Rack;1684312 said:
Now you're going way off point.
How is that off point? You said Brady was overrated because he doesn't ever get pressured, is in a great system, and is surrounded by talent (has talented receivers).
I submited that Aikman had the same thing when he won 3 our of 4 supper bowls. I also asked how many sacks Aikman averaged those years as sacks are a good indication of pressure. Its not off point. I consider Aikman one of the greats, and it isn't lessened by the fact that he had great talen around him, and he didn't get sacked (pressured) much when he was winning all those super bowls.
Rack;1684312 said:
And you must have forgotten how Aikman got his 12 concussions. It wasn't from giving headbutts to his linemen. He was getting HIT. You know, helmet to helmet right as he was throwing the football, cuz back then defenders were allowed to hit QBs.
No, I didn't forget that. But Aikman has a long career and he wasn't getting his 12 concussions when he was winning supper bowls. He was surrounded by one of the best o-lines in history and some of the greatest offensive talent the game has ever seen. The 12 concussions definetely shortend Aikmans carreer. Throwing him out there the first season got him killed, no doubt.
Rack;1684312 said:
And it's not just about sacks. It's about how often the QB gets hit. Not only did Aikman get hit A LOT more then Brady does, but he played when defenders could still hit a QB in the head.
Aikman was getting most of those hits when he didn't have the talent around him to take some of the pressure off. Take a look at his sacks those seasons. Aikman was not exactly known for his ability to avoid the rush. Personally, I think he and Brady compare favorably in that category. Certainly Aikman had it tougher when getting hit because the defense could simply unload against him. It certainly shortened his career.
Rack;1684312 said:
When I say Brady is one of the most overrated plaeyrs in the league it's cuz he gets compared to the all-time greats and no way in hell is he in their league. IMO ALL QBs nowadays are overrated. They simply have it way easier then QBs from back in the old days.
Ok, so now its all QBs are overrated. Thats fine. Your point seems to be that no modern QB can be compared with the passed era QBs because the game has changed to much. There is certianly debate in there.
Personally, I think Brady's game compares very well with that of Aikmans. Both are very acurate and got the ball out quickly. They both are not exactly going to avoid the rush like Romo can. I also think Brady would have done pretty well on the Cowboy teams that Aikman was on. This in no way demeans what Aikman accomplished.
You dont agree with that, you don't think there can be any comparison because the game has changed to much. If the game has changed so much, then maybe its not easy to compare, but that still doesn't make Brady one of the most overrated players in the league. That is the only thing I am arguing here. He has proven to be one of the best in the game as it is played today.
You talked about how well the quarterbacks of old would do in the game today. I agree, I think talent will win no matter how the game is played. I pointed out the Stats that Brady has put up this year as an example. How much better would Aikman do? Brady has played pretty much as well as you can.
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