Stanback vs Ogletree for 5th Receiver Spot *Merge*

[ThreeSportStar80]

yeah Stanback i think was a good project but this Ogletree guy is just outplayoing him, he has better kickoff returns and can really be a good receiver, now remember he was a receiver at Virginia a good one was suppose to have a greeat year but ended up playying with the 3rd string Qb

I agree the QB situation at UVA messed up his draft stock I believe... He's always been a very good wide receiver.

 

[alancdc]

I agree the QB situation at UVA messed up his draft stock I believe... He's always been a very good wide receiver.

I think this sometimes gets lost when talking about WR in college. College is so much about the system and the QB. If you have a average to bad QB then the WR isn't going to have great stats. I like what I have seen thus far, and from the sound of Buck and Troy the coaches like him as well.

 

[CATCH17]

i was commenting on our 7th round and udfa's which you think is pretty amazing to have. not TO or witten. no idea where running backs came from. i have no idea how you can't remember all the forced throw romo threw last year. if we had any other qb it would be so much worse.

you do bring up something. they were so bad our rb's had to pick up the slack as well.

Still stuck on where they were drafted huh?

Whats even better is you act like these guys wouldn't be good because they didn't produce right off the bat.

The entire time they were all guys with potential that would take a little more time than others to develop and now it looks like the time has come.

 

[EPL0c0]

Yes....he's already out playing Stanback

on that TD he looked bigger than 6' I was impressed w/ how he gained control then made sure he tapped his toes inbounds

 

[SLATEmosphere]

I must have missed something..why do people call him "stanbach". ?

 

[Bach]

If he does it would mean 3 of our WRs are UDFAs and another one is a 7th round pick who converted positions. Pretty amazing when you think about it.

It also doesn't hurt that we rarely draft any WR's - especially on day one.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Don't eat from the Ogletreeeee!!!!

 

[Sarge]

Stanback does suck, you need to wake up and smell reality....

...apparently you haven't smelled Reality!

 

[RainMan]

I think Ogletree has made the team, personally. But while I'm down on Stanback, I also think he slides onto the roster and we keep six wideouts.

Stanback's still not as developed as you'd hope, but he has started to show more signs that he's understanding what being a wide receiver is about -- which is light years ahead of where he's been. He's still more of a quarterback/track guy than a wide receiver in my opinion, but I do see some development if his injuries don't keep precluding it.

 

[PullMyFinger]

In one thread, we have "Stanbach," "Steinbach," and "Staback."



It's a good thing T.J. Houshmandzadeh isn't on this team.

I would just call him T.J. Whosyourmoma......:


"Championship!"

 

[Woods]

I think Ogletree has made the team, personally. But while I'm down on Stanback, I also think he slides onto the roster and we keep six wideouts.

Stanback's still not as developed as you'd hope, but he has started to show more signs that he's understanding what being a wide receiver is about -- which is light years ahead of where he's been. He's still more of a quarterback/track guy than a wide receiver in my opinion, but I do see some development if his injuries don't keep precluding it.

If we keep 2 kickers, 3 QBs and 3 TEs, I think it's going to be very difficult to have 6 WRs.

That said, I read that S. McGee also has a knee sprain. Hopefully he's o.k. But if he's on IR, then maybe we only keep 2 QBs on the 53 man roster and we keep an extra WR.

 

[jobberone]

How can you stated Stanback has WR talent and has the stuff that can't be coached when we have seen all of maybe 6 or 7 outings of him in three years. He's has not completely one single off season training session not including this one so far. And for the reports coming out of this TC, he has been very inconsistent, dropping both sure short passes and deep routes. I'm not bashing the guys but, let take out the fan emotions for this guys and evaluate him for what it is. Do we really want to take another year on this guy and end up letting go a hidden gym that could be very productive for this team. Ogletree should be the fifth WR if he continues to prove himself. And like you stated, if you got it, you got it. And this guys has it. The work ethics, the dedication, and the attitude to get better.

Because the reports out of last year's and this year's camp has said he was very impressive, unstoppable, yada at times. He's had good, bad, and apparently very impressive days and plays. I have no idea if Ogletree 'has it' or not. I have no emotion over this. I'm not even a big Stanback fan nor an Ogletree one although his play last nite was noticable.

