get forced off this team if McQ sticks and BP keeps a kickoff specialist (the latter of which I highly doubt).

 

[Alexander]

As for carrying 4 OT, it is true that at the end of the 2003 season, there were 4 OT active on gameday, but I think that had a lot to do with Young's bad knee. BP has already stated in TC PC's that he wants to bring three OT to the game.

And sometimes you carry around extra talent for contingencies. I think if we had it to do over again last year, we might have kept an extra offensive tackle in the loop rather than go out and sign the castoffs we did for reserves once Adams got hurt. We got fortunate with Colombo, but even he was not going to contribute last year.

I think projecting McQ in the mix at G is a bit of a stretch. If Parcells is planning to put McQ at G for any appreciable time, he would be giving him some TC time there. The kid's already got his plate full learning LT.

Perhaps, but there is also the possibility that we might also know what he can do at guard, because that is all he played at Weber State to my knowledge. Physically, he is built like a tackle.

I guess McQ will be stashed on the roster as a developmental player. It's interesting, though, because some of good players are going to get forced off this team if McQ sticks and BP keeps a kickoff specialist (the latter of which I highly doubt).

We will have some tough, tough decisions at the final cuts, no question.

 

[DLCassidy]

It's interesting, though, because some of good players are going to get forced off this team if McQ sticks and BP keeps a kickoff specialist (the latter of which I highly doubt).

That's what the "scout swap" is all about. My hope is in the end we convert those guys into picks.

 

[kmd24]

That's what the "scout swap" is all about. My hope is in the end we convert those guys into picks.

No, I mean even if we trade Shanle and Coleman, there are a couple of other guys we would like to see on the team that might not make it. Keep in mind that we are anticipating players in return for these guys.