ST: Cowboys remaining confident in first-round pick Taco Charlton

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jobberone said:
Too early to get upset. Everyone wants the guy on fire but most take a year or more to get it going. Patience is the plan here.
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He looks like he is thinking too much.

He errors on the side of run contain at the expense of pass rush. Even on run plays he looks like they've told him to maintain outside contain regardless (i.e. He over-commits to outside run contain at times).
 
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xwalker said:
He looks like he is think too much.

He errors on the side of run contain at the expense of pass rush. Even on run plays he looks like they've told him to maintain outside contain regardless (i.e. He over-commits to outside run contain at times).
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Totally normal for a rookie. He's adjusting as he should. He probably does need to relax and rely on his instincts. OTOH, he may have already done that and run into problems. They have to coach him up obviously.
 
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Totally normal for a rookie. He's adjusting as he should. He probably does need to relax and rely on his instincts. OTOH, he may have already done that and run into problems. They have to coach him up obviously.
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I'm curious to see who is inactive.

If it's Taco, there will be endless whiner threads about it.
 
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(chuckling to self) as compared to what? Just how many on carpet plays has Tapper achieved to date?

Taco already has adequate size and speed, to be a factor. He now has to get use to the yoke of playing in the NFL. How long that takes, you and I, both, have no clue. But the coaching staff, who lives and produces in the NFL on just such matters, do know about the player. Not all talked through staff, is fluff and media candy.

Sorry, I will chose to go with the Parcells time table and give a lower first round player much more of his first season to get settled and part of what is going on with the rest of the team. Give him the skills, and he will grow stronger and better as well.
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Yeah. I'm chuckling too. Let's make excuses for Taco. I haven't said he can't be a good player but right now he isn't even close to a good player. He is eating playing time that a more productive player could be getting.

Tapper getting hurt made the playing time issue between Taco and Tapper moot for the time being. But if every player on this defense performed at the level Taco is currently performing every team would score 100 points on us.

I beg to differ with you on Taco's speed. It is nonexistent. He has an ineffective spin move and nothing else right now. He can't currently win with strength against a solid LOT.

He MIGHT have more success with speed against a LEFT OT, since they tend to be strong but slower than a LT. But Right now Taco is sucking big time.

Tapper was often in the picture frame around the QB and you could see his speed was evident. He was getting upfield. The only time Taco really currently gets upfield is when the OT is riding him off into no mans land on the outside where he isn't a factor at all in the play.

You guys defend Taco's play all you want. No one is saying he has to be be Ware reincarnated, but Ware was always getting close early on even if he didn't get there. So far Taco is showing ZILCH.

There is still time for Taco to "make a hand" as a player but to say his is doing fine currently is complete and utter folly so far in this first quarter of the season.
 
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xwalker said:
I'm curious to see who is inactive.

If it's Taco, there will be endless whiner threads about it.
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The Taco apologists are almost as plentiful as Dez appologists. If this coaching staff will stop screwing around and start benching unproductive players (Dez, Witten-blocking, Taco) the team will be better for it and it will send a message not only to the inderperforming players but the players behind they who are dying to get playing time as well.

The Dallas Cowboy's entitlement culture is a huge reason why we never get over the hump. It is very frustrating to watch that part of this franchise.
 
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I see a lot of Shante Carver in his game. That's not good. PS. Yes, I am that old.
 
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xwalker said:
Different position. Watt is a LB.

I think Jaylon has 34 tackles. Does that mean he is playing great?
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No. I dont think anyone would say Jaylon is playing well. But much better than Taco? Hell yes and twice on Sunday.
 
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In what way? Are you asserting that Taco's suck play so far is excused based on that?
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Based on the fact that players that play the same position he does, on defensive schemes similar as he does, were rated higher than him and drafted higher than him are playing just as bad.

Completely ridiculous to expect Taco to come out, as a part time player nevertheless, dominating from day one. Had he done so, it would have been a near miracle, just like Dak was a miracle.

Tell me, how's the #1 overall pick doing in Cleveland ?
 
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Randy White said:
Based on the fact that players that play the same position he does, on defensive schemes similar as he does, were rated higher than him and drafted higher than him are playing just as bad.

Completely ridiculous to expect Taco to come out, as a part time player nevertheless, dominating from day one. Had he done so, it would have been a near miracle, just like Dak was a miracle.

Tell me, how's the #1 overall pick doing in Cleveland ?
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A couple of points. First stats don't tell the whole story. You would have to watch the other players actually play to evaluate a true comparison.

Second, does it really matter how other players are doing? If a player who was drafted higher thanTaco sucks that doesn't excuse Tacos poor play.

The knock I have on Taco isn't his stats. He isn't even close to being a factor most of the time! He is totally out of the play. He could be almost as effective sitting in a lawn chair at the end of the defensive line and smoking a cigarette and drinking a beer as he currently playing.
 
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Problem with Taco so far is not much quickness and not much strength. Strength can be improved upon. Quickness is whatever the man upstairs gave you when you popped out of the chute. I see him getting stronger and bigger and playing inside. Is what it is.
 
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A couple of points. First stats don't tell the whole story. You would have to watch the other players actually play to evaluate a true comparison.

Second, does it really matter how other players are doing? If a player who was drafted higher thanTaco sucks that doesn't excuse Tacos poor play. The knock I have on Taco isn't his stats. He isn't even close to being a factor most of the time! He is totally out of the play. He could be almost as effective sitting in a lawn chair at the end of the defensive line and smoking a cigarette and drinking a beer as he currently playing.
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Aaahhh, there you go. That's the old position, as long as the internet has been around anyways, when an argument has been countered with effective data. " I only care about the Cowboys' players ".. Ok, then if that's the case, then perhaps you should look for a reason for Taco's bad play. If you did, you'd find out that it's not unusual for rookies to start off slow. How would you know ? You'd compare his play to the players who are in the same boat as he is.

But it is easier to be critical sitting on that same lawn chair, smoking cigarettes and drinking beer.

As far a stats not telling the whole story, ok, so, how impactful has those other players been with nearly identical stats as Taco ?

Wait, it doesn't really matter because they do not play for the Cowboys.
 
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