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[Cowboy Junkie]

I dont think Abraham is needed here.
Ware plays the same position/need.
two ends at 250/260 pounds dose not make a whole lot of sense to me

 

[AbeBeta]

I don't think Abraham, giving his connections with Parcells, and Bentley, given our need for an offensive lineman, are far-fetched ideas at all. Abraham, perhaps, given the money involved for another pass rusher.

Me, I think Abraham isn't really a BP type player. Plus he'd have to learn a new position.

Bentley is good but he's going to get a huge contract since he's the only quality center on the market. If we get Bentley it will mean 4 of our 5 OL are making a ton of money. With none of the 3 right now are earning their salaries, it is just too much to invest in the line. Plus, I don't think you need a star at each OL spot to improve the line, you put average players in a couple of spots and things look much better for the unit.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

Me, I think Abraham isn't really a BP type player. Plus he'd have to learn a new position.

Bentley is good but he's going to get a huge contract since he's the only quality center on the market. If we get Bentley it will mean 4 of our 5 OL are making a ton of money. With none of the 3 right now are earning their salaries, it is just too much to invest in the line. Plus, I don't think you need a star at each OL spot to improve the line, you put average players in a couple of spots and things look much better for the unit.

I do not think Bentley is the only quality FA center available ..According to another post Hartwig also available and he is no slouch

 

[Vinnie2u]

Bentley will not see free agency. He will get a franchise tag on him. If New Orleans thinks, he's as good, as everybody around here says he is.

 

[50cent]

Umm, pretty much most guys that hit FA are going to be on the downside of their careers if their current team is willing to let them go.

Of course you don't learn that playing Madden '06.

Now I'm not saying the guys you like wouldn't be great additions. But if 1 or 2 don't live up to expectations you put yourself in a corner that you can't get out of for years without taking a massive cap hit

Your statement that most guy are past their prime when they hit FA is the exact reason why you don't sign them like Wash did. I didn't really mind Fergy because of the position he played and what he was being asked to do (not rush the passer). Although I questioned the Rivera signing due to his age. Now as for Bentley and Abraham, they are nowhere near the down side of their careers. Both are young as is Davis. If any player will cost us for their signing, I see it being Rivera. So once again, comparing what Washington has done to us is like comparing apples to oranges (always have hated that saying, because they're both fruit), but you know what I mean. And oh yeah, I'd rather win 1 Sb in ten years with big signing(then go into salary cap hell) than to be close or out of it for 15 and win none. I.E. -Braves vs Athletics debate

 

[Eskimo]

I read this last week where JJ said due to all of the free agent signings this last
off season that it could cause us some cap problems down the road.

This is probably related to Rivera who has been a big disappointment and will not come close to playing out his contract and leave us with a big cap hit when he is cut.

We probably have the worst ratio of OG pay compared to performance in the league right now with Allen and Rivera.

 

[50cent]

I dont think Abraham is needed here.
Ware plays the same position/need.
two ends at 250/260 pounds dose not make a whole lot of sense to me

Ah, you need 2 OLBs in the 3-4! Makes sense to me.

 

[50cent]

Me, I think Abraham isn't really a BP type player. Plus he'd have to learn a new position.

Bentley is good but he's going to get a huge contract since he's the only quality center on the market. If we get Bentley it will mean 4 of our 5 OL are making a ton of money. With none of the 3 right now are earning their salaries, it is just too much to invest in the line. Plus, I don't think you need a star at each OL spot to improve the line, you put average players in a couple of spots and things look much better for the unit.

You should stop posting while you have merit. Abraham has played in the 3-4 under BP and to think we already have average players on our OL and they have stunk it up. Improvement is needed, I would say on the Oline. As for my idea about the OL. Draft McNeil, move Flo to RT and plug Bentley at C. I think that is pretty close to being stout.

 

[50cent]

But that's the thing. Abraham and Bentley will both be like 27 or 28 this coming off-season if I'm not mistaken. They have plenty of years left, if you ask me, which is why I'm in favor of these two particular signinngs.

Your not mistaken, they are both young and warrant consideration during FA.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

Ah, you need 2 OLBs in the 3-4! Makes sense to me.