Definately!!!! Have you seen the Foreskins WR's? They're terrible!!! The Fins could use him too...

Yeah the whole league is enthralled by the UFA who caught a couple of passes in one exhibition game. Of course I'm sure you're joking.....mostly.

I have watched every game since he has been here and I'm trying to think what games are you seeing that he was unstoppable in? This guy hasn't done anything since he got here and now a rookie who has a far better upside than him is outplaying him. Stanback is still trying to learn how to play WR, Ogletree seems more natural.

Have you heard of practice. And Olgetree does not have any upside on Stanback unless you want to play the injury card.

No need.

It's completely accurate.

A fancy sports car that's always in the shop.

Stanback must stay on the field or risk being cut. Not saying they will but I would. Good analogy though. So far he's been more Ferrari than Porsche.

Stanback may claim to be a good bowler, but to put both of these guys ahead of Roy Williams on the talent scale is absolutely ridiculous.

Roy is in a different niche. While fast he's not the field stretcher Austin and Stanback are. He wasn't in the comparison although athletically both are more talented than RW. Not by much. And while RW hasn't done a great deal he's infinitely more qualified as a NFL starting WR than either of them.

It seems to me you're confusing "talent" with "athleticism". As a wide receiver, it's clearly Ogletree that has shown more talent and ability IMO.

What do you think gets them open to catch a pass? And how many catches does Ogletree have now? Neither one has any legacy to stand on. They've both done squat. It's clear to the rest of the league that Olgetree wasn't draftable BECAUSE his talent is not evident. Doesn't mean that the entire league didn't make a mistake but Olgetree has much less talent and athleticism than Stanback.

No one accuses Stanback of not having the tools to be a WR in this league. It's his inability to stay on the field that dogs him. And he has no track record in games yet. Neither does Olgetree.

Did you hear Ray Sherman say "Don't eat from the Ogletree." after his TD catch?


Oh, and my friend, jobberone...Stanback is a pure punk, period!!

He's a damn sissy that I wish would be shipped off to the Commanders where he belongs! (that is, if his foot does not get hurt walking to the plane, or his shoulder does not pop out when he sits down on the plane seat).

I've never disliked a Cowboy player so much as him...well, Crankcase does come to mind...

Emotional reasoning is a cognitive distortion.

You obviously have a different definition for the term talent than the rest of the world. Stanback has potential, not talent. Talent is realized potential. Randy Moss is talented. Jason Witten is talented. Stanback is not.

Well Olgetree has not realized anything except to get noticed. That's it so far. It's not worth arguing subjectively about talent even if its defined which this has not been. Again the entire league thought Olgetree was so talented he went undrafted. That doesn't mean he won't make it but the cards are stacked against him.

Stanback does suck, you need to wake up and smell reality (no pun intended)..... I believe Olgetree will win the 5th receiver spot and rightly so.

Depends on whether Stanback stays healthy and Olgetree outplays him.

I think Ogletree has made the team, personally. But while I'm down on Stanback, I also think he slides onto the roster and we keep six wideouts.

Stanback's still not as developed as you'd hope, but he has started to show more signs that he's understanding what being a wide receiver is about -- which is light years ahead of where he's been. He's still more of a quarterback/track guy than a wide receiver in my opinion, but I do see some development if his injuries don't keep precluding it.

I wouldn't have a problem with both making the team but I'm not counting on either of them to play a lot. Stanback will get some opportunities if he stays healthy but he'd better start making his athletic talent produce some stats and wow did you see that.

Personally, I'd rather have had that fast runt from Michael's program than Olgetree AT THIS TIME.

 

[lostinomiya]

I still like Stonebeak....his first year was basicallt an injury year and he is still relatively new to the position...hope we can keep both Oogletray and Stundback.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

...apparently you haven't smelled Reality!

Nor would I like to either... :laugh2:

 

[5Stars]

Emotional reasoning is a cognitive distortion.

What is your reasoning, if not cognitive distortion? The guy has not done crap since he's been here!

Tell me what he's done that makes you have any belief in him? What? Anything?

He's always hurt...he has not made one iota of an impact on this team since he was drafted! Teach me, Doc! What? Convince me on what I should like about him.

