Stanback vs Ogletree for 5th Receiver Spot *Merge*

[TellerMorrow34]

Tree is going to have to start showing up more on Special teams if he's going to ultimately unseat Stanback. I think it's possible but I don't know if it's all that likely.

 

[tomson75]

He looked good against scrubs. He can catch the ball and runs decent routes. He's quick but not that fast just fast enough. He'd be a good 4-6 WR depending on his STs play, PRs, and KRs if that's feasible.

He's not as talented as Stanback. There is only one WR on the team with near his talent and that's Austin. Now that doesn't mean he's NFL ready to start or contribute because there is a lot more to the game at WR than just talent. But you don't teach or coach that stuff. You either have it or not. And he has it in spades.

Doesn't matter how fancy or good you look doing something as long as you get 'er done. He still needs to prove that and stay healthy.

The Stanback sucks routine is old. Get a new gig.

It seems to me you're confusing "talent" with "athleticism". As a wide receiver, it's clearly Ogletree that has shown more talent and ability IMO.

 

[5Stars]

Did you hear Ray Sherman say "Don't eat from the Ogletree." after his TD catch?


Oh, and my friend, jobberone...Stanback is a pure punk, period!!

He's a damn sissy that I wish would be shipped off to the Commanders where he belongs! (that is, if his foot does not get hurt walking to the plane, or his shoulder does not pop out when he sits down on the plane seat).

I've never disliked a Cowboy player so much as him...well, Crankcase does come to mind...

 

[Hoofbite]

Isaiah Stanback might as well be Randall Williams at this point for all the wide receiver talent he has. Just because he's a good athlete does not make him a good wide receiver, and he's had ample time to prove himself. I think if Ogletree produces more than him in the last 2 preseason games, and especially if he has some nice kick returns, it shouldn't even be a question who we keep.

Randal scored a TD at least.

Stanhack hasn't even pulled that off yet.

 

[TheCount]

He looked good against scrubs. He can catch the ball and runs decent routes. He's quick but not that fast just fast enough. He'd be a good 4-6 WR depending on his STs play, PRs, and KRs if that's feasible.

He's not as talented as Stanback. There is only one WR on the team with near his talent and that's Austin. Now that doesn't mean he's NFL ready to start or contribute because there is a lot more to the game at WR than just talent. But you don't teach or coach that stuff. You either have it or not. And he has it in spades.

Doesn't matter how fancy or good you look doing something as long as you get 'er done. He still needs to prove that and stay healthy.

The Stanback sucks routine is old. Get a new gig.

You obviously have a different definition for the term talent than the rest of the world. Stanback has potential, not talent. Talent is realized potential. Randy Moss is talented. Jason Witten is talented. Stanback is not.

 

[theogt]

Ogletree is making this team. I wrote in my training camp report that he stood out outside of the top four. I really have no idea how this guy didn't get drafted. If he builds some strength and confidence, he could be a real player.

Re: Stanback, I think the way the roster will shake out it will be inevitable that we take a 6th WR. There aren't enough other bottom of the roster types demanding spots.

 

[Hoofbite]

You obviously have a different definition for the term talent than the rest of the world. Stanback has potential, not talent. Talent is realized potential. Randy Moss is talented. Jason Witten is talented. Stanback is not.

For him the amount of talent a player has is directly correlated to the size of the tent pitched in his trousers.

 

[theogt]

You obviously have a different definition for the term talent than the rest of the world. Stanback has potential, not talent. Talent is realized potential. Randy Moss is talented. Jason Witten is talented. Stanback is not.

To me, there's physical talent and there's football talent.

Stanback is very clearly one of the more physically talented players on our team.

I will say this, I watched him a good bit last night when he came on the field (this 5th receiver spot is one of the more interesting battles, so I watched them both closely) and he was consistently wide open. I sure wish he'd get time with the first team and have his number called to see what he could do. But he won't get that chance this preseason I don't think.

 

[Hostile]

our wr's failing to get open has been a problem for awhile now. witten is a wr(lets face it, he is a wr that occasionally blocks) because of this. thank god we had TO. these "gems" you speak of have done nothing. i guess the only real good thing to come out of it is that we didn't break the bank on them....

:laugh2:

I simple acknowledgment that you don't understand the game would have been fine. Now you maintain that our WRs and TEs can't get open.

Last night 24 of 32 completions were to guys who were not open.

Good thing we have guys who can fight for the ball then huh?

Why am I not surprised your another butt hurt TO fan?

 

[zeroburrito]

:laugh2:

I simple acknowledgment that you don't understand the game would have been fine. Now you maintain that our WRs and TEs can't get open.

Last night 24 of 32 completions were to guys who were not open.

Good thing we have guys who can fight for the ball then huh?

Why am I not surprised your another butt hurt TO fan?

why are you talking about a single preseason game? i'm talking about the last few years of the regular season. TO and witten is all we had, and it became a problem late in the year. i don't care for TO at all, but i acknowledge that he masked some problems with our wr's. i think romo forced it to TO so often because the other guys were useless. TO would get thrown to even when he was covered. better to throw at a covered TO than a covered "gem".

 

[Hostile]

why are you talking about a single preseason game? i'm talking about the last few years of the regular season.