I would like to see Kalen Thorton come back and claim that position...
I think with the cap you just can not put as much as Abraham will command into that position.
I think he will look for top DE money..
I know Fujita is not in Abrahams class as a pass rucher ,but he could be a cheaper alternative...
He played pretty well the past 2 weeks...

 

[50cent]

I would like to see Kalen Thorton come back and claim that position...
I think with the cap you just can not put as much as Abraham will command into that position.
I think he will look for top DE money..
I know Fujita is not in Abrahams class as a pass rucher ,but he could be a cheaper alternative...
He played pretty well the past 2 weeks...

Having Kalen as a full time Starter is wishful thinking IMO. Don't think he is starter material, plus he and Ware play the same side.
It kills me to keep hearing people say what Abraham will demand. He has no leverage after the stunt he pulled last season and his down year this season. If he asks for too much, he may as well Sprewell himself and price himself out of a job. I really don't think his final signing price will be even close to what Kearse got.
As for Fujita, he is a FA as well. There are no guarantees that he will resign with us. I too like Fujita though.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

Having Kalen as a full time Starter is wishful thinking IMO. Don't think he is starter material, plus he and Ware play the same side.
It kills me to keep hearing people say what Abraham will demand. He has no leverage after the stunt he pulled last season and his down year this season. If he asks for too much, he may as well Sprewell himself and price himself out of a job. I really don't think his final signing price will be even close to what Kearse got.
As for Fujita, he is a FA as well. There are no guarantees that he will resign with us. I too like Fujita though.

You are right... It is wishfull thinking with Kalen ..I really like the player.
As for Fujita I know he is a FA ,but he is a smart guy and he is there and sees what is developing with the defense and I would think he realizes he would be in a great position to put some big numbers up and more importantly an oppurtunity playing in Jan often.....

 

[AbeBeta]

You should stop posting while you have merit. Abraham has played in the 3-4 under BP

Now how could he have done that if he was drafted in 2000 and BP last coached the Jets in 1999?

Who's lacking merit now?

 

[50cent]

Now how could he have done that if he was drafted in 2000 and BP last coached the Jets in 1999?

Who's lacking merit now?

Thinking Grohl, typed BP. Now who has merit?

 

[AbeBeta]

Thinking Grohl, typed BP. Now who has merit?

yeah, all 6 games Abraham played as a part timer that year. that's some deep experience with the 3-4.

 

[50cent]

yeah, all 6 games Abraham played as a part timer that year. that's some deep experience with the 3-4.

When you practice a position for an entire TC and then play in it for 2.5 months, thats experience. Yes, he will have to refresh up on some technical things, but his learning curve won't be as long as say a guy named FUJITA or SINGLETON. You know, guys that never played it but still performed pretty well once they were accustomed to the techinque. Lastly, he has nothing to learn in this defense when the words, "get to the QB" are muttered by BP.

 

[AbeBeta]

When you practice a position for an entire TC and then play in it for 2.5 months, thats experience. Yes, he will have to refresh up on some technical things, but his learning curve won't be as long as say a guy named FUJITA or SINGLETON. You know, guys that never played it but still performed pretty well once they were accustomed to the techinque. Lastly, he has nothing to learn in this defense when the words, "get to the QB" are muttered by BP.

I think though that they are making a different switch -- they needed to adjust to rushing the passer. Abraham would have to adjust to dropping back in coverage.

 

[AbeBeta]

I do not think Bentley is the only quality FA center available ..According to another post Hartwig also available and he is no slouch

Huh? How is a 2004 3rd round pick going to be a free agent? Regardless of contract, the Chargers own his rights for 2 more years.

The only way he's free is if he's cut. and that's not going to happen

 

[50cent]

I think though that they are making a different switch -- they needed to adjust to rushing the passer. Abraham would have to adjust to dropping back in coverage.

Like I said. He would have to adjust on some technical things, but he has done it before. When you practice something for the length of time that he did and actually played with those same principles, its not foreign. He has the athletic ability to do it and the fact that he has done it before should make for a quick adjustment. You started this debate with money issues and now it has turned to LB play. I don't think you actually know what your debating right now.

 

[AbeBeta]

Huh? How is a 2004 3rd round pick going to be a free agent? Regardless of contract, the Chargers own his rights for 2 more years.

The only way he's free is if he's cut. and that's not going to happen

My bad. Read Hartwick, not Hartwig.