Even Carpenter gets dogged by his play, but at least the guy is on the field! I would rather depend on someone that can at least practice all the time and be mediocre than someone that "might" have it but cannot produce!

Stanback is brittle...and if he wants to play reciever he better shape up! But, he can't...he's always breaking down here and there. He does nothing for this team if he cannot get on the field.

It's no wonder he played QB during his career because if he has to mix it up play after play...he's done. And we know that a QB does not take as much punishment as a reciever does, play after play.

You know better than that...come on, bro!

 

[jobberone]

What is your reasoning, if not cognitive distortion? The guy has not done crap since he's been here!

Tell me what he's done that makes you have any belief in him? What? Anything?

He's always hurt...he has not made one iota of an impact on this team since he was drafted! Teach me, Doc! What? Convince me on what I should like about him.

Even Carpenter gets dogged by his play, but at least the guy is on the field! I would rather depend on someone that can at least practice all the time and be mediocre than someone that "might" have it but cannot produce!

Stanback is brittle...and if he wants to play reciever he better shape up! But, he can't...he's always breaking down here and there. He does nothing for this team if he cannot get on the field.

It's no wonder he played QB during his career because if he has to mix it up play after play...he's done. And we know that a QB does not take as much punishment as a reciever does, play after play.

You know better than that...come on, bro!

I can look with my eyes and see the same thing the rest of the league saw. Olgetree may produce on the field and earn a spot as the 5th or 6th WR on this team. Stanback has it all over him talent wise. That's not to say Stanback will be a star or even make the team or Olgetree is fodder.

I'm not a fan of either. Or a big fan. They both have their pros and cons and neither is a lock to make this team esp Olgetree. Let's see how Olgetree does against opponents first team before annoiting him as the next Amendola of TC. Let's esp wait until TC has progressed more.

And I'm tired of the brittle thing with Stanback. He's been consistently injured but that could be the end of it. OR he could injure his way out of the league. I'm not saying he's anything but a very gifted athlete who WILL be given every opportunity to play with the big boys. Olgetree will be given opportunities on some STs and will play after Stanback sits for the most part. That should tell all of you something.

In the end it may very well be an injured Stanback is waived or placed on IR to be released when well. And Olgetree could be the next Drew Pearson. I doubt it but it could happen.

But it's premature to think about either yet.

 

[PBJTime]

What do you think gets them open to catch a pass? And how many catches does Ogletree have now? Neither one has any legacy to stand on. They've both done squat. It's clear to the rest of the league that Olgetree wasn't draftable BECAUSE his talent is not evident. Doesn't mean that the entire league didn't make a mistake but Olgetree has much less talent and athleticism than Stanback.

Well Olgetree has not realized anything except to get noticed. That's it so far. It's not worth arguing subjectively about talent even if its defined which this has not been. Again the entire league thought Olgetree was so talented he went undrafted. That doesn't mean he won't make it but the cards are stacked against him.

Come on, Doc. You know just as well as the rest of us that draft status can mean nothing when it comes to talent. I can surely think of a star on our team who went undrafted...

That's a poor argument.

And I'm tired of the brittle thing with Stanback. He's been consistently injured but that could be the end of it. OR he could injure his way out of the league. I'm not saying he's anything but a very gifted athlete who WILL be given every opportunity to play with the big boys. Olgetree will be given opportunities on some STs and will play after Stanback sits for the most part. That should tell all of you something.

In the end it may very well be an injured Stanback is waived or placed on IR to be released when well. And Olgetree could be the next Drew Pearson. I doubt it but it could happen.

But it's premature to think about either yet.

You, of all people, should know that shoulder injuries can become problematic. There are many structures in the shoulder that just cannot heal or return to the way they were prior to an injury. However, I don't disagree that we could have seen the last of his injuries.

As an aside, I never thought that he was THAT great. He appears to lack fluidity, in my untrained opinion. He seems fast, but rigid. Having said that, I realize that I am not a member of the coaching staff or management, which is probably a good thing.

 

[jobberone]

Come on, Doc. You know just as well as the rest of us that draft status can mean nothing when it comes to talent. I can surely think of a star on our team who went undrafted...

That's a poor argument.



You, of all people, should know that shoulder injuries can become problematic. There are many structures in the shoulder that just cannot heal or return to the way they were prior to an injury. However, I don't disagree that we could have seen the last of his injuries.