How many years? Give me a number so I can quickly go find you the numbers for these guys who can't get open.

Dig yourself a hole. I'll throw the dirt in on top of ya.

Hint...it is a stupid comment that shows no grasp of the game.

 

[zeroburrito]

How many years? Give me a number so I can quickly go find you the numbers for these guys who can't get open.

Dig yourself a hole. I'll throw the dirt in on top of ya.

Hint...it is a stupid comment that shows no grasp of the game.

bring up the numbers. it was one of the most talked about things, how our wr's were never open and romo kept forcing it to TO(part of the reason romo has lots of ints, throwing into blanketed receivers). try re-watching the games to see for yourself. our 2 udfa gems have a combined 800 yards or something in a heavily based passing offense..

when TO was getting jammed at the line toward the end of the year, our passing attack DIED.

 

[theogt]

For a bunch of guys that don't get open, Tony must be the second coming of Christ for completing 73.3% of his passes during preseason.

 

[zeroburrito]

For a bunch of guys that don't get open, Tony must be the second coming of Christ for completing 73.3% of his passes during preseason.

the entire field was open yesterday. i'm not arguing that at all. even our 3rd string guy had something like 80%. the titans were atrocious. romo is also a top 3 qb in the league. it's a shame he has to make something out of nothing sooooo many times because of the crap we have outside of witten and now HOPEFULLY roy williams.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

He looked good against scrubs. He can catch the ball and runs decent routes. He's quick but not that fast just fast enough. He'd be a good 4-6 WR depending on his STs play, PRs, and KRs if that's feasible.

He's not as talented as Stanback. There is only one WR on the team with near his talent and that's Austin. Now that doesn't mean he's NFL ready to start or contribute because there is a lot more to the game at WR than just talent. But you don't teach or coach that stuff. You either have it or not. And he has it in spades.

Doesn't matter how fancy or good you look doing something as long as you get 'er done. He still needs to prove that and stay healthy.

The Stanback sucks routine is old. Get a new gig.

Stanback does suck, you need to wake up and smell reality (no pun intended)..... I believe Olgetree will win the 5th receiver spot and rightly so.

 

[Hostile]

bring up the numbers. it was one of the most talked about things, how our wr's were never open and romo kept forcing it to TO.

Aw gotcha the TO years. I should have known automatically.

2006 we had 310 completed passes. 85 were to iStupid, the only man in History who can get open. That leaves 225 completions. 189 of those completions were by your definition to people who could not get open. The rest were to RBs who I suppose can get open. Not sure how to translate your ridiculous claims.

That's a lot of fighting for the ball to complete that many passes.


2007 we had 342 completed passes. 81 were to iJerk, the only man in History who can get open. That leaves 261 completions. 187 of those completions were by your definition to people who could not get open. The rest were to RBs again.

That's a lot of fighting for the ball again.


2008 we had 328 completed passes. 69 were to iFail, the only man in History who can get open. That leaves 259 completions. 182 of those were by your definition to people who could not get open. The rest were to RBs again.


Yet you aren't impressed by all of these completions to guys who were fighting for the ball? In the name of all that is sane why not?

Oh yeah, I almost forgot.

 

[zeroburrito]

Aw gotcha the TO years. I should have known automatically.

2006 we had 310 completed passes. 85 were to iStupid, the only man in History who can get open. That leaves 225 completions. 189 of those completions were by your definition to people who could not get open. The rest were to RBs who I suppose can get open. Not sure how to translate your ridiculous claims.

That's a lot of fighting for the ball to complete that many passes.


2007 we had 342 completed passes. 81 were to iJerk, the only man in History who can get open. That leaves 261 completions. 187 of those completions were by your definition to people who could not get open. The rest were to RBs again.

That's a lot of fighting for the ball again.


2008 we had 328 completed passes. 69 were to iFail, the only man in History who can get open. That leaves 259 completions. 182 of those were by your definition to people who could not get open. The rest were to RBs again.


Yet you aren't impressed by all of these completions to guys who were fighting for the ball? In the name of all that is sane why not?

Oh yeah, I almost forgot.

please re-watch the 2008 season.

miles austin had 13 receptions. hurd had 0...though he did have 19 in 2007. the other guy crayton had 39, and some some drops costing us some important games. no idea where you got 187 and 182.

why is 2006 here? miles austin didn't even play in 2006 and hurd only caught 5 passes.

 

[cowboyschmps3]

yeah Stanback i think was a good project but this Ogletree guy is just outplayoing him, he has better kickoff returns and can really be a good receiver, now remember he was a receiver at Virginia a good one was suppose to have a greeat year but ended up playying with the 3rd string Qb

 

[Hostile]

please re-watch the 2008 season.

miles austin had 13 receptions. hurd had 0...though he did have 19 in 2007.

I gave you the exact total numbers of completions to our WRs and TEs who you say could not get open.

~Flush~

 

[zeroburrito]

I gave you the exact total numbers of completions to our WRs and TEs who you say could not get open.

~Flush~

i was commenting on our 7th round and udfa's which you think is pretty amazing to have. not TO or witten. no idea where running backs came from. i have no idea how you can't remember all the forced throw romo threw last year. if we had any other qb it would be so much worse.

you do bring up something. they were so bad our rb's had to pick up the slack as well.