As an aside, I never thought that he was THAT great. He appears to lack fluidity, in my untrained opinion. He seems fast, but rigid. Having said that, I realize that I am not a member of the coaching staff or management, which is probably a good thing.

It is not a poor argument. In general the lower the round the less likely to make it in the NFL. Since it's 50% in the first then undrafted is very poor. It's better now than in the past. In Drew Pearson's time we brought in over a 100 UDFAs in general. In general to not be drafted means you don't have it with exceptions understood. Only One is perfect.

But I can see the difference between them even as blind as I am. That is not to say I can't be wrong. Contrare. But when the rest of the league agrees with me then I'll note it. And there are less QBs in this league than WRs by a large margin. But I agree UDFAs can make it in this league. Just not often.

And since I don't know what his shoulder injury is then I'll take the caveat that if released to play professional football then he is close to the risk of the native population and likely better than that considering the sport involved.

Again, his risk of injury is, within a reasonable medical doubt, the same as the native population which is football players in this incident. Generally, you don't allow someone at risk for chronic subluxation the opportunity to play football. IOWs, he would have failed his physical.

I cannot understand why people cannot see the obvious talent in this guy. An elite level of talent. I will admit he has not translated that talent to the football field as far as regular season play. And until he does then he's just a tease. Until and if then, I'll continue to hope he realizes all that potential.

And I'll hope Ogletree makes a good career also. Just don't ask me to buy into the 'we hate brittle ole crappy Stanback' routine. If he disappoints let it be at the right time. Which ain't right now.

 

[PBJTime]

It is not a poor argument. In general the lower the round the less likely to make it in the NFL. Since it's 50% in the first then undrafted is very poor. It's better now than in the past. In Drew Pearson's time we brought in over a 100 UDFAs in general. In general to not be drafted means you don't have it with exceptions understood. Only One is perfect.

But I can see the difference between them even as blind as I am. That is not to say I can't be wrong. Contrare. But when the rest of the league agrees with me then I'll note it. And there are less QBs in this league than WRs by a large margin. But I agree UDFAs can make it in this league. Just not often.

And since I don't know what his shoulder injury is then I'll take the caveat that if released to play professional football then he is close to the risk of the native population and likely better than that considering the sport involved.

Again, his risk of injury is, within a reasonable medical doubt, the same as the native population which is football players in this incident. Generally, you don't allow someone at risk for chronic subluxation the opportunity to play football. IOWs, he would have failed his physical.

I cannot understand why people cannot see the obvious talent in this guy. An elite level of talent. I will admit he has not translated that talent to the football field as far as regular season play. And until he does then he's just a tease. Until and if then, I'll continue to hope he realizes all that potential.

And I'll hope Ogletree makes a good career also. Just don't ask me to buy into the 'we hate brittle ole crappy Stanback' routine. If he disappoints let it be at the right time. Which ain't right now.

Well, all I'm saying is UDFA status does not preclude one from having a great NFL career, often times better than those drafted ahead or deemed to have "better talent." If you agree to that, then we're all good.

As far as the shoulder, he has already had multiple injuries of that shoulder. That would be an indication that it could be a chronic issue. Maybe not, but I'd be willing to wager that he will have issues with it again. A dislocation, especially one requiring surgery to correct, most certainly weakens the shoulder and makes it more susceptible to repeat injuries. I've seen enough athletes and sports injuries to realize that I often have repeat customers. I could be wrong, and I don't know the extent of his injuries or seen the MRI's, but if I were a betting man...

Edit: "Generally, you don't allow someone at risk for chronic subluxation the opportunity to play football."

A surgically repaired shoulder is a higher risk than the native population. Also, players at risk for re-injury are allowed to play all the time. Romo with his hand. Witten with his jaw wired shut. Emmitt Smith after dislocating his shoulder.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

Have you heard of practice. And Olgetree does not have any upside on Stanback unless you want to play the injury card.



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So he looked unstoppable in practice? Wow, now i see why your so high on him. Of course Ogletree has more upside think about it, in the 3 years that Stanback has been here, do you ever remember him having a game like Ogletree had lastnight. He's a jag who after 3 years in the league still doesn't challenge anyone for a roster spot besides the rookies that are coming in.